Weekly Question: Can the Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty survive the calls for change in Egypt?
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January 31, 2011
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fred1369
9:12 pm
Jan 31, 2011
Not a chance in Gehenna.
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Howard Brown
10:35 pm
Jan 31, 2011
There is no established structure to inherit ruling power other than the current ruling elite or the Muslim Brotherhood. If Suleiman can move into power with the current elite, then gradually develop a viable political structure, then continued peace is possible. The alternative is radical Islam next door to Israel and inevitable conflict. I don’t believe there are any other options
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Gary Leibl
10:48 pm
Jan 31, 2011
God help us if the Muslim Brotherhood takes over Egypt. The peace treaty with Israel will be dead and Egypt will align itself with Iran. Shariah law will also be implemented. If I were a Christian living in Egypt, I would be looking for the first plane out of there.
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Joy Wolfe
11:53 pm
Jan 31, 2011
I very much fear that this is a no win situation whatever happens
the peace was fragile at best to start with and I do not believe it can survive this upheaval
I cannot understand why the world doesn’t wake up and look around the current unrest in the Middle East and realise that Israel is the one stabilising factor.
Everyone has been so busy deomonising and deligitimising Israel that it has failed to see all the elephants in the room
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Barry Lubotta
1:13 am
Feb 01, 2011
I sometimes visit websites that are, shall we say, less than friendly to Israel. What I am reading is that the Egyptian man on the street is not only upset with its leader, but even more so with the USA who supplied the bullets that have kept the people in line for so many years. These bullets are being fired at Egyptians right now, during this crisis, and each one reads “made in USA”.
And why has the USA kept Mubarak in power for so long? Why of course, it was to protect Israel. So after the anger directed towards Mubarak and the USA is spent, where do you think the average Egyptian will be directing his anger?
In other words, this entire government was propped up for 30 years in order to help Israel, at least that is the common belief. In light of that, do YOU think the peace will hold?
The answer to that won’t be known for a while, because the military, which operates with some independence from the government, may be hesitant to give up its annual two billion from the US. Still that doesn’t mean they will hate Israel less.
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Peter
2:28 am
Feb 01, 2011
All the uprisings take place in poor arab countries without oil. all thry want now is economical improvement. It cannot happen. They are not competitive. The oil rich countries all have Muslim fundamentalist in charge. They will definitely use the economical despair of the uprisers by providing ‘economic help’ for a price.The poor are easily persuaded by ‘free’ money. No ‘arab democratic’ movement can resist masses oiled by oil money, and Jews around the world, and Israel firstly will find themselves in a much worst situation. The question is how can we help ourselves, because Western democracy cannot go against the ‘will of the masses’
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John Brooks
2:46 am
Feb 01, 2011
Your joking right? With the radical Islamist Brotherhood? Not a chance.
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Lukas
5:33 am
Feb 01, 2011
Turkish relationship to Israel changed not because of a “conflict” with “free palestine” and “peace activists”, but vice versa – Turkish government created the provocation and wants to harm good relationship with Israel because of views of Turkish president. The same may occur with Egypt, when Mubarak will changed by other populist/muslim extremist like Turkish president Edrogan.
The roits in Egypt put on danger the peace with Israel.
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Dotcoman
6:40 am
Feb 01, 2011
When it comes to Barrack Obama; always assume the absolute worst then and only then will everything that man does begin to make perfect sense.
There are no coincidences. Obama (like his mother and father and his father before him) flat out hates and dispises the United States and wants to do her harm. He desperately wants to punish and destroy her for what he believes is her Colonial past. And by extension. he wants to do harm to all allies and friends of the United States. He is a Marxist and a Muslim just like his step father and father and grandfather. He worships at a church ran by a former Nation of Islam member who preaches Black Liberation theology and hatred of Jews and Israel.
President Obama helped to engineer these popular uprisings and overthrowing of pro-western power in the middle east. He did this not because he is some sort of starry-eyed humanitarian idealist like Jimmy Carter, but rather because he is Muslim and hates the United States and Israel.
And he does not care one wit the effect it will have on our economy or the price of oil, remember his goal is to destroy the US.
Look at how he treats our friends and look at how he bows and scrapes to curry favor with our enemies. He treats the Dalli Lama like kitchen staff and Benjamin Netanyahu just look at the horrible and most disrespectful manor he treated him to.
And remember that then Senator Obama sent his henchmen and minions to negotiate with Hamas and Hezbollah and other terror groups like Columbia’s FARC ahead of the ’08 presidential election. Did he send his minions to meet with Netanyahu, nope he sent them to meet with the worst of the worst to gain their support for his presidential bid.
When Egypt falls, it will be Obama’s gift and payback to the Muslim Brotherhood for supporting his campaign in ’08. After all they brought him and Bought him, and now is his time to deliver.
It would also do to remember that Obama had a wealthy Arab benefactor looking out for him even back in his college days. Who got him into Columbia why don’t any professors or alumni remember him ever being there? Who paid his way into Harvard Law? Back in those days he was associated with just as many radical Muslims as he was with radical Communist-Socialist revolutionaries, which is to say an awful lot. Why is that?
With Obama in the White House, Israel should be very, very afraid. He is more dangerous to Israel, than the Iranians and their pursuit of the Bomb.
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UnmitigatedTruth
7:29 am
Feb 01, 2011
I see the hand of the Muslim Brotherhood behind these “demonstrations”. More than likely they will prevail, which means the end of the treaty between the countries.
I have elaborated on my thinking at: http://www.unmitigated-truth.com/2011/01/you-reap-what-you-sow.html
Of course we all know that it’s Obama’s fault.
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Gary Katz
7:59 am
Feb 01, 2011
A change in leadership in Egypt should not change the 1979 treaty any more than a change in leadership in Israel should. Of course, if some new Egyptian government should decide to rip up the agreement, I’m sure they’ll be willing to return the Sinai back to Israel, since the Sinai was the currency Israel paid for peace.
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wayne rice
8:06 am
Feb 01, 2011
Islam is the problem for all civilized people, Jews, Christians, Hindu’s and all other people. Muslims support terrorist’s. They are the world’s Nazi’s. Lets quit playing with these baby killers and destroy them. The sooner they get to allah the better.
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robert donaldson new zealand
8:09 am
Feb 01, 2011
The days are closing like a vice upon Gods chosen people, however we need not worry as these things must come to pass.
This egyptian uprising is just the begining of a nasty end to the lost unbelieveing peoples of this world, who have denied Jesus Christ, Gods Son.
Ezekiel 38
Prophecy about Gog and Future Invasion of Israel
18″It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” declares the Lord GOD, “that My fury will mount up in My anger.
19″In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. ………………….(israel is currently being asked to prepare for this earthquake)……………….
Ezekial 39
11″On that day I will give Gog a burial ground there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea, and it will block off those who would pass by. So they will bury Gog there with all his horde, and they will call it the valley of Hamon-gog.
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angelo
8:47 am
Feb 01, 2011
Definitely Not if the islamists take power in Cairo. And, oh…just remember that El-Baradei may not be he himself an islamist but should he take power Israel will be in big troubles (to start with) and then Europe , too. But here comes the big question: are we sure that Egyptian took the street for freedom, bread and liberty? How could they ask that if they never experienced the Illluminist revolution of the 18th which took place in Europe and through which we europeans, today, think we are better off than any other population of the Planet. And why was it that since, at least 2008 the USA were trying (seemingly without success) to get rid of an ailed man?
What is really happening behind the scenes that we are not informed about? Could it be the desidere of the USA to a rapprochement with Iran????….uestions, speculations, cal them as you like…BUT should Mubarak be toppled by an islamic regime….well GOD whosoever He might be …help us
Angelo
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Yael Pedhatzur
8:57 am
Feb 01, 2011
The current situation with Egypt is based only on Mubarrak, as are all agreements in the “peace” process. They are all Ruler to government pacts. There can be no real peace unless it is a peace that the people want & belive in. (that goes for israel too.)
Hopefully the Egyptian population has matured enough to demand democracy and once it comes they should be busy with taking care of their economy, social services etc. It should leave them little time & budget to go to war with Israel.
The Peace Paradigm has always been more wishful thinking than solid reality, so we should not deny the egyptian people a chance for a better life. We can deal with the impact as we get to each juncture, and hopefully prepare for different scenarios.
However, that being said, we cannot ignore what happened in Iran. Demcracy does not always manifest itself as we want. so it it incumbent upon us to start working on the dissident groups in Egypt and develop a better understanding of who is on their way up.
Life in the Middle East is always a challenge, this will jsut be another one. Let us also consider tha Syria & Jordan will see the next popular risings to depose single man rule. WE should be prepared, not fight it, but learn how to deal with it.
My biggest worry is that we in Israel have no political leadership capable of dealing with such complex issues, and we are unfortunately always thinking within the safe confines of the envelope and are unable to look beyond.
Not to be naive , but this could be an opportunity.
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Tim N
10:58 am
Feb 01, 2011
Yael, yes ideed, an opportunity to turn to Yeshua el Massicah?
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John Whitbread
1:10 pm
Feb 01, 2011
If the cycle of the Middle East shows anything it is that when a people dream of peace when their neighbour wants war they get war. Those who want war when their neighbour wants peace they get war.
We can speak of peace and mean it from our hearts but it is impossible to achieve peace with those who’s path was set so long ago by the blind hatred that drives them. Reasonable people want to live and to be free and to see that their neighbour shares these simple desires. But how long will these debates go on about the chances of real peace with any of the states surrounding Israel. Decade upon decade they say to the world peace when there is no peace. Decade upon decade their leaders declare their vision and determination to see Israel disappear.
As weary of the bloodshed as the citizens of this democracy are Israel must never yield.
If a change of government in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey could lead to open friendship tomorrow it would not last. There is more to this than political and social analysis and debate. The greatest resolution in the history of human existence is at stake and Israel and Jerusalem are at the centre of it.
Let us pray for the peace of Jerusalem as never before. Let us search the books of the prophets as never before. May we all call upon the Messiah of Israel as never before and may the G-d of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob bless Israel amen.
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orbitar
5:01 am
Feb 02, 2011
I read all the inputs and found them not only faulty but mostly naïve. They were typical as an example showing people who because of trees could not see the forest.
The REAL PRICE for the winner of this serious game lasting for centuries has never been either tiny Israel or poor and overpopulated Egypt. The game goes much further and much wider as the players go after the real price that is OIL RICH SAUDI ARABIA as well as the routes it is taken to customers (Suez canal and Straits of Hormuz). The game players used to be the British who for a while were ahead of the game. Then both Russian Czars and later the Soviet Union tried their luck but with much less success. Then skillful USA businesses took over and so far, they are still running the show. However, their enemies would not let them keep the price for long. They attack them from all sides under dozens of excuses; from being accused of immoral capitalist exploitation to holding on to a wrong religion. Masses of indoctrinated people are brainwashed to hate the wrong enemy – just to keep them in line and supply all sides with willing soldiers, suicide bombers and trained terrorists. One of the players is Persian (non-Arab) Iran keeping a jealous eye on the high price. If to achieve that goal takes to establish WORLDWIDE ISLAMIC CALIPHATE (by either Sunnis or Shiites) to take over Saudi, Kuwaiti, and Iraqi oil fields, so be it.
What we can see in our media is just tools how to handle people born into the area on a short leash. They cloud the issue with their present demands, as they have nothing substantial to contribute to this focused power gambit. Jews who happened to live there do not participate in this game either. All they want is a little tiny piece of land inherited from their ancestors that makes about 1/1000 of the Arab lands surrounding them. All they want is to live in peace but they are not getting it. However, they are used as convenient scapegoats and as a masking diversion to the real image of the actual game players. Both original Christians (Copts) and Jews who lived there much longer than the oil power game started are the last victims of the power hungry vicious new candidates for power.
One of the solutions is to invent and quickly distribute all over the world an efficient source of cheap energy as an alternative to Middle East oil. Israel might come with such a solution soon. However, that might make the game players unhappy as it changes the rules of the game. So far the old game continues and if not restrained, it might end up in either local wars or, if superpowers get involved, in a global one that might be called W.W. III. .
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Tim N
11:25 am
Feb 02, 2011
A lengthy posting… but the Truth is shorter
Israel will survive with the help of praying Goyim
Satan wil be defeated by Yeshua el Mashiach
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Celina
8:18 pm
Feb 01, 2011
El Baradei was sent to investigate the possibility of the Iranians developing nuclear weaponry by the US. he came back with the reply that they were not a threat.
Since that time he has apparently been in contact with the Iranian government…. sorry, but He does not appear to be trustworthy.
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Gary Katz
6:26 am
Feb 02, 2011
Orbitar, the way oil is priced on the commodities markets keeps the price artificially propped up beyond anything OPEC ever could have imagined. If the radicals ever take over the oil fields, they won’t have to lift a finger to extort extra billions for the oil; the panicked markets will do it for them.
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Phyllis
7:25 am
Feb 02, 2011
Like the saying from “Fiddler on the Roof” We are the Chosen People. Dear G-d can’t you choose someone else!
The Israels have suffered enough with all the wars and the loss of young, productive lives.
The Jews are in a worse postion in Europe today than since Hitler’s time.
If Egyptians want democracy, that would be great but who is their leader? Will the wrong element take control? Can Israel survive losing itd southern border?
Did overthrowing Sadam Hussein really help Iraq and the West or did it create a power vacuum that led to a strong Iran?
Can the Iranian people get their courage back and hit the streets again?
Stay tuned folks. Indeed we live in interesting times.,
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