Weekly Question: Can relations between Turkey, Egypt and Israel be repaired in the wake of recent events?
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September 14, 2011
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Armand Kidouchim
2:55 pm
Sep 14, 2011
The importance is not to have ”RELATIONS” with countries that PRETEND to be your friends and become enemies all of the sudden.
Muslims can only be trusted when they will abandon their hatred of the INFIDEL and when their education system stops indoctrinating children in Islamism violence.
When Schools in Muslim countries start to teach TRUE history and value life. Then RELATIONS will be deemed possible and permanent.
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Gary Katz
5:30 pm
Sep 15, 2011
Well said, Armand! The very fact that, with all their non-Israel-related problems, an Egyptian mob chose to storm the embassy, is quite revealing. Why would such an action even occur to those Egyptians? They had nothing better to do? Who incited them? What did they hope to gain? Why are they angry at Israel for the deaths of the Egyptian guards, yet yawning at the terrorists who started the whole sequence of events? Muslims get much more riled up when Jews kill Muslims, versus Muslims killing Muslims (even if the latter involves casualties a hundred times greater than the former). I find it all very hypocritical, not to mention racist.
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Sushannah Rodgers
1:45 am
Sep 16, 2011
Good answer, but I can tell you from Scriptural prophecy that Israel’s enemies will surround and attack her in this end time. There can be no peaceful relations when only ONE country desires peace and her enemies desire her destruction! Israel has given away too much already in the name of “peace.” Her Arab neighbors have lied to her continually!
The problem is that the Koran itself teaches Muslims to kill the infidels, so if a person grows up in that culture, that’s what they believe. To a Muslim, we in America are considered to be “the Great Satan,” while Israel is “the Little Satan.”
Obama is helping the Muslims establish their Califate (united solidarity), so that an organized attack will be possible. As an American, it’s hard to believe we could elect someone like that. I believe that at least 90% of Americans now disagree with his policies, especially towards Israel.
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Phillip John McGibbony
2:56 pm
Sep 14, 2011
Can relations between Turkey, Egypt and Israel be repaired in the wake of recent events?
Answer: Only if the Lord God ordains it to be so.
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Steve Lipson
3:09 pm
Sep 14, 2011
Loss of Israeli support by the United States, real or just perceived, is emboldening Israel’s enemies to step forward and be hostile. True relations may not be repairable, but reluctance to be belligerent might be possible if the US steps forward and clarifies its support for and defense of Israel. Don’t hold your breath waiting for this under the current US Administration.
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mark johnson
3:18 pm
Sep 14, 2011
It can if they stop with the hate toward Israel’s stand for the right to be a nation.
It can if they stop believing that before 1967 there ever was a country called Palestine.
It can if Turkey and Egypt return to being civil and ignoring the Muslim Brotherhoods ideas of
killing all Jews.
It can if the Lord God helps them see truth rather than lies.
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Judaen resident
3:29 pm
Sep 14, 2011
They shouldn’t be repaired if that means we crawl to them and beg for friendship. Their aggression and arrogance will come back to haunt them. Israel, on the other hand, is encountering the opposition as a test and as a reminder to count on G-d, not men. We’ve seen that man is a poor support, as man/nations are very fickle. Israel does NOT need more fickle friends. We have the greatest support possible – the word of G-d – and the Torah says we’ll stand apart from the other nations. For those who don’t believe we have G-d and His promises, try to explain the history of Israel without G-d. How did we get here without Him? What is Israel without Him? We only exist through Him, and trying to go it without Him, seeking favor with the US or anyone else, is bound to fail. If we could just seek His will, our adversaries will melt away.
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andrew o'shea
3:31 pm
Sep 14, 2011
when one reads the Holy Scriptures the truth of Israel’s future is clearly written, unfortunately, that means no peace here, yet, God will destroy her enemies and deliver His people when, the people return to the Lord their God and repent of their sins and transgressions, behold we enter into the time of trumpets, atonement and tabernacles, come on Israel, return to the Lord your God and see what the Lord will do for you, remember Jeremiah 31, and God bless you all
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steve mann
3:48 pm
Sep 14, 2011
From your mouth to his ears!
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June Getraer
3:38 pm
Sep 14, 2011
Turkey has shown by its constant provocations that it has no wish to have any positive relationship with Israel. I believe that Israel has accepted this but is bound not only by its geographical situation but by the concerns of its major ally, the US. The US relationship with Turkey is also tenuous as Turkey has shown by its restrictions on US operations over its territory. Under the current Turkish leadership, the relationship beteen Turkey and Israel will not be repaired. (I did not say cannot!)
As to Egypt, the Egyptian people will have to overcome the false narrative of history regarding Israel which has been taught them under a “friendly” regime. Because of this and because of the many problems which face it as it tries to build a foundation to govern, it will be much easier to use Israel as a diversion rather than address the problems. The Egyptian military which is now in control probably feels that this is not the time to confront Israel and undoubtedly feels that any abrogation of its treaties with Israel would only result in their having to deal with yet another conflict. This one being external rather than internal. Should the military find such an external diversion an answer to the internal unemployment problen then a war with Israel could result. Two other factors to consider are the Egyptians’ relationship with Turkey and Egypt’s relationship with the US. I don’t think that Egypt sees itself as part of a califate and its funds from the US are contingint on a peace with Israel. The Egyptian relationship with Israel could be repaired.
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steve mann
3:57 pm
Sep 14, 2011
When is the world going to take its head out of the sand and come out of denial.
There is not an Islamic country that does not want to see Israel taken off the map in the Middle East.
They have no concern for the well being of the refugees-They are but a pawn in their quest.
If it had been Hindus, Christians or any other faith or non-faith The same course of events would have occurred.
As Hamas , Hizbllah and the other members of the Islamic brotherhood say “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavours. Palestine is an Islamic land”…..
So tell me how do you deal with that for they mean it!
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Adam
5:48 pm
Sep 14, 2011
“May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year” (Leshanah tovah tikateiv veteichateim)The error is Turkeys. They knew they were doing something wrong that they would be stopped. They initiated the violence. The Palestinians would use any opportunity to import weapons which they have shown recently as the Palestinians causing the problem are fostering hate within their society and world. The only way Palestinians can live where they are is to become part of Israel and be represented proportionally as a minority. When one goes against G-d they allow hate and evil and toxic attitudes to fill their life and society creating blindness and defiance to truth which Palestinians and Muslims are doing. Perhaps they can try Dr. Caroline Leafs work on The Gift In You and other works; you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink it. They should try principles of Jesus being in peace and love which he showed in true martyrdom. G-d is love. Shalom.
America and other things in world that people claim to be Satanic are graces given to mankind by God. Do not listen to propaganda to brainwash or by brainwashed persons conditioned by despotic totalitarian states and environs that condition to hate, whose idea of proportional representation is extortion or Jizya for protection and to live or practice normal form of religion in Christianity or Judaism as most obvious example but not including pagan religions or philosophies. Jizya a claimed tax taken in claimed humility by non-Muslims to practice their own religion and live under Muslim protection is an extortion or bribe. Any claim it is divine law is confusion and demented reasoning. Also radicals and others within Muslims claim Sharia law is divine while Constitutions are from human reasoning and law which is incorrect and it is the interpretation and application of those Constitutions allowing homosexuality, hedonism, Muslim which is hate and pagan, paganism, relativism, etc. which is done in western culture, which is what Muslims see as part of Constitution like others who are inconsistent with Constitutional jurisprudence and principles. The problem with this method of claimed law which is extortion is it will not stop at just one Muslim or group and whether you have paid someone already then others will come along and abuse persons and their position. It tends to create an environ where people will continue to stalk and swarm individuals, seen in other cultures in crime where once they see or have an opportunity they will continue to come and become violent if one resists. Jizya is actually a practice from pre Islamic culture found in every culture past and present to varying degrees including the way people raise or treat their children to varying degrees
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HEJ
6:49 pm
Sep 14, 2011
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LUIS FROM MEXICO
7:20 pm
Sep 14, 2011
HEJ…….Israel invaded palestine???……how can a non existant place like “palestine” can be invaded?…………palestinians are Jordanians who were expelled by King Hussein and they were allowed to stay in the west bank in camps for many years because no arab “brother” country allow them to move out of the camps. Do you know what “black september” is?…..well: the palestinians were surrounded by the jordanian army and they were forced to move north but Syria did not let them pass thru towards Lebanon; just when Hussein was going to massacre them at the Syrian border, guess who saved them letting them pass thru Israel to reach Lebanon………….yes!!!….Israel saved them!!!!……this is of curse a secret never told by the “palestinians”. Just to finish; you say Israel invaded “palestine”…..well, Israel just conquered what was their ancestral home long before the “palestinians” existed.
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Les Le Gear
6:51 pm
Sep 14, 2011
Not with muslim fanatics in charge. See iran for a prime example. Sorry to say that most muslims are like the Germans in the 30′s. Long time hatred and envy of Jews. And like the Germans, today’s muslims are inculcated with hatred of Jews by their religious and political leaders. Only a major reformation will change this, and I don’t see it coming anytime in our lifetimes.
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John W. Rosen.
5:04 pm
Sep 15, 2011
You have summed up the situation exactly. The hatred {envy} of the Jews, their accomplishments, their sheer will to succeed, and like in biblical times, the Jews, with HaShem’s divine intervention, have achieved great successes, against all odds. Israel, historically was given by HaShem to the Jewish People, lost twice because the Jewish People disobeyed HaShem’s commandments, and were banished to the 4 corners of the Earth. After 1900 years in the “wilderness”, through Herzl’s intense lobbying for a “homeland”, Britain, the colonial occupying power, reluctantly conceded to divide Palestine into 82% of the land east of the River Jordan, for the Muslim people in the Hasemite Kingdom of Jordan, and 18% of the land west of the River Jordan, for the eventual establishment of Israel. It took the loss of 1/3 of the Jewish People at the hands of Hitler, for the UN, America, Russia and a few others to agree to the establishment of ERETZ YISRAEL, Israel. No sooner had the Land Of Israel been established, the mighty armies of 5 surrounding Muslim states attacked Israel, with the sole purpose of “wiping Israel off the map”…A stated goal that 63 years and 5 wars later, is still their policy and philosophy. With HaShem’s blessings and Divine Intervention, Israel is still around, stronger, more eager, more willing to defend to the end. This irks the leaders of the Muslim states no end.They can not perceive how little Israel with an army of under 2 million soldiers can beat the mighty army of Islam, with 10 million soldiers, armed with the latest military hardware that their benefactors can produce and their enormous petro-dollars can obtain, and with Allah’s help, could be beaten by little Israel’s army. Of course, with HaShem’s help.
In 1948, the area called the West Bank, was overrun by the Jordanians, Gaza was overrun by Egypt, 1956 saw Egypt secure its hold on Sinai. But in 1967 Israel took the West Bank {JUDEA AND SUMARIA} and annexed the land back into greater Israel, Sinai and Gaza were also incorporated into Israel, as was the Golan Heights. Israel’s land expanded by about 250%. For “peace”, Israel returned the whole of Sinai to Egypt, Gaza to the Palestinians. What peace exists today with Egypt? and Gaza? They do not accept Israel’s right to exist as a home for Jews!!! Their intention is to annihilate Jews, steal Jewish land and property, and install their brand of Sharia law, under a worldwide Caliphate.
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LUIS FROM MEXICO
7:00 pm
Sep 14, 2011
One thing is the government of Egypt and Turkey and another is the people of those countries. The governments might want to have some kind of relationship with Israel to please the US and other few countries, but THE PEOPLE, the fanatic mob, hate Israel, hate jews, and hate everything non muslim and there is no way to stop them from doing idiotic things like what they did at the israeli embbasy in Cairo. Unfortunally we are now seeing more power on the people than on the governments and it is clear that in arab countries a strong hand is necesary to control the masses because that is the only form of ruling they know and they obey…..democracy in those countries???…..NO WAY!!!!!
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Steven B
9:06 pm
Sep 14, 2011
It is highly unlikely they will be repaired in the near to medium term. Under Mubarak, whilst the peace treaty was maintained, the underlying rabid anti-semitism that infected Nasserite Egypt was allowed to fester. It often surfaced even during the Mubarak regime, but he kept a lid on it. Now all bets are off, and unless a new dictator arises who finds it in his self-interest to restore relations with Israel by supressing the will of his people, there is no prospect of a relationship between Israel and Egypt. All the ills of Egypt will be blamed on Israel and the Jews, and it is almost futile to try stem the tide. Better for the USA to cease their military aid to Egypt and for Israel to tighten its border. That’s not to say that Egypt wants or is ready for another war with Israel (such old-fashioned wars are anyway pretty infra-dig), but they will no doubt allow a low level, Hezbollah type war to emanate from the Sinai with Hamas playing the lead role, giving Egypt plausible deniability.
In Turkey, the shift is even more profound. Attaturk’s secular revolution has effectively run its course and save for a few suburbs of Istanbul, Turkey is already an Islamic state. Erdogan cleverly used the EU’s demands for civilian control of the army as a way to neuter the generals, and now he will have no more use for EU, and certainly no use for Israel other than as a way to burnish his credentials.
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anthony W
10:01 pm
Sep 14, 2011
Egypt: Maybe. Turkey: Not for the forseeable future. Anyway, Israel can now have a close relationship with Greece. Improve its relations with both Bulgaria and Roumania. Support the Kurds, Armenians and Georgians and no longer keep quiet about the Turkish occupation of Northern Cypress. Israel’s future is not with the moslem states but with Europe.
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Robman
1:52 am
Sep 16, 2011
Egypt is a complete mess. Tourism was 20% of their economy before overthrowing Mubarak; now, tourism is gone. They are broke and starving. They had problems before the revolution, and now their problems are much worse. Of course, they blame the Jews. Blaming the Jews is their only solution. Sound familiar? I don’t see improvement here anytime soon. The generals there know they need peace with Israel, and know they cannot fight a war with her. But the Moslem Brotherhood there might force them into a war.
Turkey isn’t broke and isn’t starving, but their leader is an Islamist Jew hater. He thinks through his bellicose behavior, he can re-establish Turkish hegemony over the Middle East, like in the Ottmoman times. His anti-Semitism – along with conciliatory Israeli behavior up to now – has him convinced that Jews are weak and won’t fight back. He pushes Israel too far, he’s going to get a very rude awakening. Unditl Edrogan and his Islamist AKP party is out of power, things are only going to get worse.
None of this would be happening if it weren’t for the Moslem-Appeaser-In-Chief sitting in the Oval Office right now. His incredibly inept leadership has emboldened the worst elements in the region. If war breaks out, this observer will call it “Obama’s War”; he bears more responsibility for the sorry state of affairs than any other single individual.
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steve mann
4:19 pm
Sep 16, 2011
Israel and Turkey had god relations- Israeli`s had numerous holidays in Turkey -
Then the secular PM was ousted – Erdegon is of a different making- something like Abbas- Two Faces. Now due to this “Arab Spring” situation he shows his true face.
If the secular military leaders have their way-which now seems unlikely – They would oust him.
Egypt – Well lets face it te Peace treaty’s with both Egypt and Jordan were and are only as good a the leadership of these countries allow them to be- The people have this religious ideology of any one oher than an Islamist ruling any part of the ME is the infidel to be dealt with.
No I am not an alarmist, just a realist whos head is firmly out of the sand.
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Yael Pedhatzur
7:14 am
Sep 17, 2011
Israel & Turkey’s relationship can only be altered if the international community decides to choose honesty & decency over expediency and easy fixes. As long as most of the World chooses to make Israel a pariah state, pretending that Israel & only Israel is the problem then nothign will change. Frankly, as unpleasant as it is now, I would rather relations with Turkey stay as is. I also hope all Israelis (and israel supporters), remain firm in boycotting Turkey & its products. I also hope & pray the the US & EU decide to back Israel & not the neighborhood bully – Erdogan.
FREE KURDISTAN – REMEMBER 1.5 MILLION ARMENIANS!!!!!!!!
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Beverly Kurtin
11:58 pm
Oct 01, 2011
Sad to say, but hell no. The Egyptians have hated the peace treaty since it was signed; the Turks have to apologize to Israel for permitting the ships to sail from Turkish ports when they KNEW ahead of time what was going to happen. Obama can go to hell for even suggesting that Israel apologize to Turkey. The world is nuts; they still do not recognize Who is protecting Israel. Because of Obama’s attempts at telling Israel what to do, I will not vote for him again unless he gets his garbage in order.
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