In an article in today’s New York Times about fleeing Gazans who were shipwrecked, Jim Yardley wrote:
“ And now a growing number of Palestinians have been fleeing Gaza following Israel’s summertime war with Hamas. Escaping from Gaza meant crawling through smuggling tunnels and then sprinting across the desert.”
This was my response:
Perhaps it would be more accurate to refer to “Hamas’s summertime was with Israel,” as Hamas initiated the war with Israel by first murdering 3 teenage boys, and following that up with the firing of thousands of rockets into Israel, and then 11 times refusing ceasefires which would have ended the hostilities. Mr. Yardley also refers to the tunnels as “smuggling tunnels,” when it is now common knowledge that these tunnels were dug deliberately to penetrate Israel with the purpose of killing as many civilians as possible.
The reality is that people are fleeing Gaza because of the destruction Hamas has inflicted on their own people.
The twisting of facts results in a twisted truth – which is to say, not a truth at all.
I really enjoy reading your IDNS reports and look forward to receiving them every day. However, I have not received one since last Wednesday 8 October 2014. I presume they have been published since then. This has happened in the past – where my subscription to the service has “dropped off”. Or, am I just being a bit premature? If not, is there some way of ensuring that this subscription remain current?
Dear BDS and friends and supporters:
I am writing to you to ask you to consider a tactical change. The issue you deal with is fraught with such strong emotion I will not attempt to prove you right or wrong. There are many who believe your motivations are intrinsically anti-Semitic cloaked in disguise but I will not judge your motives for these are not my issues. I wish to engage you in a discussion of peace. If peace is not your object or if peace to you means the total destruction of Israel you need read no further.
I am asking you broaden your work to encourage both sides to work for peace. I have talked to Israelis, read their opinions and talked to their supporters. They truly believe that the Palestinian side and their supporters seek the total destruction of Israel and the genocidal killing of all Jews in the Middle East if not worldwide. Once you understand that that is the majority view you should understand that you cannot force a people to accept a plan that they believe is suicide. You can weaken and corner and isolate them but you should expect that will only make them more desperate and cause them to lose all restraint in attacking the Palestinian population. You are in fact encouraging creation of a state of affairs that may lead to a true genocide of Palestinians, as Israelis are forced to kill them, as the only means of their own survival.
I ask the rhetorical question; what is the answer. The answer is simple. It starts with the fact that 20% of the Israeli population is Palestinian. They have voting rights. If they vote in an equal percentage to their Jewish countrymen a Jewish Peace candidate only needs 41% of the Jewish vote. Therefore you must convince less than half of the Jews in Israel that peace is possible. This convincing is not served by BDS which merely hardens the opposition, hardens the conviction that they must do everything possible to win the inevitable next war which includes holding as much territory as possible, not trusting Palestinians, and preventing development in Palestinian areas that might strengthen the Palestinian’ offensive capability. You cannot convince Israelis to vote for peace that is only a step toward Israel’s destruction. College students can not do this, The UN cannot do this. Professors and philosophers cannot do this. Only the Palestinians can do this by convincing the 41% that a permanent peace is possible, not just a pause to get ready for the next war. .
I am asking you to work with the Palestinians, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority and the population of Gaza, Samaria and Judea, called the West Bank since Jordanian occupation days.
They need to offer a proposal that must give up the “right of return” in place of other compensation. No matter how just you or they consider this demand it would result in the total destruction of Israel. If they and you insist on this all further effort is fruitless because you are asking to a state to commit suicide. The refusal of the PA to recognize a Jewish State is like Israel refusing to recognize a Palestinian one. The validity of how a state defines itself is debatable but ultimately every state defines itself. France cannot determine who is a German Citizen. Palestinians can not define whether Israel gives preference to those Israel deems Jews.
Second there must be in place a guarantee that Israel will not be attacked from Gaza or the East. You must understand that the Israeli perception is that every war since 1947 was designed to destroy Israel and was a fight for survival. Jewish history, going back to the time of the Persian Empire, has conditioned Jews to believe that nations are out to destroy them, not live next to them. Threatening, boycotting and divesting may do your ego good but it can lead to only a bitter confrontation. It matters not if others feel this fear of annihilation is not justified. It is part of the Israeli psyche. It is part of the Jewish psyche, it is the Jewish history, and no agreement that allows for Israel’s destruction will be possible. The only need Palestinians have for offensive weapons is for a war with Israel, so a agreement could allow for an unarmed Palestinian state for at least 60 years. The UN could guarantee Palestinian integrity or other provisions could be written into an agreement. Lastly there would have to be a popular vote for a government in Palestine that would abide by these agreements.
Until you begin to work with encouraging peace on both sides of the border you can continue to pat yourselves on the back, collect money and pledges as you push the area ever closer to the next ever more violent war OR you can work with both sides, understanding that human beings are on both sides of lines in the Middle East and both sides have fears, aspirations, children at risk, and hopes for a better life.
I sign with little hope but a prayer that Peace and Justice for all is your goal.
P.S. A survey poll or populations in Israel, Palestinian territories and Gaza asking what Maximum and what minimum size of Israel could you accept while giving up the right of return for other compensation.
Offer maps that they can draw on. The fear of Israelis is the Palestinian map would have no Israel or one impossible to defend.
In US this is a good link: fcc.gov/complaint please add to your list of links for resources so those in US can file complaints to the government for cable news media bias and incorrect reporting, etc. Go to link to see more. Also I’d like to see you evolve to fund-raising arm specifically to combat the bias, and lies by using a team of attorney’s to pursue the legal routes in each country. How can we make this happen? Can you start something (another department) and head up a targeting funding campaign? I think this type of campaign could easily become quickly successful at a time like this. What do you think? Give it some thought…maybe try it out for consideration….pilot program. I envision law suits against media outlets and damages, maybe cooperation with Israeli government too. Partnerships with Jewish organizations…I think the prospect of actually getting some results and inflicting legal and financial damage will be compelling, exciting, and inspiring and would find many interested in united together for this type of advocacy/action.
You are to be commended for the important work you’re doing (and yes, I have made a modest contribution towards your support).
I have a suggestion: In addition to pointing out journalistic abuses, you should recognize and encourage specific acts of journalistic integrity and initiative (you may already be doing this, but I’ve noticed only the exposes). I would hand out honorary “Alan Eisner Awards”, Eisner being the reporter who had the temerity to ask a State-Department spokeswoman “How many ‘acts of genocide’ does it take to make a genocide?”
It could go to people who ask uncomfortable and useful questions like:
“What evidence is there, exactly, that Abbas is a ‘Moderate’”?” “What, in fact, does it mean to be a ‘moderate’ Palestinian leader?” “What could Abbas do that would convince you that he is not a ‘moderate’?”
“Why does a Palestinian state need to be a specific size to be ‘viable’?”
“Why does it need to be contiguous?”
“Is there any indication that the Palestinians would agree that their state be demilitarized?”
“If you think the ’67 border separates historically Jewish and Palestinian areas, are you prepared to explain the relevant history?”
“If the ’67 borders are a matter of Palestinian pride, over what demand would you say that they simply have to swallow their pride. Why that point and not some other?”
There are, of course, many similar questions that interviewees beg, but I rarely hear any of them asked.
A response from BBC using semantics
Thank you for contacting us.
We understand you were concerned that Orla Guerin said that there is “no evidence” that Hamas is using human shields.
The use of human shields is described as follows in Article 28 of the Fourth Geneva Convention:
“Under the Statute of the International Criminal Court, “utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts”
During her report Orla Guerin was making the point that there has been no explicit or objective evidence of Palestinian militants actively coercing or encouraging civilians to occupy buildings in order to deter the IDF from carrying out military operations. The allegation that Hamas uses human shields differs from other allegations made against them and other militant groups, namely that militants have put Palestinian civilian lives at risk by operating from residential areas, as well as launching rockets near schools and hospitals. We have reflected these allegations extensively throughout our coverage and during the aforementioned report Orla Guerin explained that:
“During this conflict Palestinian militants have kept a low profile, avoiding the cameras, but we know that at times they have operated from civilian areas.”
The report went on to show an area of ground used by Hamas to launch rockets. It was clearly shown that the site was in very close proximity to apartments inhabited by civilians. The same piece went on to show footage from Indian television, purportedly showing Hamas firing from a residential area near the hotel where the Indian crew were staying.
We believe we’ve reported on the recent violence as it has developed in an accurate and duly impartial manner. We believe this has given viewers and listeners the opportunity to make up their own minds on the issues at hand.
Thank you again for contacting us, we value your feedback. All complaints are sent to senior management and our news teams every morning and we included your points in this overnight report. These reports are among the most widely read sources of feedback in the BBC and ensures that your complaint has been seen by the right people quickly. This helps inform their decisions about current and future programmes.
I am not alone facing the “but what can I do” question.
Finding myself argued out and tired of responding with a list of Nobel Prizes a window of opportunity opened in the Honest Reporting report of the Melanie Phillips presentation.
I sent out “r’s challenge” (included below) but a bit of backstory:
I live in southern Mexico in the town of Puerto Escondido. The population is inclusive of indigenous Mexicans and international ex patriots.
There is an over abundance of anti Israel sentiment amongst the ex pats that they propagate.
I don’t know if you have noticed but a lot has gone on in the world since we last were together.
as we have discussed and re discussed, the various media’s propagate their point of view and in so doing will not let facts get in the way of positions.
America is in war with itself
Denis Miller caught me with his statement.
There are two groups of people.
“One believes in global warming, the other believes in Islamic terrorism”
As you know, I have a dog in the fight relative to Israel and the international rise in anti Semitism with a particular eye on media involvement.
I have kept my comments close to myself and you have done so also for which you get a thumbs up.
The Puerto community has not. I don’t look at Face Book and my wife has stopped showing me the comments of some of our ex pat “friends” because they upset me so much
so r’s challenge
there is a one hour speech by a BBC correspondent that I would like people to watch. I don’t ask them to agree or discuss but just watch.
There are those here in the ex pat community that 100 pesos (about $9.50 USD) is important to. I am going offer them that to watch it.
There are many who I would like to watch it that would not be motivated to do so by 100 pesos so here is r’s challenge.
I ask them to take one hour of their time and watch the video.
They notify me that they have done so and provide me with the name of someone in Puerto Escondido.
I will give that person 100 pesos
in other words, will you give one hour of your time to help someone in Puerto
scroll down to the video in the link
The Israeli architect Eyal Weitzman presented his views in a report on Al Jazeera last night based on an architectural perspective of Israeli activities in Yehuda and Shomron. The bias against Israel is reflected in two aspects of the report.
1.The report explained how the location of settlements together with roads and fences serve as instruments of occupation, but never mentioned the fact that they play a vital role in protecting settlers from the ever-present threat of terrorism.
2. In describing the strategies used by the IDF to root out terrorism in Jenin in the Homat Magen operation the report explained how the IDF would break doorways through houses to avoid risking the lives of soldiers in the alley-ways of Jenin. But instead of explaining that Homat Magen was a response to massive waves of terrorism against Israelis, he said nothing about the terrorism that the IDF was responding to and described the operation as an “invasion”.
It appears that BBC is investigating Orla Guerins story
We have a live poll regarding returning Jihadis right now at http://tinyurl.com/qfdorej .
The article seriously misquotes the Likud charter
Please provide a method of communication other than Facebook which I do not like using
Please see article today in Huffpost:
Elizabeth Warren Defends Israeli Shelling of Gaza Schools, Hospitals
Ryan Grim 08/28/2014
im looking for speakers for the north american students at hebrew u tau and idc
Make no mistake, I admire and subscribe wholeheartedly to the mission of HonestReporting, yet I fear that it reaches – or least influences- only those who are Jews or friends of Jews and by extension, Israel. If I am right, and I pray I am not, our enemies are more apt to be influenced, if not 180 degrees dissuaded, by the only language they speak – force of arms. Only then will they speak to us in the language of peace.
Come what may, more power to you and am Yisroel chai!
You might be interested to know that a large supermarket in London removed all its kosher products. See link:http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anger-sainsburys-tesco-remove-kosher-food-aisles-amid-anti-israel-protests-1461556
Please advise regarding the source and originators of honestreporting.org
Meant to attach the website below
CBC radio distorts the events in Gaza by “smart litlte tricks” . Below is my letter to CBC radio of August 8 (no rely has been received): Today, when translating the news from Gaza conflict, your anchor, and then the correspondent from Jerusalem, used formulations that created an impression that it was Israeli military who broke the ceasefire, whereas it is well known (look at any sources, including BBC) that it was Hamas that not only broke the ceasefire, but violated it many hours before it was officially ended.
Another distortion: you said in your translation that casualties in Gaza are predominantly civilians, whereas it is already well known, and even admitted by the UN observers, that the majority of casualties are most likely – Hamas fighters. see, for instance
The BBC’s head of statistics Anthony Reuben, asks:
“If the Israeli attacks have been ‘indiscriminate,’ as the UN Human Rights Council says, it is hard to work out why they have killed so many more civilian men than women…In conclusion, we do not yet know for sure how many of the dead in Gaza are civilians and how many were fighters. This is in no sense the fault of the UN employees collecting the figures – their statistics are accompanied by caveats and described as preliminary and subject to to revision.
But it does mean that some of the conclusions being drawn from them may be premature.”
The New York Times did their own analysis.
The NY Times analysis, looking at 1,431 names, shows that the population most likely to be militants, men ages 20 to 29, is also the most overrepresented in the death toll.
Just one of the problems cites by the Times is that:
“Human rights groups acknowledge that people killed by Hamas as collaborators and people who died naturally, or perhaps through domestic violence, are most likely counted as well.”
I just quoted these two sources as examples; there are many others, I find it hard to believe that CBC broadcasters don’t know about that.
Now the last question: Why do you say “Hamas militants” instead of “Hamas terrorists”. Hamas is on the Canadian list of terrorist organizations, so its members are terrorists. Also, it is well known, and even CBC talks about it, that Hamas targets civilians, so they are terrorists in essence, so why do you not call them terrorists?
I expect your apology to your audience with corrections and explanations.
A copy of this letter will be sent to media watch and to the office of Prime-Minister.
If you are putting up Hannnan Ashrawi for an Aunt Sally – do it properly. In Nov or early Dec 2000 as the 2nd Intifada was taking off she was cornered on BBC Newsnight as to why the Palestinians rejected the Peel Report which suggested partition and the Arabs were to get the Negev as well unlike UN181 giving it to Israel. Well she with an admittedly straight face simply said “The rejection of Peel was a mistake.” At which the anchor of the evening had to restart the conversation with an entirely fresh point. Find and lift and circulate as a clip that interchange.
The ANONYMOUS host of the today’s piece about “How journalists should report”
(containing a video of Hannan Ashrawi on CNN and of Sean Hannity on Fox) spoils
the entire show by being too full of himself and condescending to Hannity (scolding
Hannity for being a conservative). The ANONYMOUS host takes half of the entire
screen for his own image and keeps his voice much louder than the videos he presents,
as if he was the most important here. Well, he is not. The Honest Reporting message is,
or rather, should be. In fact, his presentation abilities cannot be compared to Hannity,
of course. He also is too slow and verbose in his own commenting. In short, a full of himself
amateur. Honest Reporting is too important to waste our time on incompetence.
John Prescott’s distorted and biased opinion column (July 26, 2014 Mirror-UK) concerning the Gaza situation is a travesty of journalistic integrity. This is how I answered his outrageous distortions and biases:
“The military action supposedly targeting Hamas is so brutally disproportionate and so grossly indiscriminate…” Would Mr. Prescott feel better if Hamas equalized the death toll by having better-aimed rockets targeting innocent Tel Aviv and Jerusalem women and children? How indiscriminate is it when Israel warns residents to vacate targets they plan to bomb, a humanitarian gesture NO OTHER COUNTRY would make, certainly not Hamas toward their intended Israeli targets!
“…an Israeli economic blockade has forced Palestinians into poverty.” According to the International Monetary Fund, the Gaza economy grew 20 percent in 2011, and the per capita gross domestic product increased by 19 percent. In 2012, 250 trucks a day transported goods from Israel to Gaza. Since 2010, NIS 75 million have been invested in upgrading and expanding roads to be capable of handling 450 trucks a day. The well-stocked huge shopping mall in Gaza City also belies Mr. Prescott’s “misinformation” about the economic condition of the Gaza Palestinians. If there are pockets of poverty in Gaza the Palestinians have themselves to thank for that. When Israel left Gush Katif and other settlements in Gaza they turned over to the Gaza authorities their factories and farms and greenhouses, which the Palestinians, in their bitter hatred for Israel, promptly destroyed and denied to themselves jobs and a free boost to their economy.
“… the concentration camp that is Gaza.” CONCENTRATION CAMP? Until greatly increased Hamas rocket attacks on peaceful Israeli civilians, Israel provided Gaza with its cement for housing construction (which Hamas diverted away from their own people in order to build their smuggling and attack tunnels), provided Gaza with electricity, provided Gaza with water, provided Gaza Palestinians with jobs in Israel. All of this by Israel, and more, helped create a growing economy in Gaza. And all Israel asked for in return was a cessation of Hamas rocket attacks and a Hamas recognition of Israel’s right to exist, requests that Hamas has angrily refused again and again.
“When Israel is blasting hospitals and even UN schools acting as shelters…” Israeli troop reports and satellite pictures and U.N. on-the-ground observation have proven that Hamas is using hospitals, UN schools, mosques, and civilian homes as military installations and weapons storage depots, all of these being legitimate military targets for Israeli attacks. Again, Hamas uses these civilian installations to shield their military activities without regard to the danger they are creating for their own people at these locations.
“…where exactly is it safe to flee to?” With Israel giving fair warning, as they have been doing, occupants and residents need only clear an area around the known target, perhaps just a few hundred meters from that ground zero. They are not “hemmed in…with no means of escape.” They have the ability to be safe anywhere in Gaza from Israel’s pinpoint bombing attacks. The problem is that Hamas prevents them from leaving the target areas, a monstrous action that has been documented again and again.
“Israel’s attacks will not solve this dispute. They will just create another generation of hate-filled Palestinians determined to fight against the injustice of being occupied.” The Palestinian educational system that vilifies Israel, teaches children to glorify the suicide bombing of buses carrying innocent Israeli children and other civilians, that uses children’s TV to reinforce hatred of Israel and all Jews – this is what is helping to create another generation of hate-filled Palestinians.
“The lack of a two-state solution is a running sore…” A two state solution will never happen as long as the PA and Hamas each refuse to expunge from their charters their claims to the entire territory of the State of Israel and the destruction of its Jewish inhabitants. A two state solution will never happen as long as the PA and Hamas each refuse to publicly and officially recognize Israel’s right to exist.
John Prescott’s bias in his diatribe against Israel is clear from the number of negative remarks about Israel (10 by my count) to those about Hamas and the Palestinians (2 by my count). That’s rather disproportionate, Mr. Prescott, wouldn’t you agree?
E) First aid to cure the Epidemic Islamic Terror
Since, terror has its own rhetoric to grow (infect others), it is essential, as hygienic measure, to
+ De-legitimize TERROR REHTORIC (viral infection) and their “NARRATIVE”,
+ Criticize reporters, and media announcers who promote this illness of converting the evil Islamic Terror as if it is immortal. It is NOT!
+ Demand the Public Council to press charges Against Terror Organizations members, leaders, and agents (yes, even reporters who support terror)
+ Ask representatives and law makers, to push them OUT of law
+ Dry out their budget and financial sources,
Here’s what I e-mailed to Joseph Kahn, the NY Times’ foreign editor:
I just finished looking carefully at the full page map in today’s (8/3/14) print New York Times, “Assessing the Damage in the Gaza Strip”, and there seems to be something missing — context.
There’s much damage shown in the Shejaiya section of Gaza City. But why did the Times leave out the path of Hamas’ tunnels into Israel, much of which is from Shejaiya, clearly documented time and again by the Israeli army?
Looking at the map one could get the impression that the Israeli side of Gaza’s eastern border is pretty empty, and thus the threat by Hamas tunnels to Israelis is minimal. You list only the Israeli communities of Nahal Oz, Be’eri. Yet in my travels in the area I’ve seen many Israeli communities. I opened my Israeli road atlas and found, among others, Niram, Mefalsim, Kfar Aza, Saad, Nahal Oz, Alumim, Shuva, Tushiya, Kfar Maimon, Be’eri, Re’im, Kissufim, Ein Hashlosha, Nirim, Nir Oz, Magen, Ami Oz, Mivtakhim, Yesha, Nir Yitzchak, Sufa, Kholit, Sdei Avraham, Yated, and Kerem Shalom, Yevual, Avshalom, Dekel, and Talmei Yosef. Why are these left out of the map?
Another map would also have been most useful — the IDF’s calculation of where Hamas rockets and morters were fired from, and where the IDF says the main Hamas rocket manufacturing sites and weapons storage areas are. One could then look at the Times’ map and see how both match up.
The Gaza power plant: The map’s note says the fire was ignited “by shelling”. The conclusion is that the shelling was from the IDF. But Israel said it didn’t fire at the power plant, and the strike could be an errant Hamas missile (at least 10% of which land in Gaza, not Israel). The word shelling could only refer to the IDF, since Hamas shelling would originate much further east, near Israel’s border. So does the Times have conclusive proof that the power plant was hit by an Israeli strike?
Shejaiya: The note under the twin photos states that the neighborhood “has been leveled”. Yet the “after” photo shows many standing structures. The note states that 600 structures were destroyed and 280 others were damaged. But how many structures are there in total in the neighborhood?
Vegetation losses: shown for Gaza, but what about Israeli crop loss right over the border due to Israeli farmers inability to harvest their crops because of the war?
Dirt tracks: it’s unclear what are you trying to show. Is it Israeli incursions into Gaza? If so, one would assume that the IDF would try to avoid regular streets which could be mined with IEDs.
Conclusion: I hope the Times would publish an amended map to create context, not, obfuscation. Your response would be much appreciated.
– Glenn Richter
(a daily Times reader for over 55 years)
D) Dishonest Reporting symptom of “IMMORTALIZING” of Islamic Terror:
Many reporters report about it with the passion and presumption that it has become IMMOTRAL.
If they are honest, & really believe that, then they have become a PART of the problem!
Once they try to convince people that, there is no other choice, but to subside to Islamic Terror, these reporters should be suspected to have become terror AIDS.
If, on the other hand, they say thing they do not believe, they probably are DISHONEST!
My son is in Israel for the summer so I have been monitoring CNN on a regular basis .I am increasingly concerned that CNNs Gaza Reporter (Carl) is just a mouthpiece for Hamas. Earlier today, he corrected the anchor that the Israeli captive was not “abducted” but was a “prisoner of war”. He had absolutely NO BUSINESS or no information to make such a statement. Later in the day, he had to be asked by Wolf B about the “unique event” cited by Hamas rather than following up on it in his report. Why is there no video of outgoing rockets from Hamas if the place is so small. Why has Carl never acknowledged that some of the Hamas rockets have fallen short and are responsible for some of the civilian deaths,
Why is he not reporting on the rockets in the UN schools and military communications in hospitals.
Bottom line, he is just an “ambulance chaser” and a conduit for Hamas propaganda. If CNN reporters are not free to report in a reasonably objective manner then they should be pulled out of there. We get enough Palestinian propaganda from CNNs other guests..
C) Islamic Terror Immortality?
Terror IMORTALITY brings total IMORALITY!
Islamic Terror destroys human MORALITY!
As moral human, we must oppose Islamic Terror IMMORTALITY, else we soon all loose our MORALITY.
As peaceful nations (human), we need to, have no alternative but, to fight TERROR (virus) immediately, before it becomes “in-destructible” (immune).
B) More so, one can think about the danger of this immortality of Islamic Terror presumption:
If TERROR is a legitimate tool, then let’s all join in! What do you say?
If it is so strong, which grants immortality, then, why not adopt it?
If it is impossible to conquer & destroy, then, might be small countries under attack should point to this new method of survival!
Want example of small countries, who straggle to survive?
Easy: Kurds, Israel, Ukraine, Armenia, Azeri’s, etc.
Or minorities who feel so, like American Indians, black, Jews, Hispanics’, Chinese, …
Do those reporters, who declare Islamic Terror as immortal, do they agree that these endangered communities, start international TERROR, to develop their total immunity and in-destructivity?
Is this what we want?
A) Lately we hear often this presumption:
“ISLAMIC Terror (e.g. HAMAS) cannot be eradicated. Nor can it be conquered.”
This raises several thoughts:
• Is TERROR worse than Tumor? Cancer? Aids?
• How was the terroristic regime of NAZIES in West Europe conquered?
• How about the terror of fundamentalist COMMUNISM in East Europe?
Most of them been challenged and cured, at least partially/
Then it is only natural to ask:
• Is the TERROR of fundamentalist ISLAM worse than any of those mentioned above?
Avi Shammas, Jerusalem, Israel 29th July 2014
Feedback To: HonestReporting Site
Some questions aboutTerror IMMORTALITY
A) Lately we hear often this presumption:
B) More so, one can think about the danger of this immortality of Islamic Terror presumption:
C) Islamic Terror Immortality?
D) Dishonest Reporting symptom of “IMMORTALIZING” of Islamic Terror:
E) What can an individual do about Islamic Terror PROBLEM?
F) Want more possible actions are there to neutralize Islamic Terror Immortality?
Try to duel these titles. Please be candid and tell your deep believes & ideas.
++ Above all: Be a MAN, where there are no men (a well know Jewish proverb)!
Many reporters claim “Terro can not be ended via force!” baced on this assumption, it is worth to build new rerror organizations, to become immortal!
I tend NOT to buy this
I am very please that HonestReporting did a story on Democracy Now. I have been listening to it for years and it makes other sources of news such as the BBC and Guardian look tame. Over several years they have Never, done a story remotely critical of the Palestinians, and in fact much like yesterdays report, only out of context facts damning to Israel. Further despite being dogged about racial and other forms of discrimination anti-semetic stories are almost never covered, or if they are covered they are justified in terms of Israels occupation.
I was about to ask my local community supported radio station to drop them, I could use more ammunition to show what I mean.
Como se hace para que la información correcta llegue a los medios de comunicación? y en el caso de la escuela de la ONU, porque no se les exige a los medios que ratifiquen y pidan disculpas?
allowing only people registered with facebook to “like” or approve a comment is very short=sighted.many people choose not to register on facebook but would still appreciate being able to give a thumbs up where it is necessary.
Re: CNN Fairness
My son is currently in Israel for the summer so I have been closely watching CNN to keep up to date on developments. I just caught the Erin Burnett piece about bias and would make the following comments:
1. It needs to be acknowledged that the reporters in Gaza are not 100 percent free to report as they wish and that they must operate under Hamas control. People need to understand this reality. It also does not excuse the CNN anchors and editors who should be responsible for context.
2. The CNN anchors to a person are absolutely biased when it comes to the interviews with spokesmen or Israel and the Palestinians. Israel is consistently asked the tough questions and often are interrupted. The Palestinians are lobbed general questions and allowed to go off on their predicable rants that don’t usually add any new information or revelation. Why are CNN anchors not asking Palestinian and Hamas leaders the tough questions such as:
What is their objective in sending rockets into Israel and how does this serve the average Palestinian? Are the death in Gaza worth it? Why are they spending foreign aid on rockets and building tunnels into Israel? How does this lead to peace for the Palestinian people? Why are they stowing rockets in schools etc and why are they using their citizens as human shields? Why is the leadership of the Palestinian people not in Gaza with their people? How do they respond to the recent poll that the Palestinians want peace. I could go on and on with FAIR and LEGITIMATE questions that just are not being asked by CNN anchors and probably many others.
do story on foreigners in the IDF serving in military from the globe who support Israel, never told stories to be sure, boost morale alone.
Why is your website still stuck on July 24th. We rely on you for information at least daily if not hourly. please explain
The Daily Mail is running fake photos today. Lead photo os an old man standing against a wall with a heart. Scroll down, same old man laying passed out on a stretcher as “body recovered from rubble”. Woman walking in rubble is obviously staged. How many “dead” people are walking around? All courtesy of Pallywood.
In the course of my attempts to organize a world wide seminar on Terrorism on behalf of a major efucational institution some years ago I visited the Un headquatters in Geneva in order to examine comprehensive lists of UN seminars on the subject. To my utter surprise I discovered that the UIN had invited the Palestinian Liberation Organization to a major seminar on Terrorism. The PLO were listed among the invitees. Since the Conference nnow taking place in Europe to extend the Cease Fire includes Quatar, a supporter and provider of weapons to Hamas, it looks like they are doing it once motre. Is this not cynical?
Hi HR Team, for your info, see http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/hoax-alert-video-showing-hamas-using-children-human-shields-syria See if it is true or not.
Erin Burnett from CNN mentioned today “there is international outrage over the killing of the 4 boys on the beach.”
I did not find this comment necessary.
A few days ago she complained that there were 200 Gazans killed and no Israelis as if it’s a game of football.
The Daily Mail accuses Jews of attacking Arab in Paris when the Arabs attacked Jews in a violent way. Their photos show only violent Arabs but the writing blames the Jews. This distortion is a new low. The Daily Mail would have blamed the Jews for attacking the Nazis during Kristalnacht.
Note that the #BBCtrending feed has examined the photos on the #GazaUnderAttack photos and found that “Some of the images are of the current situation in Gaza, but a #BBCtrending analysis has found that some date as far back as 2009 and others are from conflicts in Syria and Iraq.” So much for the reliability of the #GazaUnderAttack feeds. No surprise.
I just read the following on Fox News Latino. Am I wrong in calling a-e lies? Please tell me what you think:
“Israel blamed the kidnappings on Hamas, which has denied any role (a), and arrested 500 people, most of them linked to the group.
Tensions between the two sides flared after a Palestinian teenager was abducted in Jerusalem last week (b) and found burned to death hours later (c) in a revenge killing (d) for the murders of the three Israeli students.
Israeli security forces have arrested six people in connection with the murder, one of whom has confessed (e) and confirmed the involvement of the other accused” (f)
BH It seems this is a teen issue that is involved with the pyromaniac style murders that has dragged both adult political systems back into the conflict without the adults really understanding what is going on since they again did not consult with the real Rabbis such as Ariel Ben Yaakov. Our sins are bringing Heavens sword on both sides and when we start to listen to the real rabbis then the conflict will be settled. Our kids are misunderstood, neglected in education with the proper rabbis and out of control because of the input to which they are exposed with no real guidance of true Torah wisdom given over by true rabbis who are truly Holy such as Ben Yaakov. As it is written… those who disparage the Rabbis are given a disease to which there is no cure and those who disrespect the House of David from which we hail are bitten by a snake-the Talmud. You are creating your own tragedies and disasters by your own sins and disrespect for the true rabbis of our generation. Did anyone ever appease or even compensate my son for the crimes he endured at your societies hands? My son lead a peace initiative one and a half years ago because he knew that this would happen if it waSNT done. You chucked him into a mental hospital in your greAT WISDOM. wHEN YOU START TO LISTEN TO THE REAL RABBIS LIKE MY SON THEN THINGS WILL IMPROVE. UNTILL THEn YOU WILL EAT YOUR OWN SHIT THOSE WHO HAVE DISPRECTED THE RIGHTFUL dAViDIDC KING OF iSRAEL JUST AS YOU DID IN KING DAVID’S TIME.
I love Israel, and i donot like what i see and hear, i do not trust the Pope, and Oboma has turned his back on Israel, all for Hamas! God said He would never leave you nor forsake you! His Word is Truth, Shalom…..
How do Jews allow this? How does anyone allow this, don’t they know that it is wrong? http://youtu.be/hMF12Ru–yw
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This may just be me, but I looked hard in the NYT sports section for a report on the final in Milan in which Maccabi Tel Aviv beat Real Madrid to win the Euroleague Basketball Cup. Am I no good at using search engines or is this a case of ‘The Cup was won by an Israeli team, so the Cup didn’t happen’?
You might find this infographic on online defamation interesting & helpful:
Like what you do. Keep up the god work. I’m praying for you guys. God the Father knows all and see all!
C’mon, people, BDS is BS. It isn’t about anything other than plain old fashioned JEW HATE. It’s been around since for millennium and it isn’t about to stop anytime soon. The blasted Palestinians (hey, that used to define US!) do not want PEACE, they want every millimeter of what is now Israel…and will REMAIN Israel until hell freezes over.
Israel is to blame, in part, for not being able to counter the propaganda of the Arab world. They do have a PR firm that seems to be doing NOTHING. I’ve not heard anything positive about Israel, have you?
So, folks, it is up to US JEWS to get the message across. It is a heck of a lot easier to do than you might think. When I get confronted about Israel, I simply pull out either my tablet, my Kindle, or my smart phone and show videos which tells the TRUTH about Israel.
Yeah, it takes a few minutes, but how much is Israel important to YOU? You can’t spare a few minutes in an attempt to show that Israel is NOT apartheid but that EVERY Arab country IS?
I love running in to an antisemite or simply a non-Jew who doesn’t understand why Israel is so important, particularly with the Arabs now saying that we’re not a people, just a religion and so a religion doesn’t deserve a country.
Remember, BDS = Bigotry, Disinformation, Shame.
Am Yisroel CHIA!
As I see it, there is an underlying reason why there is so much animosity towards Israel. This tiny nation represents the one true God. There are Muslim nations, there are countries with Christian majorities (like the United States), and there’s even Rome. But the world hates being reminded of this one and only true God. Israel is that thorn in the soles of atheists and folks of other non Jewish/non Christian religions. That “Israel”, from which Jacob was named, exists is a testament to His existence and reminds us that God is not going away, .
Please don’t put this on your Web page. In re: David Cameron Addresses Knesset – http://honestreporting.com/israel-daily-news-stream-03122014/
In the following, can you please change “your” to you’re”?
3. In case your wondering why the UN has been silent over the shipment of Iranian weapons, it’s because Ministry of Foreign Affairs employees are on strike, not because it’s business as usual at 760 . Haaretz explains:
Please note that CNN (at least online) did not cover the dramatic display in Israel of Iranian weapons seized on the ship or Prime Minister Netanyahu’s comments on the world’s hypocrisy, only last week’s initial interception of the ship. Oh, but there is space for an article on a “hot” Israeli topic–the fact that few of Tel Aviv’s streets are named after women. Not only what is written–but what is not written–offers a window into the bias of a news-gathering institution. The Fox network gave the arms cache display top home page coverage yesterday and even the BBC, no friend of Israel, included the story and picture in its Middle East coverage.
Hi, only to inform that that last article of my blog “The Kerry Plan For Israel And Palestine – Can It Work?” ( http://arirusila.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/the-kerry-plan-for-israel-and-palestine-can-it-work/ ) is now published.
I’d like to post some articles on my Facebook page, but hitting the ‘Recommend’ button doesn’t do it.
Dear Simon Plosker,
You should know about this re Stephen Sizer, who is NOT a friend of Israel. He responded by refusing to repent and only retaliated.
I also defend Israel in our recent DVD film documentary entitled: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY TO STEAL THE LAND OF ISRAEL:
Our DVD is mostly devoted to proving the fulfillment of Scripture Prophecy (Old and New Testaments) and the future of Israel and Greater Israel.
It was recently released and is now available at: http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=2538
Below is my letter to Mr. Sizer who is a collaborator and accomplice to Rick Warren.
January 8, 2014
Dear Stephen Sizer,
This is my second request and followup inquiry to you regarding Rick Warren, regarding Rick Warren’s statement about his Purpose Driven Life Book: “best selling non-fiction hardback book in history”, which I refute at:
I see that as late as yesterday that you are still promoting Rick Warren. If you don’t believe me that his claim about the sales of his PDL has no foundation in fact, since you know him well, ask him directly for the date, issue, and page number of the Publishers Weekly citation. Also ask the President George Slowik of Publishers Weekly, as I did, and you will be able to verify that they have no record of ever publishing such a statement. And while you are at it, if Warren’s book is first, who came in second, third, tenth? I would think as a Christian that you would want to trust but verify. As such a boast would make your similar statement about the popularity of Rick Warren’s book (about 2 minutes in) at:
also untrue. I am surprised you, as an author, would not know that statement is farfetched and unbelievable. And where is the proof and citation that Warren’s book is even “the most popular book in the world apart from the Bible” 2:24 minutes in? Who told you that? Did you verify that?
I look forward to your prompt response.
Sincerely in Christ,
Arabs have 660 times the land of Israel. Why should Israel give ANY land to the “Palestinian” Arabs? Why don’t the Arabs give the “Palestinian” Arabs some land? The reason is that they are using the Palestinians to destroy Israel. Israel is the only country in the world where citizens are targeted and the world remains silent. I believe everyone who hates Jews and Israel should boycott all things discovered or invented by Jews. Start with penicillin. If you get strep throat — drop dead!
I would like to see an Israeli TV network to cover the whole World in order to give trusty news to the public opinion.
I cancelled my subscription. By the way, sharing the link for “Why the New York Times Won” on Facebook did not work. A shame. I really want to share this. The more we can do to point this out, the better off America will be. All evil comes from lies/untruths.
On NBC News.com there is an article that blames Israel for the killing of a girl in Gaza. Look at the title. The URL is below. Disgusting journalism.
Can the editors stop saying “Mideast” when they mean to say “Middle East”?
Richard Horton, Editor of The Lancet, has been caught tweeting antisemitic slurs and pro-Islamist garbage. If called out on his racist views, he goes on the attack……very nasty and nothing like the public face he wears. He shouts about research misconduct and privately ignores letters and threatens that he will cut off all communication with those trying to demonstrate just how rotten the system is. One word for this self-promoting bigot……..hypocrite!
i wouldnt waste my money on the NYT.
Honest Reporting rocks! How can I get a hard copy (not an e-copy, please) of The Israeli-Arab Conflict?
I vote for Sharmila Devi for the Dishonest Reporter of the Year Award. She clearly is tired of reading about Israeli doctors volunteering to help non-Jewish survivors in the Phillipines and in Haiti and feels it her duty to besmirch their well-earned reputation for selflessness and humanitarianism. If Israeli medicine is good enough for the grandson of the Hamas leader, it is not likely that they would stoop to aiding in torture of a low level Fatah member. Shame on you, Sharmila, for trying to throw mud where it is certainly not warranted!
I say the following only out of love, not malice. I love you and your reporting. I just got this email today, the 19th. This story, ” Israeli diplomats are already conceding failure…….” baffles me. Isn’t this old news given the recent reports of French promised intransigence on this issue along with Saudi cooperation, even though they’ve lately denied it, that just gives it more credence to me. And isn’t the header also incorrect, portraying these negotiations as between the USA and Iran. It is the P5 + 1 negotiating, Madam Ashton leading everything, she of the E.U., not USA. All I can say is Vive la France! I trust Hollande in everything he said on this subject. Add to Arabia, you have Qatar and Abu Dhabi also part of this coalition. My guess is the Iranians are really surprised at this turn of events, this strength being shown by France. Anyway, am I wrong or do you need to switch from using a telex machine to, like, email to get your information in a timely fashion? Just kidding. Thanks and goodbye.
A mother mourning the death of a child is the worst! Losing a child to prison because he is a murderer cannot be compared
If God is with you, who can stand against you. It has been repeated time and time again and will continue until her enemies are her foot stool.. The Bible!
Yoü say that we have to fight a vicious propaganda against Israel. You´re right but please consider that our counter-propaganda is most of the time ineffectiv when not stupid. One exemple: “The hasbarah”. Hasbarah comes from “lehasbir” : to explain. It is stupid to want to explain something to people who just want you to be eliminated. In Alyaexpress news I wrote an article about what we should do: “Principles of offensiv counter-propaganda” . The article is in french but if you´re interested I can translate it. email@example.com
Why hasn’t anyone considered that the military’s actions in Egypt were meant to pre-empt an Erdogan-like “discovery” of a military coup conspiracy by Morsi which would have allowed him to de-ligitimize and incarcerate the military leadership. They may have had advanced warning and decided to make the impending claim a reality – to turn the tables.
The report about the London Times reportage about the Ethiopians as well as other absurd stories of the same ilk is an open attempt to align that rag with the Arab/Muslim world which is yelling “Apartheid” at the mere mentio of the word “Israel”. Unfortionately, this is a reflection of the British mentality about Arabs and Jews which has been in existence since that country took control of the Middle East over a century ago and which was prevalent at the time of the establishment of the State of Israel. Last week’s vote by Parliament to not back any action against Syria is just more of the same and gives sucor to the staff of the Times when it writes its Anti-Semitic screed.
Stop the peace negotiation, the palestinians asking for Israel to return to 1967 border, is against all logic.Which country has ever defended itself against agression and by fighting and spilling the blood of its soldiers and civilians.
gain victory, has ever returned land.
there is no hope of any peace agreament, lets not lose time and efforts.And of course don’t even think of.
freeing more murderers, why should Israel do this , just to please its enemies and so caled “friends”.
With such friends who need enemies?
we have more urgent matters to take care of, our security.
Israel is surrounded by enemies and by fires burning around us, all our energies should be focus on our defence.
and let the palestinien talking and dreaming and lying as they always had.
We are very serious about peace, defense, freedom words that don’t exist in the arab linguaje.
nor do the words HUMAN RIGHTS has any meaning for them.No use to speak, or argue with.
deafs and blinds fanatics.
I completely agree
They should release prisoners after sufficient imprisonment. It costs a lot to keep them in prison.
Could you please change your homepage for Honest Reporting? I don’t think it helps a Jew to have to keep looking at negative cartoons/pictures about Jews? I will be just looking at the News Stream, because I don’t want to have to keep looking at those pictures.
Can’t download the free e-book. There is no link. How can I get it?
I suggest that their constitution be temporarily changed so that only a Jewish guy can become president. That way, the Egyptians will be confident that the president will not be partial to any Muslim faction, be it religious or secular. A national law should be promulgated that every mosque in Egypt serve vegetarian chulent on Fridays. That way, the Islamists would learn not to be so aggressive because they would not be eating meat all the time. Whatever name the Jewish fellow currently goes by, he should temporarily change his name to Yosef ben Yacob, so as to recall to the Egyptian people how it was, in their ancient history, that a Jewish guy freed them from all their tsuris.
At last – a common sensical solution.
You have my vote, Saul.
However, I think that they should be obliged to recite the four questions once a day as a reminder of what can happen to backsliders.
That’s in part the source of much of our sorrow. Perhaps 5% of the people are ready for your proposal and the rest would kill before they would even consider your modest proposal. We may have to find another way to sell secular democratic government. I imagine that a non stop series of TV shows like “All in the Family” might help them to loosen up and, miracle of miracles, laugh at themselves.
They would do better with a secular democratic government
I hope that I am wrong, but I have the feeling that it may take many hundreds of years for Muslim peoples to discover a more temperate interpretation of their religious views. Until then, we have no choice but to live with them, but it’sa bit like living with an insane relative given to awful fits at times.
You are not wrong- 1400 years of being taught that Islam MUST rule the world will take longer than 100 years.
Sloppy headline makes out that it’s Israel that’s banning the film and not Lebanon.
“Lebanese film The Attack falls foul of Israel ban”
By Kevin Connolly
BBC News, Beirut
I feel sorry for Morsi but he should have realized that even having the majority the demographics of who voted for which side was such that he should have stood above party dogma and acted as the President of all Egyptians.
In a country like Egypt in process of modernization you cannot even with a majority change the constitution and create new laws that makes the presidency beyond the arm of the law and force religious law on a large segment of the population who want the freedom to choose how they live their lives without a religious police, Iranian style, looking at their every move.
The options now are not good because the military themselves are a drag on the liberalization of the Egyptian economy and consider themselves the ultimate authority.
Morsi has only himself to blame, he simply did not have the guts to do the right thing for all Egyptians – there was a middle way and he did not take it.
I feel completely lost as to what to suggest now that would be good for Egypt.
Maybe, if I’m not being naive, quiet discussions should take place between the interim authorities and Morsi of a formula whereby he returns to office under the condition he has a balanced cabinet and share of ministries equally divided between Islamists and their opposition whereby there will be no legislation or constitutional changes such as imposing Sharia law into daily life nor granting immunity to the presidency or any other individual, group or institution including the military.
Dont feel sorry for Morsi- He is Muslim Brotherhood- that says it all-
They love democracy until they gain power- then its a lead to a theocratic rule by religious laws- end of.
Its their complete ideology and there is no compromise in the end game.
Like Hamas- Muslim Brotherhood- When did they come to power 2006?
Any chance of another “Free Election”?
Over 100 million Europeans believe that Israel is slaughtering Palestinians! I’d wonder what was wrong with them, but I KNOW what is wrong with them. Being Jew haters from birth, they will believe any negative misinformation about Israel without the sense of trying to discover whether or not it is true. Palestinians are GROWING in number, not decreasing. When the Egyptian president was overthrown the other day (today is 7.5.13) some Palestinians were griping about the loss of food, fuel, etc. that they were getting from Egypt. The ungrateful b******s! What about the material they receive from Israel every week?
Hasbera is as useless as mammary glands on a wart hog!
Maintain international agreements
Reading about what is happening in Egypt today, with the military taking over power, and the world staying silent, reminds me of May, 1967, when Egyptian troops moved into the Sinai. At the time, the western world told Israel to do nothing, as they have Israel’s back. At the same time, the Arab world was screaming for Israeli blood, although Israel had done nothing any Arab country, or any Palestinian refugee camp, which Arab countries put them in. In June, 1967, after Egypt and Syria combined forces under Egyptian command, Israel was forced to strike. However, since Egypt and Israel signed a peace treaty. I trust Egypt to keep its word.
There is no link to the free ebook that you offered on the Arab Israeli Conflict
You instruct the viewer to sign up and then click the link “below” but there is no link.
I just subscribed and there was no “link” at the bottom of the page to download my e-book!!
I had a great suggestion from Arutz Sheva to give you for a double standard of the Arab MKs objecting to moving Bedouins, calling the Knesset racist and other names, but your suggestion
box requires too few characters for me to explain the whole thing, 250 words is not enough!
Yarden Frankl in his report of today has omitted that after Arafat signed the Oslo accords, Areket said that Arafat could sign whatever he wanted, but the Palestinians would never be satisfied with anything less than a Palestinian sate from the “river to the sea”.
In addition, Areket has no idea as to what South Africa under apartheid was like.
If he is interested, I would, as one who was arrested by the South African police and spent time in jail for “anti-apartheid activities”, be only too willing to explain the differences to Mr. Areket.
Please look into this article, I think it is a little too one sided.http://bit.ly/unpromisedland
Well I read it- How do know how to believe it- Can not find a contact address!
There appears to be no comments facility-
And why did these people desire Israel above nearer countries to run to?
I am sure if they are not happy- no one is keeping them in Israel- Rather arrogant as one allegedly says ” As son as the dictator is toppled I will return”-
I am amazed that Google doesn’t acknowledge your website and address. Your CEO Joe Hyams sent out a special message that I couldn’t access. I am a retired newsman who worked over 30 years, mostly at Israel Radio’s English News section as an Editor’/Reporter, Economic Reporter, Announcer, Producer and Acting Head. I applaud your efforts to present an accurate picture of the news, but you face an uphill task because most of the international media are objective against Israel. It is obscene that 65 years after its birth Israel has no recognised borders: the June 4, 1967 lines were armistice lines, but that is what most countries assume is Israel. The United States does n
you guys need to petition the NYtimes for NOT covering news such as in the report attached here. instead, the NYtimes keeps clinging to the “”coflict” / hamatzav, as we call it. let them know the readership out here in the real world is watching them.
todah rabbah for all you do ! it IS a war !
it’s about the number of people killed in syria.
I am responding to Honest Reporting’s article that Israel is sending arms to Arab countries, which do not have diplomatic relations with Israel – foreign policy for most countries is “smoke and mirrors.” Most people understand that what governments (including Israel) say and do publicly, do not reflect realities.
Of course they do but they like to read this type of “nothing new” information and say “well what do you know!!” making it a good subject of weekend conversation between friends and family.
Despite Honest Reporting’s requests, my requests, as well as those of others, most of the national news media continue calling Hezbollah a militant organization, instead of what it really is – a terrorist organization. Today, ABC News.com reported that Syria and Hezbollah joined forces to capture a rebel stronghold. I just sent ABC News.com a strongly worded email stating that “…it is disgusting that ABC does not call Hezbollah a terrorist organization.” While viewing ABC News.com on line, their reporter stated that Syria is a strong supporter of terrorism – I am paraphrasing. I repeated my request to ABC News that it owes its viewers an explanation for refusing to face reality.
On a hunch, I reread some material on the Royalist Americans who, during the 1776 American Revolutionary War, chose rather to throw their fates in with the British rather than their American compatriots. At war’s end, regarded as DESERTERS, they were forced to remain in Canada.
It suggests a certain parallel to me, that of the Palestinian Arabs who fled in the 1948-49 hostilities AND who regard themselves as refugees. I think that, at the very least, they should similarly be regarded as DESERTERS. The real 1948-67 refugees were the 850,000 Jews from ten Arab countries: threatened with massacre, properties expropriated, and indeed made refugees now more than half of Israel’s Jews.
Very good blog post. I certainly love this site. Keep it up!
Whilst Pesach does a great job putting IDNS together including the daily summary, is it (IDNS) a personal blog or is it HR’s summary for the day, to wit:
I’m glad to see news services like the BBC, NY Times, and AP picked up on Nisman’s findings.
(part of summary dated 30th May 2013)
Great to see news…… or something similar is more appropriate!
Here is the best explanation I’ve ever read: David & Goliath: The explosive inside story of media bias in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by Shraga Simmons. (ISBN 97809844039814The “media” turned on Israel because they perceive the Arabs–the so-called Palestinians–as the underdogs and the world loves to root for underdogs. I’ve been reading his book on my Kindle HD and I can only read a few pages at a time or I’ll have another stroke! Another book I feel is as important is “Genocidal Liberalism: The University’s Jihad Against Israel & Jews” by Richard L. Cravatts. (ISBN 9780615566382).
My personal way of combating the lies is showing videos and PowerPoint presentations to Jew-haters.
It’s taken hasbara 13 years to get around to discovering that the al Dura photo was a fake. Who cares now? It’s taken hasbara 65 years and nothing has been done about the outrage, far greater than the Palestine refugee fable, that of the expulsion of the 850,000 Jews from Arab countries. The Arabs cunningly set the scene back in 1902 by hustling into Palestine assorted fellaheen and, of course more came with the British. But we’ve been sold a fable about the Arab ancestral home and never managed to let the world know that it is a fable or that the Jews from Arab countries were expelled after up to 2600 years. Where’s the hasbara??
Nothing seems to change
Slowly, national leaders of various countries (i.e. Canada) are blasting the international news media for swallowing the terrorists’ lies about how Israel treats its non-Jewish citizens. It is important that the international news media (newspapers, television, and radio) inform their public about the truth. There will always be those who say, “don’t confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up”. As an American, I am asking – no, pleading with all intelligent readers to keep the pressure on the news media to be honest about the situation in the Middle East. It is very important that the news media label Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, and not as a militant organization.
What I find particularly alarming is that major players in both right and left wing media, propagandise against Israel. Public opinion largely being a construct of media demagogues, and serving the interests of their paymasters, it is necessary that as many as see through the one dimensional and falsified narrative of Israel, speak out against the mainstream media’s blind acceptance of Islamist claims at face value. I am grateful to find yet another site where voices friendly to Israel can be ‘heard’, as it were. Thank you, keep up the good work.
The Arab League is suggesting a landswap. But they are the ones who propelled all the problems that Israel and the Palestinians are suffering from today. It is the League that in 1948 ordered Arab armies into Israel and ordered the Palestinian residents to get out of the path of the Arab armies in other words to flee, it is the League that in revenge for the Arab army defeats ordered the expulsion and expropriation of Jewish properties in ten Arab countries.
So today, if the League is speaking of land swaps, maybe they can help correct their past crimes by arranging for the Palestinians who may wish to take advantage by swapping on a ten to one ratio Jewish Arab lands for Palestinian lands
Secretary of State Kerry’s interview with the NY Times gave the impression that the Obama administration considers Hezbollah a militia. I know that is not the case, as President Obama called Hezbollah a terrorist organization. With the NY Times, Newsday, ABC Wold News, NBC News, CBS News, and most of the national news media calling Hezbollah a militia, they put them in the category as the Minutemen of the American Revolution, and the modern day National Guard. It is important that Honest Reporting’s readers tell any member of the news media calling Hezbollah a militia to explain themselves. I had sent emails to the NY Times, Newsday, and to ABC World News.com.
Hezbollah is a terroist organization just like Hamas and the Palestinian autorithy (at mild level).
I’m and Israeli (and Australian) who leaves in Israel. We are back in our state forever, and we will fight for it. All my family and myself served in the IDF which we consider to be the most moral army in the world. Despite my release from the army should it call me, I will answer.
No terrorist organization is going to drive us out of Israel. No media or pressure will change our firm stand for our home. We are here forever.
The differences between Juadism and Korean can summerize as follows. Muslim: “We shall deliver Muhamad tora by sowrd”, meaning we will kill all the none muslims.
I visited Israel on a tour in 1983. I know there have been many changes. However, I would like to visit again. Can you recommend an agency or tour director?
thank you for your great HR EBook. i love HR, and do my research, i find a Great HR Books Free Download Site: http://www.foxebook.net/tag/hr/, i hope everyone like it.
I’ve been subscribing to ur work for the past five year and i believe you are doing a good job. A platform should also be created for us especially from Africa to reach-out to your organisation on our view points as regards some of the issues. For instance what is happening in Nigeria with the Islamic sect called Boko Haram is exactly the problems Isreal is facing with its neighbours(Arab nations)
As far as i’m concerned, Isreal has no hands in the Syrian crisis. All the Arab nations would do everything posissble to ensure that Isreal doesn’t exist.They are wasting their time. It won’t work. That’s my take on that matter. YAHWEH will continue to fight the battles of Isreal.
I tried sending an email to NBCNews.com, asking how they can justify calling Hezbollah a militia in their article dated May 5, 2013, titled “Israel strikes Syrian research center, US official says”, but they kept rejecting it. I told them that President Obama called Hezbollah a terrorist organization, and that Hezbollah members match the definition of terrorists. Perhaps someone else would be successful in reaching them.
Israel’s face to the world is this: ‘This great nation is a wise and understanding people’. It will be ‘mind of God’ enough for Stephen Hawking if we get it and can sell it. A rabbi who brings up democracy, free women, free homosexuals, and free Arabs in Israel reminds us all of how further we still have to go in the unwrapping of the divinity of Israel as a nation’s share of the world’s work.
Stephen Hawkins is an amazing individual held in high esteem by millions including the citizens of Israel, but I cannot deny my disappointment to his outburst which in the passing of time I hope he reflects upon and the consequence of the message causing the flame of hatred to become magnified by his endorsement. Notwithstanding which it would not surprise me in the slightest that as Israeli scientists continue to discover remedies for life threatening illness and decease, they will be the first to offer him the opportunity of a better quality of life. Mr Hawkins,Sir,you are a truly remarkable man, my heart has always gone out to you, I hope yours reconsiders the negativity of your actions.
I am so glad to have your site. It is good that you are getting the truth out about Israel in these dark days of deception! I am praying for you all.
I am so glad to have your site. It is good that you are getting the truth out about Israel in these dark days of deception!
THe Guardian holds a poll on Stephen Hawkins-”Is he right to boycott a visit to Israel” in its Comment is Free on line page-
However Cambridge Uni says he has cancelled for health reasons-
Yet another Guardian/Palestinian twist of the truth.
It seems that Honest Reporting is as confused as I am regarding Secretary of State Kerry’s non-apology-apology regarding his initial comments blaming Israel for the terror attack in Boston. Afterwards, when his representative tried to explain what the secretary said, he made it sound that Secretary of State Kerry was twisting himself into a pretzel in order to avoid apologizing. President Obama is strangely silent on this issue. The anti-Israel college students, their professors, and their college administrators must be having a field day, or scratching their heads wondering what is going on.
Hell. I really enjoy reading the views and news on your site. However, when I signed up and waited for the link to download the Arab-Israeli free e-book, no link appeared. Please send this to me at my email address. Gratefully yours
Beverly, the figure of 700,000 Arab refugeeswho left of their own free will, at the behest of their leaders, is a fairy tale, just like the slaughter at Deir Yassin. The unknown figure is usually accepted as being half that number. and that is being generous. It still pales into insignificance besides the 900-950,000 Jewish refugees from the Islamic countries who facced a very uncertain future, if all from their Arab overlords.
However, in the Daily Mail 26/04/2013, a paper unknown for being pro Israel, although two of its journalists are; Melanie Phillips and Richard Littlejohn (he is not Jewish), there is an article that has offered honest reporting. Arab “cowards” by ex-spy chief.
PLEASE WATCH VIDEO SPREADS LIES AND PROPAGANDA
Timothy Geitner always thought he was Episcopalian. So did his parents. George Soros is not considered a friend of the Jews, by far. Henry Kissinger was caught on tape in a conversation with Richard Nixon, demeaning Israeli Jews. Which Rothschilds does Dicke have problems with, the ones whom he thinks are Communists or the ones whom he thinks are filthy rich bankers? Rothschild money has built hospitals in Israel, the USA, England, France, and Austria. How many hospitals, worldwide, are associated with the Dicke name? I have heard the name Dickey associated with the knuckleball, but I can see how this Dicke can be associated with knucklehead.
This is nothing new
Anti-Jewish/Israeli Bias in Wikipedia – Noticed a list of Israeli assassinations (suspected assassinations by agents working for Israel) in Wikipedia but could not find lists of German, Russian, British, Canadian, Mexican, Egyptian, Saudi, or any other nationality assassinations. Also noted when a murderer happens to be Jewish there is a reference to that in Wikipedia (see Ira Einhorn as an example). There are no references to other murderers who happen to be anything else – no Hindu murderers, no Buddhist murderers, no murderers who Wiki defines as being a member of Church of England, etc.
The entire world knows how those damned Jews dispossessed the poor, innocent Palestinians from the homes they had lived in for thousands of years. Just think of it, about 700,000 ARABS were viciously thrown out of their homes. Tsk, tsk, what monsters those Jews were.
But is that what happened? REALLY? When did the Arabs become “Palestinians?” Go ahead, Google it.
According to the charter of the PLO “Even in the PLO’s terrorist charter, Jews living in “Palestine” prior to 1917 were to be called, “Palestinians.” Now go check out who displaced who. Prepare to be surprised.
wheres the link for the ebook?
Could you please, check the true?
by Diaah Hadid- 4/11/13
I signed up to receive the free e-book, “Israeli-Arab Conflict”, but there is no link to click on to download it.
Where’s the petition?????????
You have three operative words: all, recognized, respected. There are polls that might attempt to give you some kind of estimate for numbers. Religious groups are held in less respect than one would wish inasmuch as half the Jews are secular. I can’t conceive of a locale with so many religions observed in such a confined area. Jerusalem is becoming much more orthodox Jewish, and Christianity is losing numbers particularly in Muslim areas. There has always been a strong Jewish resentment of Christian efforts to convert Jews. Young secular Jews resent orthodox family subsidies and general non service in military by both men and women. My uninformed opinions as a 60 year resident of Israel.
In Israel all religions are recognized and respected
H.R. please exercise oversight over what is published, especially as far as literacy and respectful language are concerned. This is not censorship rather than guidelines for civil discourse.
I wonder if all this Muslim tendency to bully others into submission is in any way caused by the Muslim habit of acquiring up to four wives. To keep them in line and to keep them properly serviced, it seems to me that if one lacked the appropriate human relations and other skills, that it would be only too natural to resort to bullying. Or is it all just an unfortunate reading of the Koran? As I’ve said elsewhere, The 7th century Muslim conquest reached out of Saudi Arabia, extended to Persia, and as far as Spain. By 1492, Spain was able to reconquer its land and that is precisely what Israel is finally accomplishing too. Israel is just reconquering its homeland.
Sphardi Muslim Bullying
1) 6th NO Islamic country, barely ONE Arabic country (Saudi)
2) ONE Islamic-Arabic country (Saudi), determined to own the world
3) 7th One Islamic Empire, including 100+ non-Arab states, occupied by one Arab nation (Saudi)
4) RELIGION shift (to Islam), & Ethnic shift (into Arabic) NATIONALITY. 20+ non-Arab nations demolished and transformed (mass murder, enslavement, mass transfer, refuge) to ARABIC NATIONALITY
5) Iran revives nationality back to PERSIAN, converts to Islam. So do many non-Arabs
6) Arab Nationality Bullying replaced by Islamic Bullying
7) Spain retains Religion (Christianity). Europe Starts loosing identity
8) Israel revives/ Will Eurpoe?
Today I opened your newsletter but could not read the articles. It was stopped by
upstream server. It just gave be a blank page each time. Why?
How about potential or unsuccessful murderers.
Muslims. Just plain Muslims.
We all know what the loyal believers, the unthinking followers of the “Holy” Koran and their warped prophet, Mohammed, have in store for all of us infidels.
Let us call them what they really and truly are.
I would like to suggest that you and other news organizations stop referring to terrorists that throw rocks as “rock or stone throwers”. Given the danger posed by these terrorists, it would be more correct to call them “missile-throwers”, since one definition of a missile is simply an object that is thrown at a target.
This would more accurately describe the deadly effect of rocks thrown by slings that these terrorists use. This would also eliminate the feel-good aspect of a rock-thrower. After all, as kids, didn’t we all throw rocks. Rocks can’t kill, right?
Dear Zev HR
In Islam the killing of others’ life is not just taking his life. It should be combined by humiliation, taking his honor, destroying his pride, and defaming him.
By throwing stone onto one, the Muslim defames the victim and declares that he is not human: he is DEVIL!
Look what do the Muslim pilgrims do, when circling KAABE. They go & throw STONE. What is their target? DEVIL, of course.
And why do they STONE defamed women? As being evil and being weak.
And, why do they STONE at Jewish men? To doubly humiliate them: a) as DEVIL and, b) as femininely weak person, which should NOT be given the chance to defend himself by weapon or sword, like a MAN (= ARAB). HUMILIATION is meant
Dear Sir M. Shoaib Adil,
I saw in your first two, three WORDS, that you are a good, excellent, ethical, extremely educated Person.
I trust you fully and hold only the UTMOSTLY highest respect for You. You stand besides Abraham and Moses and David and Solomon. You ARE a hero — like me, but now, yet, more than me.
Sallaam, Alhamdoulilah, Your Word in MANKIND’S EARS. My true Brother. You Sir, I would appoint you PM of Israel or of the Westbank and Gaza, would I have anything to say.
Some US-American judge has just “stumbled” upon a “forgotten” and falsely convicted german-american woman who was jailed abusively for 22 years since 1990.
this alone is outrageous. the jury believed a cop there known to lie while in oath.
GMX reported about it here:
I simply want to take a good, precise look at the dark, really evil side of usa. maybe not “dark”, but more precisely, “BROWN”. like in Borat’s funny table-statement “De Brown from my Anus” ::)
If you look how many americans now are antisemites, it’s MORE than in 1960 and 1940.
this ain’t good.
To Ellen: I am against gender segregation — and against this “al jazeera”, since they have been made into a megaphone for HIZBOLLA, actually. You, ellen, sorry, ARE stupid. Period.
I just very shortly wrote to HR and told em about the extreme antisemitism (via “anti-zionism”) here on yahoo:
It’s TERRIBLE. The Palestinians who appear to speak, ARE mostly rather nice and not hamas etc. violent dudes, I feel that. BUT some 50% of AMERICANS … KKK NAZI. ANTISEMITIC to THE BONE. christendom? not better than the fanatical islam. period.
my nose was unwarnedly broken and lip split by prohitler antisemite muslims.
I see you refer from time to time to ‘Palestinian territories’. In fact, do such actually exist? – I thought the term ‘Palestinian territories’ was constructed by Yasser Arafat and that such ‘territories’ don’t really exist at all.
Have things changed?
The purpose of this mail to share with you a unique piece of writing in Urdu press which builds a strong case in favour of Jewish community all over the world. It is 4 th in the series of 4 articles written by Mr. Nayyer Khan (link attached) who, first time in the history of Urdu press, has presented and advocated the case of Jewish community in the world. I hope you’d love to circulate it among like-minded people in your community. This article is in Urdu you may read it after translation thanks link is
Pakistan is an Islamic country and since its creation, state is promoting hatred against all non-Muslims groups living in Pakistan as well all over the world.
Taliban’s ideology is prevailing in the country. Mainstream media is also playing in the hands of extremists and from the last many decades it continues glorifying Taliban.
Monthly Nia Zamana is an only liberal magazine in Urdu, which is trying to promote the dialogue culture and tolerance in the society.
The purpose of this mail to share with you a unique piece of writing in Urdu press which builds a strong case in favour of Jewish community all over the world. It is 4 th in the series of 4 articles written by Mr. Nayyer
Could you send me the Honest Reporter in Spanish???
Chuck, Is the above response to something that I have written here? Although I do have one foot , no toe, in Hollywood, I’m not acquainted with the shows you mentioned. I HAVE said somewhere this week that I thought that, rather than all the scattershot replies to the increasing numbers of wildly imaginative lies of Muslims and their sympathizers, it might be more effective to develop ONE high energy (Jon Stewart type) weekly program (repeated throughout the week) that would draw world interest and get the lies nailed and entertain at the same time.There would be a lineup of eager advertisers. Folks would have just ONE place to look for the truth, a fact check.
You should put the same pressure as you did on Comedy Central, towards the Fox Broadcasting Company, Cartoon Network and Seth MacFarlane, the creator of Family Guy which has many outrageously satirical references and tidbits that often lampoon Jews. Their portrayal of Mort Goldman and his stereotypically Jewish antics are an affront to the Jews and continue the bias directed toward us.They also lampoon many other peoples in this animated sitcom.
What I DID say was that even though the local Arab laborers make much higher wages working for the Jews than they could make in their own villages, their wages are NOT so high that the Jewish employers feel obliged to invent new technologies or borrow them from other countries. I won’t argue with you about Muslim contributions to civilization, but it is NOT in the average Arab day laborer’s interest to invent anything unless he OWNS the patent, otherwise he would put himself out of work. Please forgive me if I hurt your feelings. That was not my intention. You are aware that in the last 65 years Israel has 7200+ patents; the average Arab country has 30.
Your comment left an unpleasant taste in my mouth. You suggest that the Arabs need to have Isralies invent labor saving devices as though they are not intelligent enough to invent the labor saving devices for themselves. Consider that the Arabs invented algebra, they gave us hey numbering system, and many other technologicaldevices without which today’s modern technology would not exist.
They’re making more money Israel, as you previously had mentioned. If the Arabs want to have labor saving devices they are pretty intelligent enough and it wasn’t enough to bring them to the world. Where are not using labor saving devices for capable of making more money because they have to work more hours. Something to think about. Arabs, if they stopped wasred their time and energy fighting Israel, they might be able to successfully complete with Israel.
Something to think about?
Arabs conquered eastern areas (like India & Persia) North Africa (like Egypt) … who had their own developed culture and sciences. The nomads had almost NO notion of Science, but had the military power of Tyranny and Imperialism.
Under Arab besiege, all nations were forced to write in Arabic, and adopt Arabic NAMES. A phenomena similar to Hellenism forced under Greeks, but much Hasher.
The advancements of India, Persia, Egypt, and even Jews of the Eastern world (see e.g. Ha-ram-bams’ writings) are coined, now, under “Arab” culture.
Algorithm, Algebra, Al-Chimia, are more Persian than Arabic advancements. They have introduced mainly long-standing 1300 year, war & Abuse.
In any craft where intensive labor is employed, whether farming or building, there is no impetus to develop technologies to do the work cheaper, faster, and better. Although Israel’s Arabs may earn four times as much as they might in their own villages, as long as they available, then Israel makes no effort to seek or devise technologies that would replace the Arab or other labor. This impedes progress. I would like to see a much enlarged Gaza on Negev and Sinai lands which could constitute a State of Palestine with most of Arabs from Judea and Samaria. Israel would be obligated to devise new technolgies. My home in Israel is totally factory built and delivered on site. It’s excellent!
I agree with golda Meir who said that (paraphrasing) until the Palestinians are economically level with Israel there will not be any peace. It is not important for Israel at this time to increase productivity in such a way. It is important for young Palestinians to want to live for something else other than fighting a prolongued fight which is not of their or young Israelies’ making
Dear Diane and Sphardi: “Agree with Golda”
Sorry to disappoint you. In this part of the world Middle East, the issue is NOT level of ECONOMY. Neither it is about Social/Economical WELLBEING.
In our swamp, by laws of SHRIIA, the main issue is TOTAL OWNERSHIP over LAND, AUTHORITY, CONTROL of MIND (freedom of thought, idea, religion) and (ARAB/MOSLEM) DOMINANCE over the rest
Yessss, they want higher level of economy. But they like it to be handed to them by non-Muslims (Christian, Jewish, Infidel) subordinates (SLAVES, ideally), as part of their duty!
They thrive to TAKE as much as possible (even your life and children), but GIVE? … as little as possible…
In principle, Golda was certainly correct. No doubt. But I would point out that as long as contractors and builders don’t use innovative labor and hi-tech features, then building is unnecessarily expensive and lacking in insulating and fuel saving features. Beyond a certain point, it becomes patronizing and regressively Levantine if we fail to use hi-tech.
HR 04042013 Continue
Dear Sphardi and Diane: “Agree with Golda”
Sorry to disappoint you, again!
IN our wonderful swamp…
They thrive to TAKE but GIVE as little as possible (as little as keeping the subordinates/slaves alive).
In order to keep that process rolling (JIHAD), they are taught (by most of MUFTIES, SHEIKHS, AKHONDS, etc.), every day and moment, to go kill (to become GHAHRMAN = hero), or be killed (to become SHAHID = martyr).
Most of their wealth is spent in maintaining this cycle (of never-ending violence and bloodshed).
The western notion of WELLBEING (Golda Meir’s and Moshe Dian’s utopia), has NO chance to survive in the swamp in which we live…
http://972mag.com/watch-al-jazeera-takes-on-the-bus-debate/67342/ I wonder if Honest reporting can give us some perspective on segregated busses in Israel..thank you.
Ellen. This is old news but the bus thing was about Arab construction workers having to get to work by sherut private jitney cabs that weren’t dependable and foolishly expensive. Instead special busses were provided with greater regularity,that went through their neighborhoods, and at lower prices. Nothing more sinister.
Folks fail to understand that more than half of Israel’s Jews were expelled from Arab countries after 1948, and after up to 2600 years in the Arab world, are often indistinguishable from Arabs. Yet I have never seen any hostility that would be inevitable in such a situation.
Please, see at below link what it seems to be a biased photo by Jaafar Ashtiyeh/AFP
Legend-partial: Palestinian boy running from Israeli border guard…
Please, note: the guards are not running after the boy, they stand still…
As it states,
• The British Mandate government briefly banned its performance in 1919 due to Arab anti-Zionist political activity.
• In 1944, Czech Jews spontaneously sang it at the entry to the Auschwitz-Birkenau gas chamber and, as reported by a member of the Sonderkommando, were beaten by SS guards.
The link is clear, the Arabs were against Hatikvah before there was Israel or even before the myth of Palestinian people. Furthermore, Jews sang it while being led to their death. How dare anyone allow individuals to leave in protest during Hatikvah with the canard they are commemorating the Holocaust but against the State of Israel. Just keep quoting Dr Martin Luther King, Jr “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism.”
RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG
The Canadian union has no idea what is going on in Israel regarding Palestinian-Israelis. If they did any research, the union would know how proud Palestinians living in Israel are of being Israelis. In addition, the majority of Palestinians living in “the territories” have no intention of moving anywhere. Honest Reporting should take a hard look at CUPW.
Most CUPW members are blissfully ignorant of what transpires in the Middle East.
They neither know nor care with a very few exceptions.
It is the union bosses who are virulent antiSemites.
The followers follow without thinking.
Successful outcome of complaint to Irish Broadcasting Authority following the ‘cancer’ remarks on Irish TV by Vincent Browne.
Although I entered my name & email, and received a response thanking me for signing up, there was no link!
Obama is no friend of Israel
The American people are friends
As an Israeli/American or an American/Israeli, I do NOT appreciate all the childishly derisive comments concerning my president! I did NOT vote for the man nor for anyone, having had no choice, but, he was certainly the only choice over Mr. Romney. BUT, discussion here should never degenerate into name calling and wild accusations! The Second Temple fell because of ???? ???? (baseless hatred) and will not rise again until we fulfill our responsibilities and work toward Tikkun Olam-repair of the world.
I have long been an advocate of HR’s courageous and important work. One of the reasons they have so succeeded to make a real difference is their upholding to fact and to good journalism.
I agree. It sems that Obama cannot do enough good things for America and Israel, even as he goes relentlessly after al’Queda operatives. Drone attacks are up 500% over the Bush administration. You tell that to an anti-Obama partisan in my neighborhodd and he will reply that it was Bush who laid the groundwork for the drone attacks. You can’t win for losing. We should give the man credit for attacking, arresting, and killing terrorists. Even a Republican, Congressman Peter King, gave Obama credit for going after al’Queda, and King did not mention Bush even once in his praise for Obama. If only FDR had gone after the Nazis in1936 like BHO has been going after al’Queda from 2009 to 2013.
The Muzlims and President hussain Ovomit have one thing in common: Everything for me
sent in by Jules
Here is an interesting URL: http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/new_jersey.htm
It shows the comparative size of New Jersey and Israel.
Subscribe and you’ll get it.
The link for your free e-book did not show up, please forward the link to my email.
I look forward to reading you material, I’m quite frankly very tired of the anti Israel leanings of most of the Western press…Israelis look after themselves, yes undoubtedly, but they don’t blow themselves up in crowded markets believing they will have servants in the after life. No one seems to get that.
I did add a comment a while ago.
I have been an HonestReporting subscriber for 3 years. How do I get my own free copy of The Israeli-Arab Conflict e-book?
Try the main honestreporting.com page. Else, contact AIPAC, I’m certain they can help.
This is a short video. This video is of British MP George Galloway. He is a whole new level of anti-semitism. The minute he hears that the person he is going to debate is Israeli, he gets up and declares that he will never talk to an Israeli since he does not recognize Israel. Furthermore, I checked his facebook page. It is filled of so much filth and hate, I wonder how a person like that can call themselves a humanitarian. Unfortunatly his actions are being ignored since he still stands in the British Parliament. I hope this video gets around the web, so at least if he is not gonna be shamed the Parliament will be for keeping him there.
You have to know that he was elected in Bradford East- A highly populated Muslim area of Pakistan descendants. As long as he dos not put himself in bad light with them as he did with his Bangladesh voters in Bethnal Green. Thats when he went on TV`s Big House and lowered himself in front of a “Woman” to drink imaginary milk from her hand. They will elect him again.
Yes he is in my opinion a vile anti-Semite which he disguises as ant-Zionism.
However he debates with a false passion which an audience will fall for every time-
Some what like Adolf Hitler.
As I’ve mentioned before, it is Jew haters like that piece of garbage is what knits us together. I thank Hashem for the Jew haters of the world; each one keeps us closer to each other.
The British leaders are former supporters of Adolph Hitler! The “Royal Family” is related to the Germans; what can we expect from those Nazi followers?
One “diplomat” referred to Israel as that “shitty little country” and another Brit was sitting around some fancy people and said, “The Jews have been asking for it and thank god we can now say what we think.” (Small g intended)
Not all Brits hate us, just the so-called high brows. Again, thank Hashem for their hate…it keeps us together.
The Jews who were forced to leave Muslim countries should be compensated for their
and the Palestinian Arabs should be compensated at the same time. Various estimates suggest a kind of 2:4 or 5 ratio of assets to be considered. I suspect that it’s more like a 2:9 ratio. I’m fascinated at the prospect of comparing two refugee peoples and how their dislocations are or are not being resolved: one peoples has been used as a propaganda tool to a highly damaging effect on the refugees and their descendants; the other, even more disadvantaged, still manages to forget their injuries and move on so that they and others no longer think of them as ever having been refugees at all. Compare the mental health and productivity of the two sets of refugees and effects of propaganda.
First the Arabs that fled did so on command of their Arab leaders- After the 48/50 war Israel offered to take back another , I think, 150000- Remembering that nearly 200000 did not run. They refused the offer-
And I think you will find that Jordan and Egypt were offered compensation to take the refugees into their citizen ship. It was politically more acceptable to keep them as refugees.
The Jews in the Arab lands were chased out- There is a difference.
I speak as a Jew living in Israel, nonetheless when one is negotiating, one must consider both points of view. We know that in many instances in 1948 the Jews and British called on the Palestinian Arabs to stay put as in Haifa, but most got the League message that if they fled for a short time, on their return, they would acquire all the properties of the Jews they expected to conquer. Most Arabs were either frightened or greedy or both and left the area. My own guess is that many others left because they had come from Arab lands to work for the Mandate from 1922 to 1947, and with the departure of the British, they realized that there would be little or no work for them. Refugees?
I concur with the bulk of your post-
However your point “…when one is negotiating, one must consider both points of view…”
What point of view regarding the Arab side do you wish us to consider?
I wouldn’t presume to know what they discuss in private with our negotiators, but they are convinced that it is THEIR LAND and they simply can’t hear us when we say that it is OUR LAND. I’m not sure whether it is cunning or madness that guides them. Maybe the Koran inspires both. It’s possible that both sides see each other as irrational and wrong.
Certainly the fact that the League caused both sides, meaning Mizrahim and PalArabs, to lose heavily should show that the Jewish losses have been far greater e.g. 5 billions to Arab 3 billions if you want to use 1948 dollar figures. We cannot hope to resolve the issues if we rigidly assume the moral highground (even if we KNOW we’re right!)
I am afraid I do not think that there is an option- Nothing to do with morals -just survival-
For day by day the Muslim Brotherhood gains ground. Its no secret their one ideology is a Caliphate- there is no negotiation- there is no compromise.
To quote Hamas’ foreign minister, Mahmoud Al-Zahar, recently conducted
television interview in which he once more set out Hamas’ rejection of Israel’s right to exist. He argued that ‘Palestine in its entirety is Islamic waqf land, which cannot be relinquished’:
‘At this moment in time, we say to you, first of all: We want Palestine in its entirety – so there will not be any misunderstandings.
Although I have sympathy for those Arabs who left of their own free will because their mufti told them that all the Jews would be killed and they could return in a week or so. NOT! So NOW, 65 years later WHY do the Arabs still sitting out in so-called refugee camps? (They’re cities, not camps)
More Jews were kicked out of Arab lands with two choices–die or leave–with NOTHING but what they could carry. How did a tiny, smaller than New Jersey, absorb all the Jews who wanted to enter Israel when NONE of the Arab countries permitted NONE of their fellow Arabs to enter their countries?
Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3A6_qSBBQ and find out the facts involved.
Hatkivah is, has, and always will be the Israeli national anthem. No changes will or should be EVER accepted by anyone. If an Iman sits during the playing of Hatikvah, he should be removed instantly. We’ve had enough insults from Arabs.
Not always, only since the 17th century (melody, and 19th century (lyrics). The following is from aish.com:
What we think of as a Jewish melody, actually dates back to the 17th century, and its roots are Italian. Composer Giuseppino Del Biado (d. 1616) is credited with the tune in his song, “La Mantovana” which starts. “Fuggi, fuggi, fuggi dal questo cielo” (“Flee, flee, flee from this sky”),.
We do know the lyrics were adapted from the nine-stanza poem, “Tikvateynu” (“Our Hope”) written in 1877 by poet Naphtali Herz Imber (1856-1909) from Galicia, in the wake of the establishment of Petah Tikva, one of the first Jewish settlements in Ottoman Palestine.
Wow! I never knew that, thank you for adding to my education. In any event, it has become the anthem of Jews all over the world. Gotta love those Italians! (And I do, most of my friends in high school were my gumbas.)
RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG will not attend and boycott if imam sits during hatikvah.
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Rabbi Bernhard Rosenberg says omitting the Israeli anthem from the Holocaust commemoration would be “giving in to the current atmosphere of anti-Semitism.”
There is a name for a man like that but being one who shuns lashon hara, I’ll not say it.
Hatkivah is the international anthem of Judaism! To omit it because of something that has been around since Abraham avenu spoke of only ONE G-d, we’ve been up an unsanitary canal without a means of propulsion.
Jew-hate, to use the PROPER words is partly what has kept us together all these years. The more they hated us, the closer we clung to our traditions including Shabbat! The more my Hebrew books were torn up and flushed down the toilet, the more I appreciated being Jew…and then I learned “JEWdo” That turned the Jew-hate into a deeper love of being Jewish and scared the cowards.
Recently, I had the opportunity to speak with small group of non-Jews who were making noises about the “poor Palestinians.”
At all times, I am prepared to show videos that show the truth about the situation. Not a single one of those people were cognizant of the fact that more Jews were displaced than Arabs. None of them realized that there was no such a group known as “Palestinians.”
My Kindle Fire HD has several MP4 videos that can be hooked up to a HDMI projector or large-screen television. One woman said, “Then what you are saying is that that Arabs have been lying, is that true?” The laughter that followed her comment was satisfying.
But there were a group called Palestinians before 1948, and they consisted, amongst others, of a large number of Jews. My mother corresponded with her cousin in Palestine, and the mail from her cousin always had a stamp showing the Mosque of Omar, which sits atop the rock where Abraham was ready to sacrifice Isaac, and the word “Palestine” was written on the stamp, in English, Hebrew, and Arabic. My mother promised me that, some day, I would be able to visit her cousins in Palestine. “Palestine” was the destination of Zionists for many years.
Absolutely correct and there was the , I think 3rd, Palestinian Brigade in WW2 all Hebrews.
However also in 1920 when Abdullah become King of Trans Jordan the stamps produced with his head on also had the word “Palestine” embossed on them.
But there was never a country called Palestine- ever.
For other than Jordan being “Palestine” with a king and ruling government- No other part had a ruler , a capital, a parliament- a financial institution- It was ruled by Britain after WW1 and for 400 years prior by Turkey.
The Palestine Brigade was organized in 1917. This is from Wikipedia:
The Palestine Brigade of the Royal Flying Corps, and later Royal Air Force, was formed 5 October 1917 in respose to General Allenby’s request for an air formation for his planned offensive against the Ottoman Empire in Palestine.
Also, from Wikipedia:
The Zionist Commission was formed in March 1918 and was active in promoting Zionist objectives in Palestine. On 19 April 1920, elections were held for the Assembly of Representatives of the Palestinian Jewish community. The Zionist Commission received official recognition in 1922 as representative of the Palestinian Jewish community.
Cant argue with that- Still there has never been a state or country called Palestine- One ruled by the democratic election of a people- The area was from the time of the Roman conquest administered by another power- Then places like Syria, Lebanon, Jordan came along in the 20th century and finally Israel after the Arabs turned down, out of hand partition and the establishment of a Palestinian state in 1947-
Its “Old Hat” but thats how it is.
But…but…but.. there has been a state called Israel long before 1948. For starters, Israelites settled in Canaan in 1200 BCE. And surely you must have heard of King Saul, who was the king of Israel in 1020 BCE. And King David, who ruled over a united Israel from 1000 BCE to 961 BCE. You must enable yourself of a timeline of ancient Israel, and you must not listen to the deniers, who would have you believe that Israel, as a country, just popped up out of nowhere in the 20th century.
Saul whose denying? Not me.
Of course there was an Israel- However the Romans conquered it- and changed the name. As I see it the area uniquely had been an occupied Israel for over 2000 years. Until the 20th century the whole area had been administered by a foreign power of one form or another.
You are absolutely correct…to a degree. The Palestinians were JEWS, not Arabs.
My Torah Partner has her mother’s Palestinian passport when she emigrated to the U.S. The “Jerusalem Post” was the “Palestinian Post,” the Israeli Post Office was the Palestinian Post Office.
I am certain that you know that the Romans renamed Judea and Samaria and the rest of the land of Israel after the Jew’s old enemies, the Philistines. The interesting part of all of that is that NO INDEPENDENT COUNTRY EVER EXISTED IN PALESTINE! NONE. ZERO. ZAP.
The ONLY independent country to EVER exist in that land is the Jewish nation, now called Israel.
If it was at the instigation of the Arab League that five Arab armies invaded Israel in 1948 and ordered the Palestinians out their path, and if it was the League that sought revenge for failure by ordering the expulsion of Jews from eleven Arab countries resulting in the expropriation of their properties, why is it that we are conducting negotiations with Abbas? It should be with the Arab League. It’s taken us 64 years to get to this point. Will it take another 64 years for our Jewish brothers from the Arab world to have their assets and land restored or compensated for?
We’re speaking of lands five times the size of Israel. The Arab League should not be so sneaky and cowardly.
I’d like to make a comment and also to refer you to Iran Nuclear plan.
here is an article from IEEE:
What do you think!
This website is such a waste of time – pathetic! stumbled across it after researching and can’t believe my eyes… what a huge load of ****
I tried to make a donation but was surprised to get the following message:
“You are not authorized to view this page
The Web server you are attempting to reach has a list of IP addresses that are not allowed to access the Web site, and the IP address of your browsing computer is on this list.”
I can only assume that all Malaysian IP address have been placed on your ban list. It might interest you to know that not all Malaysians are Muslims, only a few are rabid Muslims, and there are large numbers of Chinese and Indian people in Malaysia who possess completely apolitical and/or liberal views.
I trust you will rectify this issue soon.
Israel is not a new country. It has been there since the history begin.Read your Torah-Old Testament.Yes I am a Jew too ,yet as a Minister of Christ saying this,Israel’s land ,borders are clearly marked in Bible.People of Israel have and will have heavenly right where thy will build their homes .It indeed surprises me that foreign countries meddling in to sovereign right of territory of my peoples borders of Israel. Yet observe , UN standing there with crossed arms ,and dos nothing.Is the world been blinded so badly.Awake Kings,Quins,Presidents,Prime Ministers and help to solve this issue once for all.Israel deserves to live in peace ,harmony and good relation with international trade .
Elsewhere it has been pointed out how disastrous many second term presidencies have proven.
Unfortunately for us all, the events in Mali have the gravest consequences for all the Western World. Bird-in-the-mine Israel has been trying to warn us all for more than sixty years. Now we are all about to reap the whirlwind. Mr. Obama’s bad luck with the US gun issues and his preoccupation with school safety is dangerously divisive at a time when he needs all the good will of all sectors of American society.
The concept of democracy has been misused almost universally. The US is supposed to be a representative republic; mob hysteria and mob rule are not what we had hoped to sell the world.
Thanks so much for your free e-book which I recently downloaded. Thanks also, for your excellent website. You have opened my eyes to what biased, anti-Israeli media we are constantly being fed. Now every time I hear the news, my ears are tuned for it. Wow, it’s non-stop here, and we never hear the Israeli viewpoint. Thanks for the great work you are doing.
There goes the New York Times again!. In a news story published on page 1 in the January 13, 2013 edition, concerning the confirmation hearings of Senator Chuck Hagel for secretary of defense, the writer, Jim Rutenberg, blames the “neoconservatives” for blocking the senator’s confirmation. In case anyone should be perplexed by the meaning of the term “neoconservative,” there follows in the article, a few illustrious examples: William Kristol, Sheldon Adelson, Elliot Abrams, Daniel S. Loeb, Rachel Loeb, Paul D. Wolfowitz, Richard N. Perle, Michael Goldfarb, Get it? The only thing different about all these men is that they don’t all attend the same shul.
Has any body, media rep or person done anything about the You Tube sh-t film where Michael Harris does a broadcast for Iran T.V. that Israel is guilty for the tragic killing of all the children in the school in Newton. Why is it still available. It MUST be removed. Unfortunately it seems that I am not a member of You Tube I cannot post a complaint. Honest Reporting MUST take action of you have not done so!!
Israel uber Hussain Obama
The long term senator from Hawaii’s funeral is there, but news is that Obama is coming back sooner.
F16? I’m confident that Israel has modified theirs, and the Israeli pilots are the best trained in the world. I’m not blood thirsty but I’d like to see a match. You may remember how Israel knocked out several Syrian planes (probably manned by USSR) in the first few minutes of their duel.
So what if Obama takes a vacation in Hawaii? After all, it’s the state in which he was born, and is part of the USA. And 2012 has been a rough year for him. Remember the election? He is expected to cut his vacation short to work on the Fiscal Cliff. This business about sending F-16′s to Egypt, I do not believe that he is the first president to do this. It has to do with the balance of power in that region, mainly between Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Egypt. No sensible person believes that it is in Israel’s best interest to go against Iran alone. Just look at a map of that region, and compare the size of Israel (8000 square miles) with the size of Iran (636,000 square miles).
No sensible person would believe that the Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt will help Israel against Iran. The F-16′s pose a threat to Israel and the Moslem Brotherhood is tied to the terrorist group Hamas.
While we would prefer that the US not give Egypt the F16, it is really a toy to make the Egyptians feel loved and secure. It’s an older technology, not the F35s that Israel has ordered. Plus the Israeli pilots are supposed to be the best trained in the world. We may remember how a covey of Russian planes ostensibly flown by Russian pilots for Syria were all destroyed by the Israelis in the first moments of battle.
I repeat myself silly: the real enemy of both the Palestinian Arab refugees and Israel is the Arab League and it is they who should be sitting at the negotiating table. They sent troops in 1948, put Arabs in UNRWA camps, and ordered expulsion of 850,000 Jews from Arab lands.
Moslem sheik Obama is enemy to both the United States and Israel. He is taking a $4,000,000 Hawaiian vacation when American citizens taxes will be going up January 1, 2013 since he hates capitalism, he is out to destroy America and the media praises him. Obama is also out to destroy Israel. Obama delievers F-16′s to the Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt come January 2013.
Israel has asked Obama for the green light to attack Iran’s nuclear sites BEFORE the Iranians got advanced Russian rockets. Now the Syrians have transported advanced S-300 rockets the Russians have given Assad to Iran their allies.
Obama vision is an America without borders or jobs so he can advance his New World Order goals.
No matter what, Israel must stand firm.
We are expected to sign peace treaties with foes who only want to exterminate us? and don’t even admit we exist!!!!
When in Europe it is 1939 all over again!!
With the exception of Canada, the world could not care less if Israel and Jews did not exist, so we must take care of our own needs, first and last.
Am yisrael chai!!!!!
Ah zolchen vey. Vy u do dot? You hate? Hell has room for u. Please go
In the December 21st issue of the New York Times the second editorial is headlined, “The Fading Mideast Peace Dream.” One passage in it refers to the E1 area and says, “Ei area – a project northeast of Jerusalem that would split the West Bank and prevent the creation of a viable contiguous Palestinian state.” I read somewhere that this newspaper admitted earlier that the E1 area would not block such contiguity. Why is its editorial contradicting the newspaper’s earlier findings?
This is certainly not new at the Times! Unfortunately, this very influential paper allows itself shoddy journalism and esp in respect to Israel.
Hooray for genuine Jews. They fight for their rights. That way they won’t be left out
Guys, you do a terrific job and we support you all the way (also with monetary donations). I only want to suggest to add somewhere on your site an option to change email. I had to unsubscribe in order to subscribe again with a diff email.
IS NOT YOUR COMMENDABLE WOR K ADDRESSED TO
THOSE WHO AGREE WITH YOU..
Thank you so much for your constant contribution and reliable information!
I also just found in the google search results of the words “ISRAEL MEDIA”:
–> “HUFFINGTON POST” speaks DIRECT ANTISEMITISM:
” Israel ‘Media Bunker’ Peppers Internet With Propaganda Tweets And …
Nov 21, 2012 … JERUSALEM (AP) — The Israeli government is trying to pre-empt a publicity pounding over its Gaza offensive by aggressively pushing out its … ”
–> Also, that same Huffington Post already tried this summer to disciminate Obama for his Cannabis smoking when he he was young. I treated that on my own newspaper, the Hebrew Hero on Wix dot com:
Wix DOT com SLASH HebrewHero SLASH AgainstAntisemitism
PUT the AMERICANS in the ROLE of ISRAEL, and THEN LET’S SEE !!! — THAT is what we have to tell them.
AMERICANS, DO LET YOURSELVES BE SUICIDE BOMBED BY ALKAIDA JIHAD HIZBOLLA HAMAS if you want, BE OUR GUEST.
that would “DO THE TRICK”, you know.
they can either do NOTHING against TERRORISM, and then, usa IS in the SCHITT anyway, soon, OR, they can GET THEIR SCHITT TOGETHER and stop treatin us Jews like the small dog or GOAT to PUT THEIR OWN SINS OF VIETNAM on. Jews were MURDERED by MILLIONS by HITLER and before that already BY HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS by KING RICHARD, the INQUISITION, the ROMANS, THE EGYPTIANS, THE BABYLONIANS ,,,, and now the IRISH “TIMES”.
David…. Melech Jisrael…. chai, chai, wekajam… David Melech Jisrael, chai chai wekajam, David Melech Jisrael, chai CHAI WEKAJAAAM !!!
I can actually anytime, well not anytime haha but when I’m exercised, participate in and win a contest for the best, the most natural, original interpretation of that song and other Jewish songs, my favorite:
TZUR MISHELO ACHALNU — but NOT that common MAJOR melody, nono, please not, ey. it’s FUKKKKIN stupid yo. !!! No, the OTHER, much older one, which is in MINOR, my Dearies. It’s held in the exact tones of “the orient”, the good ol oriental 1-3-1 halftone pattern line. … I heard it and will listen to it on the plane to israel: HED ARZI ! Arzeinu.
Dear Madam Kurtin,
Dear Dr. Otero,
I am very proud on You and for myself sad now. I don’t have a doctor’s
degree, but I am surely an intellectual. Your statements are the most
valuable ones, most comments here are excellent, because only, or,
almost only such people come here, who intend to help and support Israel
“Hamas” men have two weeks ago (Nov 2012) murdered six Palestinians
on the very streets of Gaza! They shot them in the head for being alleged
“spies”, and DRAGGED one of them on a ROPE tied to one of their motor-
bikes, through the streets of Gaza.
In most cases, the outside world press is reporting totally abusively about
the so-called “israel-palestine” conflict, biased in favor now, since Obama
took the american throne, of not the Palestinians, but in favor of the “Hamas”,
a murder and terror organisation whose declared and just two days ago
on the 9th December 2012 by the hamas chief called “Meshaal” repeatedly
mentioned goal and aim it is, to actually DESTROY Israel, to KILL ALL
JEWS and to WIPE THEM, ISRAEL AND THE JEWS, “OFF THE MAP”.
As some other excellent Person here above also comments upon, many,
foremostly Gazan, but also Westbankian schools — AND online profiles
of Palestinians!!! — feature maps which are all in the exact “JIHAD”-Green,
all over the territory of the WHOLE of Israel, and Palestinians claim to
be “NOT IN ISRAEL, but IN PALESTINE”.
Rabin was murdered by either hamas, jihad, or by other jewish ultra-orthodox
not better than alkaida maniacs, for the sole purpose as Ghandi and ML King
and JFK and Anwar El Sadat were murdered (“assassinated”): to keep peace
from happening. So people die, and they die, are murdered, because of the
hatred of people who are actually already dead, and have given their hatred,
passed it on, to their offspring. Many Muslims in the muslim countries
are brainwashed into hailing suicide bombing against Israel. — AND against
USA too, but…. you know, since 911, nothing BIG happened, and Michael
Moore, the only “stupid white” man, is quite successfully soothing the ears
of that buncha half-weirdos over there if you asketh me, “yo”, as ” ‘ Bummer”
always says in between… and then some referee-style words seemingly
defending Israel, but also slamming it: ” Hamas rockets are no good, but
not either escalation of conflict by Israel”, says the US President.
I think Jews in Israel are not happy about Obama. He should also in my view
take much more a pro-Israel stance, and if the whole world sees, that with
him, it doesn’t come from himself, from his heart, but because other (good!
- and not only Jewish!) People force him to, then, that is NOT good, all in all.
Or maybe, no one forces him. I don’t think so. Frankly. !
My nose is twitchin now endlessly, and incessantly. Will go train myself in
Star Wars Battlefield Two. Yoda You Summon. Here I am !
Dear Jewish and anti-racist People.
Yahoo has just deleted the entire comments section at an article of theirs about the “Jewish representatives in the US congress declining”, where there was a total of only FOUR comments by commentators in the comments section, and ALL four of them spoke BLUNT antisemitism.
Ten of the Thirteen Brothers and Sisters of my hungarian Grandmother were gased in auschwitz, and only two years ago in 2010, explicitly antisemite, JEW-HATING and PRO-HITLER young MUSLIMS broke my nose and split my lip and ended my singer career. My face had to be sown together again.
The US media treats hamas’ murders and calls to destroy Israel, as child’s play. On purpose!
An impression that may or may not have any validity is that historically successive religions tend to give themselves a differentiating boost by rejecting or ridiculing the religion that they mean to supercede e.g. Christianity, Muslimism, Lutheranism. They usually begin by trying to be inclusive of Jewry, but when rejected by the Jews, they heap columny upon Jewry. Their followers can’t discern the fact that this was just a launching strategy seeking adherents for the new religion and not indisputably an inherent flaw in Jewish dogma. Literal bumpkins don’t recognize the strategy but use it to rationalize and perpetuate their own Jew hatred.
The United Arab Nations and its allies, most of the European Union countries, exist for one reason and one reason only: To destroy the ONLY Democracy in the Middle East. Israel has been castigated more than any other country for human rights violations including countries such as China, North Korea, and every Arab country.
Every Arab country is APARTHEID, Israel is NOT. Does Israel screw up at times? Of course, but compared to the horrendous human rights violations in Communist and dictatorship countries, Israel is clean as a whistle.
Jew-hate is the basic reason behind anti-Israel movements. The late Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. said it clearly: Anti-Israeli actions are antisemitism.
Israel’s UN Ambassador Ron Prosor said it: we must negotiate the 1948 Palestine Arab issue, but we must also negotiate the 1948 matter of the 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands. Both groups deserve justice at long last.
It makes little sense to negotiate one issue without the other. They are related, cause and effect events.
Unfortunately not enough people are going to read this thread and most of the world’s press is anti Israel, thruth be damned.
Does the Associated Press know(or care) that Gaza is NOT occupied? Israel left Gaza unilaterally-all that Israel got in return is rockets and missiles. American Jews paid for the greenhouses so the Gazans could use them. When the Israelis left, the Palestinians destroyed the greenhouses instead of using them for a wonderful resource for their people. I know this is “old news” , but I many people, the world over, believe Gaza was left as a wasteland .
I’ve never seen the Gaza shoreline, but drove Israel’s wondrous Herzlia to Bat Yam coastal beach park line yesterday, and it beats anything I’ve ever seen on any other beach areas of the Mediterranean or Southern California. I hadn’t seen it for more than fifty years. What beauty! What artistry! I am confident that the Gaza shoreline like Israel’s will make many an investor a millionaire once they put their imaginations to tourism or better purposes. I can’t help but believe that many a Hamas leader isn’t secretly buying up shoreline property there while keeping the public diverted with hate sloganeering.
HR Dec10, 2012 Gaza Shore as Income source
They despise foreigners. They want Western’s money. Not the Westerners or Culture.
Not only Hamas-Land, but also countries occupied by Militant, Fundamentalist Islam (Saudi-a, Libya, Sudan, Iran, and even new Turkey and Egypt).
Rulers gain control, confiscate land, & International Aid, forget obligation to people’s wellbeing, keep them poor & measurable, so that International Community send them more aid and money …
They don’t seem to suffer from the situation, so long as they dream to annihilate Non-Muslims (especially the Jewish) States, accompanied by loud: “Allah-o Akbar”
Israel prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 17:1 stated Damascus will become a ruinous heap. (1) Assad lives in Damascus (2) Downtown Damascus has a large chemical factory. It seems like this prophecy will take place in front of our very own eyes. Know anyone in Damascus? Tell them to leave this city at once. Assad is mad and most likely will target Israel before Israel destroys Damascus.
Will the Jews ever realize that the majority of the world and the United Nazis hate Judaism and will never take kindly to Jews. What happenen when Gaza was given to the garbage people? They torched the nursuries and clean buildings that the stupid Jews gave to them. Now the United Nazis and Hillary Clinton are pushing Israel to the brink again. If Israel does not stand up to the evil that surrounds them they deserve to lose
I wonder sometimes if it isn’t much like the students in a classroom hating a classmate who always has the answer, always gets the A’s, is teacher’s pet, and gets all kinds of prizes. They’d rather see him knocked into the mud as often as possible so that they can feel good about themselves. I’m sure that his classmates would like him to take it personally, but maybe if he could join them in laughing at himself and not take himself so seriously. Naw! That wouldn’t work either. Maybe if he could jump off a cliff, they could go back to being dysfunctional fools.
HR Dec 10, 2012 Hatred to non-Muslims
“I wonder sometimes if it isn’t much like the students in a classroom…”
Muslim Fundamentalists Target any and all Non-Mulims, even if the are not those “Bright, Keen, Smart, Students”, that raise envy by class-mates.
Non-Muslims are ALL targeted. Period! As simple as that!
They see it as a prime Religious Obligation (“SAWAB”), far more higher that any other SAWAB!
Hatred to non-Muslims is rooted deep in their scripts.
You are all invited to discover that for yourselves!
I think most of the world’s Jews are aware of how the world feels.
The problem is how to change the attitude of the non Jewish populations.
You are right.
I watch Good News Israel faithuly.
It is refreshing to hear good news instead of bad about Israel.
It is a bright light in a sea of gloom.
If it were only possible to get the Israel denigrators and haters to watch it.
There’s really no point arguing about issues with people who have already made up their mind as to what they believe. Some people will still hear what is being said but these particular people are not going to hear becuse their minds are made up. You cannot .change their views.
But what you can do is change the conversation when these issues come up. Visit free weekly news of Israel’s achievements at http://www.verygoodnewsisrael.blogspot.com and talk about what Israel IS doing to make the world a better place.
HR Dec 8, 2012 “Good Things Israel does”
In an objective, fair, and rational environment you could be right. But alas! None of these concepts are valid in our modern world, under besiege of Fundamental Islamic narrative. In their EYES:
- Your land and mine are theirs, and we are both invaders
- You and I must pay them ransom to be able to exist! Otherwise we are doomed to death by Islamic sword. Except that:
- To save our lives we should submit: either to their will, or become their slaves.
- As slaves we are obliged to bring them profit & relief
They perceiv “Good thing” you do and Israel does, as paying our duty and obligation, & not as humanitarian gesture or favor!
Any competent international lawyer can make the easy case for the settlements. Why beat a dead horse?
It’s the Arab League that’s kept the media pot boiling all these years. But no final and meaningful negotiations can take place until indemnification to the Jews from Arab countries is provided for the huge 1947-67 personal losses they sustained: expropriated businesses and lands acquired over, in some cases, a 2600 year Jewish presence. The outrage committed against those Jews far exceeds any and all Palestinian Arab complaints.
What about the 400,000 Palestinians who were savagely driven out of a Gulf state recently? Where’s UNRWA? Where’s the media?
Shalom.. I will just quote/misquote Barry Williams; I especially like the last sentence! “Your [sic] nothing more than a vile narrow minded racist and do more damage to the love of Israel and Jews that many non Jews have than you know. Sadly your [sic] too arrogant to see above your own self IMPOTENCE.” How interesting to see that this applies to the zionists themselves… Can’t you at least be brave and acknowledge and admit that those settlements are illegal according to the so called international laws, as you boost of being democratic and peaceful nation [zionist entity” … It all boils down to ignorance and bigotry..
“…those settlements are illegal according to the so called international laws,,,,”
as modified, warped and mutated by that Islamic country club called the UN.
HR Dec 9, 2012 A MOSLEM continued
According to MOSLEMS own STORIES and some HISTIRY”
They have conquered many AINCIENT countries (Persia, Assyria, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kashmir, etc. etc.), killing their inhabitants (“infidels”), & taken possession over their wealth.
They have become wealthy enough to buy media, reporters, History re-builders, and writers, to invent and spread their NARRATIVE (STORIES) over and over. And people love FICTION.
One of these invented STORIES is Moslem “ownership”. They have the conviction that they must OWN the universe.
Now it is Israel.
Tomorrow is Europe. The day after is America, Russia, China, Japan etc.
HR Dec 9, 2012 A MOSLEM
Each side in this conflict can quote/misquote many citations.
Nowadays, the center of media is NARRATIVE, instead of REALITY, TRUTH, FACTS of LIFE, HISTORY (= past ACTUALITIES)
Islam, as compared with Christianity, Zoroasteria, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, is a rather young Polito-Religion invented about 1,400 years ago.
But their habit is to deny facts of life that has been existing and documented centuries before, and love to invent and tell STORIES instead HISTORY.
They have attracted many people to their NARATIVE. How?
to be continued
May I please wait for the forthcoming chapter(s) before commenting?
I would appreciate any comment, and specially yours
I am in complete agreement with everything you say.
Now how do we get that information to the rest of the world and how do we convince them of the truth.
I feel the biggest obstacle, other than anti Semitism, is the enormous wealth of OPEC that is being used to bribe not just the media but government agencies, educational facilities, unions and even religious organizations.
Our words are being drowned out by the din of rattling coins and gurgling oil.
Ireland is economically challenged. It can’t meet its financial challenges. In NYC we see much less of Iteland’s exports selling in major department stores. Ireland is suffering from a huge euro 63 debt and has been begging for more bailouts.
Why would Ireland now wish to engage in economic warfare?
When do the Irish citizens who are being harmed by the monsterous economic policies demand better rather than have the media attack Israel. Do we need another “Modest Proposal” by a modern day Swift because Ireland would rather divert attention from its economic woes.
I wonder where were all these nice people when thousands of missile rockets amied at Ashdod Ashklon Sherdort Netivot? Those missiles were tagered at civilians. Is it a war crime?
Also the Mr. Mahmud Abas has been inciting againest Israel and has broken the Oslo agreement for so may time, where were these nice people? Few examples and there more:
- Plastinian autorithy schools teach that there is not Israel, one has just to look at their map.
- They name street after cold blood killer (Jew’s blood does not count)
- They want all the Jews to evacuate the West Bank, but what about the Arabs in our side. Is it not racism?
Those people are jus hypocrites!
Have not herd the Irish or anyone else for that matter- In wanting to boycott Chinese goods-
Remember they killed over 1 million and now occupy Tibet .
Would the Irish feel sympathy to us Finns and boycott Russian products for they occyby our Karelia. We are too scared to talk about it in public. Help would do.
When a Country like Ireland has its own financial problems yet allows Newspapers like The Irish Times to publish negative articles designed to do noting less than incite and which have no bearing upon it;s own financial woes. It might do well to concentrate its readers minds on home affairs and it’s nose out of other Countries problems and hopefully the day when once again
Irish Eyes are Smiling the world might again smile upon them.
Until then their clock continues to tick http://www.financedublin.com/debtclock.php
I sent this comment to the Irish Times:
Before you start with boycotts, you should read a conversation called “No More Taking Sides” with Robi Damelin (Israeli) and Ali Abu Awwad (Palestinian). Transcript at http://www.onbeing.org/program/no-more-taking-sides/transcript/4939#main_content
Ms. Damelin: [re: Caterpillar boycott]…you’re taking that money away from Caterpillar and you’re making a big noise about it so you will unite the right and the left in Israel and they’ll call you anti-Semitic. Is that what you want?
We keep saying, “Stop taking sides. Please do not be pro-Israel, please do not be pro-Palestine. Look for a solution,” because if you’re pro one of us, you’re not helping.
To the editor:
Could you please let me know how to add a comment to the end of the article about the Irish Times. There are 56 comments but no text box to post a comment.
I am sure the lists published by the anti-Israel people don’t mention the componenets of their cell-phones, and computers and the generic drugs in every Irish medcine cabinet. I am also certain that the Irish boycott people don’t give a fig about the Arabs in general and specifically the Arabs who would beconme unemployed as a result of their boycott. What they care about is the very existance of a Jewish state – plain and simple. We are suposed to have been replaced two thousand and twelve years ago this month. And yet we are still here. No boycott will change that.
J. Carpenter – Nazareth, Israel
HR, Dec 3 2012 The 50-50 Palestinian Game 2
You are advised NOT to ask questions: 50% chances you will be ignored, and 50% will be lied to (again, and again, and … again! And you love that, don’t you?)
Also you might want NOT to inquire too much. Because:
There are 50% chance that they might sacrifice themselves as “Shahid”, and 50% chance that they would sacrifice you dear, as infidels or thousands of news reporters who dared to inquire FACTS about “PALESTINIAN” case!
But 50% of you would criticize Israel no matter what, and 50% of you would ignore facts anyways…
Have a good time at least 50% of your life
I wonder if the Irish Times would be so thoughtful as to supply its readers a list of goods made in China. That country has a low standard of human rights, child labor, environmental protection, free speach and an even lower tollerance for criticism. Also China has conquered and subjugated the people of Tibet. Is there any chance at all that the Irish Times would devote three or four thousand pages necessary to list goods made in China for the benefit of those Irish who genuinely empathize with the pain and suffering of their oppressed fellow human beings in China and Tibet? I don’t think so. Would the Irish really stop buying cheap Chinese goods?
J. Carpenter – Nazareth, Israel.
HR, Dec 3 2012 The 50-50 Palestinian Game
To whom who care at least 50%; and the rest who ignore. You can 50% laugh and 50% cry watching the following:
The speaker is no other that Mr. Fat-hi Hamed, a prominent Hamas leader, who serves as the Minister of Interior Affairs of Gaza Strip, representing the “Palestinians”.
He says that “Palestinians are Arabs 50% from Egypt, and 50% from Saudi Arabia…”
50% Chances that he is exaggerating because 40% of “Palestinians are decedents of Jews who have forcefully obligated to convert to Islam
Well, of course 50% of you do not believe him and 50% of you will ignore what he says.
Sharon, I too never get an acknowledgment, however HR has a small staff and they receive hundreds of emails a day. It would be nice if they would have an auto-responder, but they don’t. I don’t particularly care if I get an acknowledgment or not, it’s getting the information to them that I feel is important.
I do not understand why I have had no success contacting HR in the past year. Before this, I would occasionally send the site information on the kind of press materials which they target and would even receive a reply. I don’t get it!
The late Honorouble Terrence Prittie, a former editor of the Guardian,, accused this paper of being a piece of trash. Naturally, on the editorial board, they do have Muslims, which goes someway to explain their anti Israeli bile,
How may I contact Simon Plosker by email please?
I sent off a letter to the Editor of the Guardian after reading his column, and would like to send him a copy.And eventually a copy of their reply…that is if they do reply!
You may send a reply to my email above.
Thank you for all the good work you do, Keep it up!
If they really believe would they have to constantly prove their beliefs to themselves?
I should think true belief would give them the confidence needed so they would not constantly be on the offensive against other beliefs. e.g. Judaism does not attack other religions.
Perhaps “understanding” should be replaced with “recruited”.
I’m sure that there is justice in what you say; however, it’s possible that early polytheistic peoples were much outraged by the Jewish insistence on one God. There is a natural human mechanism at work when you promote a new product as being ” the best, the newest, the least poluting, etc” Hatred is a useful but unimaginative promotional tool as well.
Christianity did this by freeing its early followers of all kinds of Jewish obligations and restrictions in order to attract followers most of whom were Jews. They could make their new religion attractive to additional new adherents by incorporating local beliefs, traditions, superstitions and rivalrous hatred. Nothing new to you I’m sure,
Perhaps they don’t just TRY to believe, but actually DO believe that theirs is the true religion after which they have no difficulty transmitting that belief to successive generations. As acretions of testimonies, legends, ceremonies, holy books are added, the beliefs seem validated.
Unfortunately, some religions gain a special foothold by insisting that they are better than others. Unfortunately, the non-Jewish misunderstanding of Jewish chosenness creates problems for the Jews because chosen has multiple meanings, and those hostile to Judaism fail to understand the burden and responsibility that Jewish chosenness implies.
Most Jews are lucky because, as Jews, they do not have hate imbedded in them as so many goyem have. I say this, because in WW2 I was exposed to so much anti-semitism no matter where I went. couldn’t get away from it. Yet, these same goyem got down on their knees in church to pray to a got damn Jew. Can anyone explain that riddle to me.
I believe that anyone who denigrates or attacks another race or religion or state
WITHOUT JUST CAUSE
does so because theyhe/she has a massive inferiority complex.
The only way they can feel good about themselves is to try to convince themselves that they are superior to others. It never works because they know they are lying so they keep on trying and passing it on to their descendants and any person or group that will listen.
When watching BBC News today at about 9:24 am, they ran a report on the exhumation of Arafat’s body in order to examine it in the light of alleged “Polonium” traces found on clothing he owned prior to his death in 2004. The reporter stated that “The Palestinians” had “said” that they considered Arafat had been poisoned by Israel. This gives an assumptive and beyond implied accusation (conveniently quoting Palestinian statement as definitive & factually sound) that Israel was responsible for his death. I just complained to the BBC about biased reporting. They use direct assertion without even suggesting “allegation” thus acting as judge and jury against Israel. Please investigate this.
Natania, you expect the king of liars to bother using niceties about Israel? Don’t you realize that as one of the smallest minorities in the world, we’re responsible for EVERYTHING? We Jews own all the banks, newspapers, television networks, “Hollywood,” and control everything else?
Being an incredibly wealthy person (I must be wealthy, after all, I’m a Jew and all of us are rich), I deliberately live on less than $20,000 a year because I keep my gold and platinum in an underground vault.
BBC, CNN and the rest of the liars will never bother to tell the truth…the truth does not sell.
I have no access to anyone at HR. This is not good. Please check my request for your help which was emailed yesterday. If you could give me your phone number, things might be easier. Thanks.
Have you ever thought of going to Google and looking at how to contact HR? It tickles me no end that otherwise intelligent people don’t know how to do even the most basic research for themselves, they want to be spoon-fed everything. Sigh…
Let’s face it, Jew-hate is behind ALL of the lies that are told about us. Mah nish tano ha yom hazeh? (Why should today be different?) We are a minority people, we are not even two tenths of one percent of the world’s population. Hamas’ background can trace their concepts to the Nazi SS. Their intention is to “complete what Hitler started.” Their “Grand Mufti of Jerusalem” spent most of WWII in Berlin hanging out with such lovely individuals such as Adolph Hitler, Adolph Eichmann, and Himmler. He spent time at the death camps, learning the finer points of genocide. Hamas and Hezbolah have the identical lineage.
Until they love their children more than they hate us, it will NEVER stop
Today in the NY Times, in an article by Noam Cohen on page A22, he writes, and I quote, ” Barely hours after Israel had killed the head of Hamas’s military wing, Ahmed al-Jabari, leading to Hamas’s firing missiles into Israel . . . ” The words “leading to” are misleading. The statement leaves out the rockets fired by Hamas into Israel prior to the death of al-Jabari. The statement makes it look like Israel’s targeting of al-Jabari happened first and was unprovoked. I see that James Oppenheim in a previous email to you also makes a similar observation about a different writer who also spins facts.
Does anyone else think the article, “The Tunnels of Gaza,” in the December 2012 National Geographic is biased andoffensive?
Now you know that is only the Sudans version!
I cancelled my 30+ year subscription in 1982 when they published an article that was so anti Israel that I could not abide by their stance nor could I any longer have faith in the veracity of any of their articles.
Reuters. reuters. reuters.
Isn’t that the sound of a pig snuffling up garbage?
“It was the November 14 assassination by Israeli forces of Ahmed al-Ja’abari, the head of Hamas’ military wing, that ignited the fighting.”
I thought it started with an anti-tank missile fired at a jeep . . . .
What’s HR’s take? –jso
It started with 11,000 missiles showing Gazans’ gratitude for the gift of land.
It hasn’t ended.
Is it a coincidence that Israel finally reacted a couple of days after Obama was safely reelected?
As though we deferred to the US by not rocking the boat. That’s the least we could do, I guess.
I thought the escalation began when Israel had the temerity to take out an Iranian weapons assembly plant in Sudan.
It would have been interesting to see what the United States would have done if just ONE missile, was fired, say, from Cuba. How many milliseconds would it have taken for the U.S. to retaliate? Israel took hundreds and hundreds of “harmless rockets” (according to CNN and other lying media) before finally having had enough.
I praise them for their long-suffering. Also, while I’m asking questions, what other armed forces in the world WARN CIVILIANS TO GET OUT OF HARM’S WAY hours before attacking? Hamas tells their civilians not to pay attention to the warnings, Israel is just trying to scare them. Yeah, sure they want them killed so they can cry “foul” but ignore Israeli civilian’s dead.
God wants to know what the Hell you are doing messing around with that Hamas trash for! God says it is time to get rid of them!
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“…..know that God is alive and well …..”
Sure he is.
He has just been on vacation these past 3000 years.
Thank you, David. I know you mean well, but you seem to have forgotten that we Jews told the world that there was one God and ONLY one God. He gave us the Torah which we freely gave to the world. Jesus, when he was asked what the most important commandment was said “Hear O Israel, the lord our God is ONE. You shall love the lord your God with all your all your heart and all your soul and all your might, and you shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The word he used means an indivisible ONE.
I sincerely ask you to go to http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org, You will discover that we do not need God, we HAVE him already. Torah says that no man can die for another’s sins, not even Moses. Shalom.
One other thing, David, you refer to fellow human beings as “trash.” While I readily admit that Hamas is an enemy, they are still people, not trash. They are fellow human beings. The book you mentioned was self-published, I suspect that you wrote it, but the author is listed as “God.” BS.
I do not subscribe to hatred of others, like all Jews, I am commanded to love my neighbor as myself. Yes, that does mean my half-brothers, the Arabs. People go about getting what they want the wrong way sometimes. Nobody is perfect, not even who you think is “god.”
Nice to know you hear from God directly. So you know without a doubt what God wants/doesn’t want. Golly, you’re a false prophet.
Hi Guys, thank you for making this site. You must make more aggressive SEO and Social Media work, this site must be seeing by more people around the world. They just don’t understand and don’t really know the situation and facts regarding what is going on here. Please publish the stories here http://ireport.cnn.com/. The worlds opinion about us is really frustrating.
Lots of complaints against dishonest reporting & reporters who distort facts. So, a few questions:
a) Is there in News/Reporting organizations “ombudsmen”? i.e. that impartial civilian authority to whom we readers, can submit our complaints? Why NOT?
b) Are there any penalties by LAW against liars and distorters of facts? Why NOT? Honesty is a good concept. But without any legal tooth against dishonest reporters/agencies has no real value
c) What is the nature of those editors, who
– ignore readers’ questions?
– sell their honesty for MONEY?
– submit to FUNDEMENTAL DICTATORSHIP of CERTAIN masses (e.g. ~1.3 Billion inhabitants of earth)?
Are they “Democracy Watchdogs”? NOT LIKELY!
I am suggesting that the HR staff look at the WKYC-TV (Cleveland) 11/19/12 report of the current situation; it did not present the reason why Israel is “bombing” (WKYC words) the Gaza strip.
The video is at http://www.wkyc.com/%28S%285gc40445twtwgj453gk2liai%29%29/news/article/269891/3/Northeast-Ohio-watching-Gaza-Conflict. If that doesn’t work, Google
WKYC “Northeast Ohio watching Gaza Conflict”.
The trouble with journalists is that they are journalists. They keep a journal, a record of their perceptions, interpretations and feelings and opinions without any regard for the facts or for the truth. A journal is nothing more than a personal diary.
Reporters, on the other hand, are obliged to report what they see with accuracy and honesty and objectivity.
That is why there are so precious few reporters these days.
That is why the news is so twisted and warped and misleading.
It is not really ‘news’. It is merely entries in personal diaries with the biases and prejudices of the authors and nothing more.
truth and educating the public (something all journalists should strive for).
If your publication believe in the power of journalism and accurate dissemination of information, then you will understand my concerns and the urgent need to correct this.
A concerned reader
I wanted to share with you what I wrote to the Huffington Post yesterday…
I am writing to express my disappointment in the quality and standards of articles being published on the current Israeli-Gaza conflict. I have a degree in Journalism and I am trying to still believe that there is such thing as reputable journalism, however the blatant bias portrayed on your publication is so difficult to ignore and overlook.
Your political correspondent Mr Hasan seems to be the main arbiter of truth in the current situation. His writing is uninformed, and I hope that an educated readership will be able to see his personal biases shining through his writing, rather than a desire for..
In an Associiated Press article that appeared in newspapers on Saturday, November 17,2012, Joseph Federman wrote that Israel “triggered the fighting ” that is going on now between Israel and Hamas. Where has he been in recent years? Has he done any research? Does anyone read the AP articles before they publish lies???
Journalism fallacy HR Nov 20th 2012
Innocent people tend to believe that news agencies and reporters are honest, impartial, educated, and seeking truth and facts.
Unfortunately, nowadays, out of these agencies:
- some are economical enterprises who sell everything for MONEY
- some are scared to death in front of brutal attacks of FUNDAMENTALISTS
- some have FATAL misconception about the meaning of DEMOCRACY. MAJORITY BRUTALITY is NOT democracy. and
- some have grown wild to express their own agenda, instead of search for TRUTH
Laws of Journalism need to be revised to minimize such a fatal fall and fallacy.
The media coverage today from the BBC with a picture of Gazans running while under fire from Israel was actually Israeli’s running from rockets in the heart of Tel Aviv on the Tel Aviv beachfront. BBC wouldnt know about honest reporting if their lives depended on it. What a disgrace!!!
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Listening to the BBC news on radio -
Early on Hague foreign minister interviewed made it clear he put responsibility on Hamas-
The female journalist only questioned him on Israels reaction. Mr Hague responded by saying he had asked Israel not to escalate the troubles and that the world had always critised them when they sent in ground forces-
Later in the morning the BBC repeated the interview , left out the initial Hague statement blaming Hamas- and only put out his sentence regarding Ground forces-
D.S.Rai- Listen closer!
Watch this video from a BBC interview about the latest Israel-Hamas conflict.
Fast forward to about 2 minutes and 10 seconds. You see Palestinians carrying a wounded man.
Keep watching till about 2:40, watch carefully because it’s easy to miss it, but you see the same man walking!!! without any injuries!!!
PRAISE ALLAH!!! A MIRACLE!!!!
Firstly, I am neither Jewish or Muslim. This is simply an observation. Why is this site so quick to accuse any media outlet such as for example, the BBC or The Guardian newspaper of being anti-Semitic or anti Jewish just for simply reporting on some issue that might portray Israel in a negative light.
It seems to me to be very unfair and is as if you only want positive news reports regarding Israel.
The BBC is known worldwide for its unbiased reporting of the facts and Honest Reporting seems to be unable to take any criticism of Israel in any shape or form.
D S Rai,
When one is aware of the truth, the actual honest facts, one becomes aware of the gross falsehoods perpetrated by the media that you mentioned and, indeed, most of the western media.
I follow the news closely from media that are pro and con Israel. The New York Times is the medium that supposedly sets the standard for objective reporting as is the BBC. Neither of them can lay claim to that reputation by any stretch of the imagination.
May I respectfully suggest you try doing the same over a period of months or years. Then see if you will feel the same way as you do now.
Sauil Grossman in his letter gives one example of how the media can seem honest yet distort a truth.
D.S., if the NYT is “objective” then I am a 40 foot tall Jacalope, an animal that do not exist. You have NEVER seen a “pro” Israeli report in the Times and you never will.
Forgetting what is going on at the moment, I suggest that you read the Bible. If you are a believer in God, you may want to read where God made an eternal covenant with Abraham. He, God, told Abraham “I will bless them that bless you and curse then that curse you.”
The NYT, BBC, et al are truly cursed for cursing Israel, the ONLY democracy in the Middle East. Name me ONE Arab country that is free, not apartheid, and has no religious freedom. You cannot do that.
HONEST REPORTING exists to point out lies.
D.S., the reason this organization exists is to pay attention to the lies that are told about Israel. If the media organizations did not tell outright LIES, as they currently are telling, there would be no need for Honest Reporting to exist.
Israel has been attacked for days with deadly rockets being lobbed into Israel. How long would YOU wait before taking action to prevent someone from shooting at YOU?
ONLY Israel warns civilians to get out of the areas they are about to hit because the cowardly Arabs hide behind women’s skirts and behind innocent children. They launch their deadly rockets from civilian areas, Israel warns before it attacks…no Arab ever has.
I have monitored the BBC on this subject for many years-
I ask you to consider one item when suggesting that the BBC is “Unbiased” on its reporting with respect to Israel-
Why will they not publish the findings of the Malcom Balen report (in 2004)?- They have spent 10`s of thousands of pounds through the courts to keep it under wrap’s -
This report was commissioned purely because they were accused of anti-Israeli bias, paid for by the tax payer.
So I ask you to write to them and ask for it to be put into the public domain and see, if any what answer you are given?
Then please return and tell us that it is unbiased!
I have noticed how the New York Times has a penchant for printing headlines on Page 1 beginning with prepositions. Apparently they have chosen to make an exception to this in today’s (November 19, 2012) main headline inasmuch as it concerns Israel. Rather than saying:
After numerous rocket attacks by Hamas from Gaza, Israel strikes back,
they chose to say:
Israeli assault into Gaza kills a Hamas leader.
Come on, Grey Lady, I propose that you do not preempt the prepositions when it comes to reportage about Israel, which is more than preposterous.
“Let’s negotiate fairly and honestly without lies, peropaganda and deceit.”
Unfortunately Dr. M. Otero, people such as S.R. Peterson and millions like him whose minds are set in concrete, will never concede to fair negotiation nor will they change those fossilized opinions no matter what factual evidence is put before them.
They are incapable of attributing any good to Israel or Jews.
As for the New York Times a paper founded by Jews and once considered the very best. It’s degeneration into an anti Semitic rag unfit for wrapping fish started before WW II.
The New York Times was founded on September 18, 1851 by two gentiles, Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones. The New York Times was acquired by Adolph Ochs, a Jew, in 1896.
I apologize for my error.
I always check thoroughly before making any statements.
My source in this case erred.
Humans are prone to occasional errors aren’t they Sauil/Saul?
Thank you, Mickey, for pointing out the error in the spelling of my name. I must have been feeling il at the time.
I am sitting in Israel, a new immigrant, hearing the bombs go off and the planes doing their best..
I am appalled by the fact that more than half the Jews living here are 1947-67 Jewish refugees from Arab countries. Their losses and their numbers are far greater than those of the Palestinian Arabs. Israel’s. UN delegate Ron Prosor has said it and the world had best listen: there will be no peace until BOTH sides’ losses are negotiated. Land stolen from the Jews amounts to territory five times the size of Israel and assets amount to many billions more.
Let’s negotiate fairly and honestly without lies, peropaganda and deceit.
I AM RE-SENDING THIS EMAIL TO EMPHASIZE THAT I ALSO SENT IT TO CAMERA. I HOPE YOU WILL BOTH WORK TOGETHER ON IT.
The New York Times is up to its old tricks regarding the photographs of the Pillar of the Defense operation in the Gaza and this should be nipped in the bud!
The three pictures in today’s (11/15/12) edition is just the start! Please send an immediate letter to the Times that such biased and unfair picture reporting is unacceptable. Do this right away to put the Times on notice. And follow up as to further editions as the conflict continues.
1. The 9 by 4 1/2 inch full color picture from Reuters featured on page one would seem to show that Israel extensively attacked Gaza City. There were no pictures of the actual battle zone, let alone the damage to Israel by the Hamas operatives that necessitated the Israeli operation. (Note: the Wall Street Journal on page A14 also includes a smaller version of this picture.)
2. The picture on page A4 also by Reuters was obviously staged! It purports to show “An Israeli air strike on Wednesday hit the car of Hama’s top commander in Gaza City.”
3. The picture on page A4, by Getty Images, of the Israeli children playing games in a bomb shelter during the aerial attacks is obscene. See them playing games and enjoying the piano music!
As you well know the Times has played these biased picture games in the past during war times. Make a record of this picture bias to stop it now – not later when the damage is done.
President Hussain Obama will accede to his teachings and his mentor: Franklin Marshall Davis. All of the free world will be taken over by this fraudulent charaton. The only country that saved the world from the evil WW2 dictators: The United States, will not be around to save the world in the coming evil.
I’ve never written a comment on your website before but when I
do now you say I’ve already said that. Impossible of course.
I guess you censure anything that is a democractic, open, free
discussion about issues you ask readers to comment upon. So
goes any “discussion” to dictators.
The New York Times is right in stating Israel is responsible for the lack
of peace between Israel and Palestine. You cite Abbas for turning down
Netanyahu’s supposed offer to negotiate but never mention for over forty
years Israel has not given up land for peace but instead continues expanding
illegal settlements on Arab lands. The last progress toward peace was with
Rabin who saw the writing on the wall and conceded there is no chance for
peace or justice while Israel expands its illegal settlements.
Important to note: when Rabin was murdered for his peace with Egypt the
assassin was an Israeli. With such fanatics Israel’s enemies are within.
SR Peterson- I do suggest you read up on the History of the Israeli Arab turmoil .
Without taking you through a comprehensive essay- Let me point out just one item which I hope will make you reconsider.
!978/9 Israel gave back to Egypt the whole of the Sinia complete with a working oil field and a newly constructed tourist resort. In exchange for a piece of paper- written on it the word PEACE.
This was countersigned by President Anwar Sadat of Egypt-
His reward for signing such a paper was assassination by the Muslim Brotherhood-
Thus I ask – who desires peace?
I hope you continue to read and discuss the issues at hand on this site- I look forward to a sensible debate.
You are both a liar and a deceiver. You have twisted the truth to make it a lie. Nice to know that some people never learn from history. Your idiotic view of history shows that in addition to not knowing the truth, you have proven yourself to be a fool. Want to sue me? Go ahead. I own nothing and that is what your illegitimate besmirching remarks are worth: NOTHING.
It’s best to do a bit of reading up on history before making a public comment like that. What about the Egyptian peace treaty?
And what about the attempt to disengage from Gaza in 2006? Lebanon in 2000?
And Rabin was not murdered because of the treaty with Egypt.
Your post is really embarrassing. If there is a delete option you might want to use it. If you want to talk about rejecting peace, you should start with Israel’s offers in 1967, 2000, 2001, and 2008.
Ah, but you seem to forget that in revenge for the Palestinian Nakba, eleven Moslem states (1947-67) expelled and expropriated the land and other assets of 850,000 Jews from Arab countries.
If you seek justice for the Palestinians, you can do no less than seek it for those Jews who had lived in the Arab world for up to 2600 years. Where’s YOUR sense of justice? Where are the expropriaated lands five times the size of Israel? Let’s negotiate honestly.
A “Palestinian” state could exist tomorrow if the Arabs would reverse their three big NOs:
NO recognition of the State of Israel.
NO peace with the State of Israel.
NO negotiations with the State of Israel.
Israel WANTS and NEEDS peace with their Arab neighbors. Most of their neighbors do NOT want peace. They want the entire State to disappear. Their concept of “Occupation” means every square micrometer of Israel. Get it now? Israel is ready to negotiate…the Arabs will NOT do that. Until they do, there will be no lasting peace.
The ball is ENTIRELY in the hands of the Arabs.
Israel is the ONLY democracy in the Middle East. Yet so many hate their guts because of Jew-hate.
RE: Beverely HR Oct 29 2012:
“…Most of their neighbors do NOT want peace.”
A possible avenue is to ask who else tried to annihilat Israel/Jews? Extrapolate:
- Pharo of Egypt TYRAN
- Amaleq kins of blind BLOODSHED and HATERED
- Bonapal of Asyria Lord of SLAVERY
- Nebu of Babelinia msater DISTRUCTION & THEAFT
- Haman of Persia the INSANE COWARD tricker
- Greece/Rome/Church (inquisitioners) of European COLONIALISM & DICTATORSHIP
- Some older insane pervert FANATICS of SLAVERY warshippers
- Hitler the SADIST and MASS-MURDERER NAZI
It is Palestinian and Arab CHIOCE to join these sickminded tyrans.
They do not seem to miss any chance to MISS –
Tyran REPLACEMENT !?!
You have omitted a few notorious Jew killers.
Here are some more.
There were many others.
Marshall Pétain of Vichy France
Torquemada of the Spanish inquisition
Bohdan Kmelnytsky of The Ukraine, their present day national hero who murdered over 100,000 of us.
I do believe that in the 1400 years since the arrival of Islam the Muslims have probably murdered more Jews than any of the others.
And the list goes on.
RE: Mickey Oberman HR 30 Oct 2012
“You have omitted a few notorious Jew killers”
Sure! Admit (the feild of comments is only 700 charactors!)
Here are some names without their features from the middle-east:
Sassanide Firuz, Prophet Mohammad, Imam Ali, King Esmaiil, King Abbas’ All Safavi dunesty, almost all Khalite Omaie, almost all leaders of Esmaillie’ almost all dynesty of Ghajarieh, etc. etc.
During the 10-11 century, due to countless barbarrian attcks on Persian Jewish community their number reduced in Iran from 1,000,000 to 300,000!
Afterwards Iranian Moslems gradually killed so many jews so that at the middle years of 19 century, Jewish population reduced to only 120,000 !
In reality a “Palestinian state already exists- Its called Jordan and this point is always overlooked-
It was 80% of what Balfour had in mind for the Jews-
Most of the descendants who lived there then and indeed those who live there now were resident of the area.
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I really like the new format. wish your web designer was affordable-so I could redesign my own web site. Much easier to click on and follow. could be a danger to my productivity!
Vincient Browne as a Christian does not know that there is one basic cause of unrest in the Middle East with its Muslim majority and that is their belief that all other faiths have no place in the region.
All minority faiths Christians,Copts Behais,Jews,etc are to be ethnically cleansed-the process is in full operation.There are vitually no Christan Arabs left in the PA & Gaza.!
Others who are to be got rid of are homosesuals,freemasons,communists,freethinkers,human rights
When the cleansing is complete the final battle for domination will be between the Sumis & the Sheites.
Surprise! In Maureen Dowd’s latest column (My Mitt Fantasy, October 23, 2012), She reverts to one of her favorite themes, namely, the “neocons”, as in it’s-all-the-Jews’-fault-that-Romney-is gaining-in-the-polls. This time, it’s Bill Kristol who receives her particular condemnation.
In the surest sign that Mitt had donned a more soothing costume, he even made a flattering reference to the United Nations, the bête noire of his hawkish neocon foreign policy advisers.
But it was no doubt the neocons who coached Romney to sheath the bayonet to neutralize Obama charges of warmongering. In The Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol urged Mitt to be “pre-presidential” (Sort of like pre-emptive war.)
The comments that I made, above, about Maureen Dowd should have quotations surrounding the last two paragraphs inasmuch as they are quotes from Maureen Dowd’s column and not my own thoughts.
I sometimes consider how many fellow Jews disappeared down the dustbin of history through intermarriage or? Consider that 35 million folks in Central and South America probably have Jewish blood. Or that 10% of the population living around the Mediterranean Sea in ancient times were Jews. Or that in 1933, 44% of Jews were marrying non-Jewish Germans. Or that 20% of Spaniards can claim Jewish ancestry. etc No point.
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I sent this some time ago but it’s ageless. I served in two wars. In WW2 I ran into antisemitism continually. I couldn’t escape it. Looking back it was quite a situation. Here, I was facing the same dangerous situations that my Christian navy mates faced but that didn’t matter. But I wouldn’t trade that experience for all the tea in China. I was lucky I wasn’t born a Christian and had all that hate installed in me
RE: JULES HR 15-Sept-2012
“I was lucky I wasn’t born a Christian and had all that hate installed in me”
You are lucky also to have many Christians who are honest and do not have that hatred in their hearts.
You must be also lucky that you “were not born as a Fanatic-Islamists and have all that hate installed in you” towards Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, Bahaiis, liberals, democrats, freedom fighters, etc.
And of course, you are lucky also to have many Moslems who are honest and do not have that hatred in their hearts.
As experienced Jews we all know that: “BAD-PEOPLE are bad, not ALL PEOPLE.”
Happy New Rosh Hashana to all honest people of the world!
Have you read http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-multiculturalism-is-racism/ ?
Dr. Salim Mansur’s new book Delectable Lie: A Liberal Repudiation of Multiculturalism is cited:
“The worm inside the doctrine of multiculturalism is the lie that all cultures are worthy of equal respect and equally embracing of individual freedom and democracy. The concerted assault by the Islamists on the essential and life-affirming values based on individual rights and freedom is proof of this lie.”
Are there boundaries of equilibrium between Globalism, Uni/Multiculturalism, & Liberalism?
How to balance society in one piece, in peace, the rights of minorities, homeland-owners’, & universal humans’?
A bit of irony: Goebbels learned his tactics from the writings of Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays, master publicist and public relations man. The Zyclon (sp?) gas used in Hitler’s ovens was invented years before by a Jew whose own wife was gassed many years later.
The people for whom I feel sorry are the innocent people who are being kept prisoners by their own leaders. However, NO to recognition of Israel. NO to negotiating with Israel. NO to PEACE! That translates into NO freedom for their own people and NO to Israel permitting freedom of movement from Gaza/Judea-Samaria into Israel.
It is not hard to understand their frustration but to blame Israel for their woes is patently absurd. The security fence that Israel built is no more of an “apartheid” fence than is the border fences that the United States is building between its borders and Mexico’s northern border.
Will there ever be peace? Israel is willing. The Arabs don’t. What a shame.
Beverly: HR 15-Sept-2012
“… innocent people who are being kept prisoners by their own leaders …”
I would add:
“People who imprison themselves by their own”:
1) Molla in long tow for bread, lied to those in front: “In Friday-Mosque free meal is served”. People left & run to Mosque. Molla also left the line without bread, followed them for free meal, believing in his lie:
“If so many believed, then it must be true!”
2) In a village the rumor said LION has been seen. Honest Jerry believed so much that he got scared and hided in 2nd floor room. He imagined that the lion would enter and tear him apart. So much that, when his wife entered, he jumped out the window, to his death.
It is sad, indeed, that the world chooses to listen to foul-mouthed, ignoramuses liars instead of checking things out for themselves. Hitler’s propaganda ploy of the BIG LIE was adopted by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during WW2. He spent the majority of his time in BERLIN, GERMANY as the guest of none other than Adolph Hitler himself. His closest friend, one SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolph Eichmann, the architect of the mass murder of eleven million innocent men, women and children. It was something called the Holocaust.
How ANY INTELLIGENT AND HONEST PERSON CAN DENY HISTORY is beyond my ability to comprehend.
But Jew-hate and anti-Israeli feelings is at the bottom of it all.
Beverly: HR 15-Sept-2012
“How ANY INTELLIGENT AND HONEST PERSON CAN DENY HISTORY…”
Child intelligence growth is wonderful. Most believe intelligence growth is step-wise: ego, constancies, consequences, “other”, equality, integration, meta-physics, etc.
But, you find adults stuck forever, in one of early infant stages.
Biology, nutrition, diseases, cultural influence, drags, and education, are suspected as major factors.
Some societies enforce brainwash to imprison natives at earliest infantile stages. This ensures the leaders long-standing tyranny.
Simplest is undifferentiating OBJECTIVE/SUBJECTIVE world. By History you mean OBJECTIVE description of past events. They are SUBJECTIVE.
Re: M.Otero HR 8-Sept-2012
“… negotiations of the two “Nakbas”: the 1947-67 expulsion/flight…”
Many problems can be made flat, simplistic, and “nonsense”-ic. NOT the Israeli-Arab problem. Since, it is not:
Israeli-Palestinian, rather Judaic-Islamic
Borders, rather, Jewish Homeland
Compensation, rather, legal right of Jews to be
Signing accord, rather, deep pledge to peace
Jewish “Nakba” started 68 AC (not 1947/67), when Rome destroyed, 2nd Temple , Jerusalem, expelled Jews from their homeland, and falsely coined philistine label “Palestine”
Arabs since 623 AC, centuries later, follow-up Rome, flatten, and ridicule all of us, and some buy it! Philistine Islamic demands should STOP
The Jews are like a long and carefully bred species of flower. Currently, there is no other flower to replace it. Centuries of similar breeding would be required to create another such a flowering. Imagine the frustration of the mentally defective and self-haters in finding another such object of jealousy. It would take thousands of years to match the creative genius of the Jews.
I have often wondered. If all the Jews were killed who would the world then turn to to hate?
P.S. You just can’t turn off hate. It has a life of it’s own
“I have often wondered. If all the Jews were killed who would the world then turn to to hate?”
They would have to invent us Jews or wind up murdering each other.
When there are no Jews within the grasp of Muslims so that is precisely what they are doing now.
I say “Keep up the good work fellows.”
Excellent site, keep up the good work.
I have over the years emailed the PM’s office the foreign Ministry in Jerusalem etc to have a satellite programme directed to Europe and elsewhere to put forward Israel’s point of view. hopefully a nationalist one, nopt directed by the Labour party thank you.
I am in the middle of a fightback in a local paper against Israel haters. The latest one was a Christian Rev. I have put both in place and expect to carry on. more Jews should do the same and not wait for others to do the job for thme. In Britain the official Jewish body is afraid of a backlash against the Jews/ How ridiculous and what rubbish. Fight, fight and fight until the idiots stop.
Another case of NYT and AP bias.
Family of Slain US Activist Awaits Verdict
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 26, 2012 at 3:36 PM ET
The story is about Rachel Corrie’s death. The story accurately states that the death was ruled accidental by the military courts, yet the headline states she was “slain”
Sob. Sob. Sob.
She willingly broke Israeli laws.
She willingly put herself in harms way.
She should not have been where she was.
She willingly committed suicide.
Try sitting in the seat of one of those bulldozers. Visibility forward is severely limited.
The driver was doing his duty and attending to his job.
There were more than enough warnings except for the fools who chose to ignore them. They got exactly what they wanted – a figurehead for that ship of fools. They rejoiced with crocodile tears.
There are reports that she had undertaken the project for college credit which may explain her foolish zeal; however,her staff advisors did her a terrible disservice in not making sure that she was equipped to understand the historical background of the relevant facts. Assuming just the Arab activist perspective showed both her college and staff unqualified to make such an
assignment. If her parents want to sue, they might well take up the matter with the college and advisory staff and seek grounds for their dismissal on grounds of incompetent scholarship and irresponsible student guidance on projects. It looks like a clear cut case. Attorneys??
I wonder what marks her college gave Rachel Pancake for that project.
I should think there were no projections at all after doing battle with a bulldozer.
Just like the Palestinians do-ranting and raving. They try and replace Israel’s history with their own manufactured revisionist propaganda. Those who love Israel should GOOGLE:(Assyria, Babylon, Biblical,Cush,Egypt and Elam Confirmations) listed under raptureforums July 3, 2012 for full text. Fight the Neo-Nazi terrorists whom try to eliminate Jewish history as well as plotting against the Jews. Show the research supporting Jewish history to the entire world. Isn’t the Holy Scriptures worth fighting for?
FUCK RACIST ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TERRORISTS, EVEN THE STATE DEP’T SAYS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT ARE YOU WORTHLESS CUNTS GONNA DO WHEN CHINA CALLS THE SHOTS?!!!!!!!!!!
NOT LONG NOW. ASH CAN NAZI’S. LOOK UP, WHAT’S THAT? OH FUCK IT’S A ROARGHHH.
Not that I expect this moron to come back-
But I am glad that they communicated in the way they have- I wish that they would go public with that type of utter vile rhetoric on the main media- For it shows what Jews in general and Israel in particular have had to put up with for generations-
No argument, no “Rhyme or Reason ” to their rant-
To say “fuck Israel” speaks to me of an understandable frustration with a very complex set of issues most Westerners are not equipped to sort out with wisdom. If we observe the events as a kind of careless cat and mouse game, then the game winner will be sure to conclude that “fuck Israel” is the answer. However, the scrupulous examination of diverse sources might conclude that both parties are right and both parties have poorly processed the remains of the defeated Ottoman empire.And since then both sides have abused the uses of information, misinformation, disinformation and shameless propaganda. This is a learning opportunity. It’s not anti-Semitism, just wretched scholarship.
It speaks to me of a vulgar, ignorant boor who, with his filth, has nothing to contribute to any civilized discussion.
If the moderator of this site were not asleep he/she would have removed that moronic message.
Re: M.Otero, 10-Sept-2012
“To say “fuck Israel”…It’s not anti-Semitism, just wretched scholarship”
Since Israel is considered a holly land in the Eyes of about 3 billion believers of Almighty G’ (Moslems, Christians, Jews, etc.) then the parallel should be not any land, but those which are considered to be holly:
Vatican (for Christians(
Mecca/Medina (for Arabs/ Moslems(
Ghom/Mash’had/Karbella for Shiite Moslems,
Carmel and Baha Tomb for Baha’is,
Geneva/UN NY for humanists of the world, etc.
Now let’s do a guess work.
What you would say then, if that no-person would utter the same, but pulling out “Israel” and inserting one of these other holly places?
Would s/he remain alive?
““To say “fuck Israel”…It’s not anti-Semitism, just wretched scholarship”
I fail to see how you can connect those words with scholarship. They indicate an almost complete lack of education except, perhaps, what was dredged up from some filthy gutter.
Just look at what piss off has written. He fails to make a coherent statement, indeed, he is probably incapable of so doing. Hence he resorts to the only language he knows just to voice off.
I would say it is the language of a bigot. An incoherent, frustrated, ignoramus as are so many of his kind.
Since “Israel” is the name of Jacob the prophet, father of the Jewish Nation, and the name of the Jewish nation and, then the parallel cases are:
“Christians”, who follow Christ,
“Muhammadians” who follow Muhammad,
“12-Imamians” (Shiites) who believe in their 12 Imams,
“Baha’is”, who follow Bahia-e-din,
“Buddhists” who follow Buddha,
Now let’s do a guess work:
What you would say then, if that no-person would utter the same, but pulling out “Israel” and inserting one of these other followers…
Would you still call it “not anti-X, but wretched scholarship”?
I had a rare phone conversation today with an old and dear friend who had been an OSS operative during WWII in Europe. Somehow we’ve never discussed the Palestinian-Mizrahi issue and, bright as she is, she’d never delved into the matter sufficiently to be anything but unalterably supportive of the Palestinian position: “When are those people going to make peace?” was her naive question. Of course, the answer is “never.” Most liberals simply can’t conceive of any problem being so intractable that no solution is possible. There is only the most remote possibility that concurrent negotiations of the two “Nakbas”: the 1947-67 expulsion/flight of the Mizrahi Jews and of the Palestinian Arabs.
When people sound as they “don’t know any better”, I am disinclined to sink to their level.
I find myself thinking of my own personal claim to Israel having more to do with the place of my ancestors and well over a hundred years of my family’s rebuilding the Land and its institutions.Although some of my heirs are ultra orthodox, I am disappointed in the ultimate misuse of all religions. I believe that our rights to the Land have been challenged by malevolent, greedy autocrats in the Muslim world with crass manipulation of the media and such outrageous lies that lazy, naive minds take for truth. Unfortunately, the fabricators of the lies come to deceive themselves as well.
There are several apartheid states in the Middle East: Israel is not one of them. ALL Arab states ARE apartheid. They do not permit any religion other than Islam. All others are prohibited. ALL Arab states are Judenrein. Israel, on the other hand, is multi-cultural and accepts all religions to exist within her borders. They do not treat the so-called Palestinians equally because THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS OF ISRAEL! Does the United States treat non-citizens the same as its citizens?
The Arab states have said NO to the three items that would assure instant peace. They have said NO to recognizing Israel, NO to peace with Israel and NO to negotiating with Israel. Israel’s hands are tied, period.
Just look at the Photo of the Day at the WSJ (of all media):
Then read the caption:
GUN PLAY: Children played with toy guns on the second day of Eid al-Fitr in Rafah in the Gaza Strip Monday.
Well Greta- You have had many answers to your questions- how about responding to them-
Do you agree with what you have been told- Do you understand what you have been told-do you now agree with what you have been told?
I am sure we all wait with baited breath.!
There is some consolation in the Muslim persistence in deluding themselves with lies. When one is in the habit of not considering all relevant facts, one is in grave danger of being unprepared for on the ground realities of war. This proves to be of major advantage to Israeli forces in the event of war.
This doesn’t mean that we should not be making every effort to provide facts to those disinclined to delude themselves,e.g. those generally unacquainted with the fact of the “other Nakba”, the 850,000 Mizrahi Jews expelled from Muslim world in revenge for the defeat of the five invading Arab armies of 1948 or the expropriation of Jewish properties there, lands four times the size of Israe
Jews come in many shades of color from black skin Ethiopians to white blue eyed blond Europeans. Jews welcome all Jews back home while Arabs let Arabs settle in the refugee camps unwilling to help their fellow Moslems.
I ‘d like to know why Honest Reporting doesn’t refer to the Israelis’ attitudes and behavior toward refugees, especially those from North Africa or other non-white places. I so approve of the news I do get, news that is otherwise
often distorted by media,or ignored, or made light of. Still, Israel is far from perfect in its treatment of Palestinians and those who come for shelter and aid from other countries. Wouldn’t your reporting be more honest if it included some negative, yet truthful news about Israel?
Just how many refugees from Arab decimated lands do you suggest tiny Israel accept? Who is going to pay for their maintenance? Saudi Arabia?
The wealthy Gulf States? The world’s 1.3 billion Muslims? The United Church of Canada? The Church of England? The Vatican? The UN? The EU?
Don’t you dare bring colour into the discussion. Israel has gladly accepted thousands of people of colour, given them citizenship and all the rights and privileges of any other Israeli.
As for Israel’s treatment of Pseudo Palestinians. When they unreservedly
support Israel then they can expect to be treated as they like. But when every PP is a likely killer Israelis must be reservedly cautious.
110,000 Ethiopian Falashas were flown into Israel, and thousands more in Africa whose tenuous claims to Judaism are under consideration. Many hundreds of Sudanese, non-Jews have sought refuge in Israel with some preying upon the Israeli public. They were simply shot by the Egyptians. It’s the official policy and steps taken by governments that count, not the temporary irritations of the citizenry. I recall the radio talk show call in rage of Brits when Indians were being expelled from Africa and were expected to return home to Britain. There was general hostility to mere thoughts of their return. I recall well the intensity of anti-Semitism of the 1930′s; I sense its growing return.
RE: HR 20-8-12
“Still, Israel is far from perfect…”
Only the best can be compared to PERFECTION! It is a huge complement
An actual society should be first compared with other actual societies:
• Moslem world has so far murdered more that 11 million Moslems.
• They killed and injured Thousands of non-Moslem tourists
• Sudan-Moslems murder thousand of Eritreans and South-Sudanese
• Syria kills daily toll of 100-200 citizens
And you dear Greta, teach the world Standards of Humanity, by criticizing Israel because she is “far from perfect”.
It is true, as compared with the Ideal Behavior you expect only from the best there is. Thank you for your complement
RE: HR 20-8-12
“… Israelis’ attitudes and behavior toward refugees, especially those from North Africa …”
• Hezbollah attacks everybody and anybody who is any different
• Iran works hard to achieve Atomic Bomb to destroy the West “Big Satan”, then Israel (Little Satan), then the Arabs, then the Sunnites of the world
• Pseudo-Palestinians, keep their own people in Ghetto’s called “Refugee Camps”
• Arabs of Israel expel those North Africans you talk about and chase them down as infidels
And you dear Greta, teach the world, Standards of Humanity, by criticizing Israel because she is “far from perfect”.
It is true, as compared with the Ideal Behavior you expect only from the best!
RE: HR 20-8-12
“Honest Reporting doesn’t refer to the Israelis’ attitudes and behavior toward refugees, especially those from North Africa …”
• Greek, Italy, Spain, France, and many other European (white’s) send back and forth thousands of those the same refugees that you so perfectly care about, without any hesitation or HR criticism
• US chases illegal refugees from Mexico/ south America
• China and Russia chase opposition
Happily, You do OUR job, by criticizing Israel because she is “far from perfect”. It is true! We all should respect human rights.
Those who are frustrated from Big Powers of the world, still have the chance to criticies the best target ISRAEL! Thanks.
HR August 14 2012
I just got accross this UTUBE. It might interest all of us:
Just copy and paste into URL field and run.
But!! Please try not to disturb your closest reporters. It might embaress them…
Now we have to worry about the greatest danger, not only to Israel but to the West including America: Hussain Obama……Anyone who hates the American veterans (I am a two war veteran) is evil beyond comprehension. But this Horrible Communist has a goal in mind: Break American and hand the pieces to the Russian Bolshevicks. Rememer, his mentor: Alfred Marshal Davis was trained by the Russian Communists.
I am afraid that history will repeat itself: The world is asleep while the great anti Christ takes over the free.
What you say is true for some Jews but many of us are more than willing to speak out and fight against antisemitism and anti Israelism.
It took us 2000 years to learn that silence is not golden and today we are putting that knowledge to good use thanks in large part to the moral support provided by the very existence of Israel.
Yes, there are far too many timid and indifferent and foolish Jews but their numbers are diminishing and will continue to do so. Some, too many, will lose their Judaism but our numbers in all our variations of religious practice will continue to increase. We have outlasted many mighty civilizations and will continue to do so. We are here to stay, anareva.
“Kol hakavod” for your work. Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel
I think the Jews in England and the whole world still suffer on the “ghetto-syndrom” and are therefore afraid to speak what they think. They are afraid the “world” could come back on them and make them suffer more!
Palestinian terrorists are rewriting Israel’s ancient history blotting Israel’s history from Middle-East textbooks. To counter Palestinian claims google:(Assyria,Babylon,Biblical,Cush,Egypt & Elam Confirmations) and witness five ancient nations having historical connections with Israel.
“Middle-East textbooks” will continue to blot Israel from their pages of history as long as those textbooks are produced by Muslims.
They will continue to instruct Muslim students about the glories of dying.
Generation after generation of Islamic youth will waste their pathetic lives seeking not to build a civilization but to destroy one and destroy themselves as well to gratify their sexual desires.
The Children of Israel wandered in the desert for forty years until all the sinners had died.
The children of Islam are going to have to wander for a much longer period to erase all those who have been corrupted by Islamic textbooks – at least forty years after the last textbook is destroyed.
Palestinian terrorists continue writing textbooks blotting out Israel’s ancient history. Counter their propaganda. Google: (Assyria, Babylon, Biblical, Cush, Egypt & Elam Confirmations) Show the world the history the terrorist don’t want known.
Did you see?
Pat Condell on the ugliest newspaper in Britain.
The city of jerusalem is not only the capital of israel,but it will be for all eturnity,the capital city of the new heaven and the new earth,and the God of israel will not be engaging in any arguement with any one,about it.He as been speaking about it throughout the scripture and he will not add another word to it.The bible discribes jerusalem as,The eturnal city,The city of God,The city of the great king. Revelation 21 v 1-27,22 v1-10. whilst the present jerusalem was built by man,however the new jerusalem is build by God himself Hebrews 11 v 10.
Whom is to blame?
It is clear and brisk in the Pro Islamic world (Media too? Can it be?)
* Palestinian husband cut his wife’s throat? “Israel Mussad”
* Irani woman is stoned on treachery?
* Islamic Republic hangs, hundreds, her own smugglers?
* President Assad murders his own Syrian residents?
* Jihad of Lebanon with Syrian Army depresses Syrians?
* Hamas of Gaza and Al-Qaida Attack Israel border?
* Pakistani Intelligence and Islamic Terror kill 160+ in India?
* Al-Qaida topples Twin Towers in NY?
* African Wars?
* Arafat’s dead?
* Munich Olympic Terror against Israeli Sportsmen?
Isn’t it clear? Israeli Mussad! GOOOD Night WORLD! Honest Reporting has to rest
HR [Honest Reporting], August 2 2012 HR
What do say about that?
If your stomach is weak, you are advised NOT to open that!!!
If it is true, then we can say
“Goodbye HUMANITY, farewell HUMAN-RIGHTS. GOOD NIGHT WESTERN CULTURE, take a deep breath, for thousands of years until you resurrects! The IRANIAN-ISLAMIC DARK AGES have already begun!
Sorry dear sleepy fellows, to have disturbed you shiny dreams. Stand by and let HUMANITY go down the drain. In the meanwhile, you conscience can be easily cleaned up by constantly CRITICIZING ISRAEL, ignoring the facts about Islamic Jihad…
Keep criticizing Israel so that you can SLEEP TIGHT!
May I repeat myself? Instead of the formula “land for peace” we should remember Ron Prosor’s recent UN observation that the Arabs have stolen Mizrahi lands four times the size of Israel. So we should be negotiating with our true adversaries, the Arab League, and insisting on “Land for Land” i.e. all of Samaria, Judea, and maybe Gaza and the Sinai. That’s about four times the size of Israel OR they can give us back all the Mizrahi lands that they confiscated in Egypt, Tunis, Morocco, Iraq, Iran, etc. 1947-67. Fair enough?
May I repeat myself? Instead of the formula “land for peace” we should remember Ron Proser’s recent UN observation that the Arabs have been holding Mizrahi lands four times the size of Israel. So we should be negotiating with our true adversaries, the Arab League, and insisting on “Land for Land” i.e. all of Samaria, Judea, and maybe Gaza and the Sinai. That’s about four times the size of Israel OR they can give us back all the Mizrahi lands that they confiscated in Egypt, Tunis, Morocco, Iraq, Iran, etc. 1947-67. Fair enough?
With the possible exception of Rhode Island each of the US states are considerably larger than tiny Israel. The system of government is different and reasonably workable and, indeed, preferable in such a large country although individual states are often in conflict with each other and with Washington. Washington is not situate in any of the states. As well, each city/town/village has its own municipal government. Each of the political entities has jurisdiction over certain specific elements of governance.
Israel has always been the capital of all of Israel.
I see no reason to introduce divisions of jurisdiction which could lead to strife as well as greatly increase expenses.
Thank you, Mickey, for sharing your thoughts. As far as I know, no one ever left a kvitel in the grill-work of the iron gates of the Knesset, but millions have been left in the spaces between the stones of the Kotel. There is something different about Jerusalem, different from any other city in the world, and we should strive to revere it for the qualities of its uniqueness. Oh well, I tried. Ofra Haza would have been proud of me.
I fully agree with you about Jerusalem being different.
The differences are in the stones of its buildings, the layout of its streets, its colours, its ancient walls, its unparalleled history, its archaeological sites, its sounds, its tolerance, its homes, its shops, its people and even its air and light.
These are all compelling reasons for it to be Israel’s political as well as religious capital. If representatives of other countries were obliged to stay and work in Jerusalem they would see for themselves the great heart of Judaism.
Tel Aviv is special in its own right but it is not suited to be the dignified capital of the Jewish state.
What would be wrong if they made Tel Aviv the political capital of Israel, and Jerusalem the religious capital of Israel? Politics is, by nature, a dirty, secular business, and to have that kind of activity carried on in the city of Jerusalem takes away from the holiness of that city. Having two capitals in one political entity is not uncommon in the US. Quick now, what is the capital of New York State? Albany, of course, not New York City. What about Pennsylvania? Harrisburg, of course, not Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. What about Texas? Austin, of course, not Dallas or Houston. What about California? Sacramento, of course, not Los Angeles or San Francisco or San Diego.
Capital of what? A non existent country?
Palestinians? A non existent people?
Why perpetuate these terms by using them?
Pseudo Palestinians may be accurate.
PP sounds more accurate.
Bad habits are hard to break but let’s give it a try. It might catch on.
No Michael, it is actually Amman but they won’t say it.
Ask the Europeans for the name of the Palestinian Capital – they should say Jenin – but they’ll say Jerusalem – Antisemites…
We’ve exhausted the land for peace diplomacy; why don’t we declare a negotiating position of land for land? Ron Prossor said it at the UN April 24: the Arabs stole Mizrahi lands 1948-67 amounting to territory four times the size of Israel. The various Muslim lands can have the Mizrahi assets in exchange for Arab-free Judea, Samaria, Gaza AND Sinai.
Let’s sit down with the real puppet masters, the Arab League, and settle our differences openly and honestly without all this behind the scenes, sneaky game playing. History has it that, in reaction to Herzl’s dream, the Arab leadership in 1902 cunningly began urging landless farmers from Egypt and Syria to populate and farm what is now Israel
As a youngster back in the ’30′s and ’40′s, I used to read the Hollywood gossip columns and innocently believed all those planted stories and fabrications of the Hollywood press agents until I grew up and understood that we were faced with an industry of make believe.
Nowadays, I find myself confronted with an industry of political lying and propaganda of the most insidious sort, even more outrageous than the wildest imaginings of those old time Hollywood press agents. I am mindful now of an intelligence officer colleague who once explained to me that he never read the press, just the history books. I try to remember that with each day’s clamorous media outpourings of propaganda.
Well said; and by the time some of us old guys catch on, the young ‘uns will have to learn how not to be conned all over again. Even Fact Check and Politifact is irrelevant to many. Some don’t really care if something is true or not. They are merely looking for vindication of their views.
Re: S Mann, HR July 28, 2012
“Has any country hosting the Olympics since Munich actually had any representation for the murdered Israeli athletes.? If not why now?”
My questions are: What if?
* What if Among the victims there were a few Non-Jews? Say European, Asian, African sportsmen killed?
* What if the victims of that Islamic Terror were SOLELY non-Jewish?
* What if the Terror was non-ISLAMIC killing? Say Radical Left? Right?
* What if the Victims were Moslems? Arabs? Persians?
* What if, G’-d forbidden, such terror was carried out by Jews/Israelis?
How the world would behave?
What can we expect from this humanistic world, where it is NOT any of What ifs?
Honesty, lies here!
Good idea and I agree, but at age 87, I don’t have plans for mess halls, but it may be time for an Israeli tv comic to produce a series. I’ll be m aking aliya shortly and will look into it. Thanks again.
I was 59 in 1991 when I volunteered with Sar El.
I’ll soon be 80 so I am catching up to you.
I admit that I thoroughly enjoyed the mess hall food but was surprised at the table manners. It was explained that their families were too busy fighting wars and building a country and earning a living to have much time for the niceties of society. I fear the same may apply today.
You should visit a mess hall when you are there. Those kids and they are kids are, despite table manners, something very very special.
The name Sabra is not used very much any more. It should be.
I did not mean solely table manners but person to person manners as well.
If successful such informal sessions might be carried into other fields too.
There are no limits.
I just observed the three weeks I was at Julis that the meal times could be used constructively.
I think that once several people in a group show an interest it might snowball to the benefit of many.
Thanks for the great idea, but it’s not just table manners, but respectful and effective listening and speaking that is the ultimate goal with respect to our more successful foreign relations and world image. Not only do we end up with a “smoother style”, but we better achieve both our proximal and long term goals. The story is that Edward Bernays was a successful public relations man in the US and asked his uncle Sigmund to share his relevant psychoanalytic findings. It proved to make Bernays a master at his craft. I suggest that we study his works or at the very least use Dale Carnegie for starters.
Have you ever been in the mess hall of an IDF base?
Hundreds of bright, intelligent young people enjoying their meals (or not) and sitting there for 1/2 hour or more.
What a wonderful opportunity to teach these folks manners of all kinds.
But the teaching must be done with sensitivity and humour, not forced upon them.
Give them reasons, and there are many, why good manners would be a lifetime asset to them.
Might I add that many Jews too often tend to communicate with a disrespectful intimacy and familiarity that probably is inappropriate even within families much less with strangers. While employed at Hebrew U. 60 years ago, I was asked to consider how we might “teach Israelis good manners.” It may just be a matter of both our making some more respectful alterations in the way we speak to each other and being aware of how impatient we are when strangers “just don’t seem to get it.” (They’re often not as bright, flexible, and uninhibited as we are). Orwell observed years ago, that British subject colonials had the advantage of learning not only a second language, but another cultural pattern.
I dont think it matters-
Why should anyone have to change their cultural ways- If people are good communicators then they should understand others ways-
The Brits are known to be reserved and stand in line or que-
The Americans are “Gung Ho” and extrovert .
The Asian community some what arrogant-
So- we should all put up with each others ways.
Israel (and Israeli in general) do not know HOW to communicate nor APPEAL to the world media in an attractive, elegant and positive way. Our ancestors communicated via influential Torah. Living outside Israel, I see media bias both ways. Both anti and pro-Israel can be highly displeasing and arrogant with old prejudices. Israeli education should focus degrees on our broadcasting a positive identity, confidence, self-assurance, but not arrogant or full-of-ourselves. This fuels the worst media and turns people off regardless of nationality or tradition. HR can tell successful stories of each culture not just Israel’s. Appreciation not denounciation will boomerang appreciation. Think about it.
Re :G. David Jul28,2012 HR
“Israel do not know HOW to communicate nor APPEAL to the world media in an attractive, elegant and positive way”
I am totally jealous of your pure innocence.
There were times that the media was “the watch dog” of Human Rights, Reality and Truth, Legality and Honesty, etc.
That age has long gone and with that Honesty, Truth, Legality and Humanity.
Now the era is of Arab-Moslem Wealth which buys everything: false Agendas destructive to world, Group Self centered Narrative, Attorneys, Reporters, Media Advisors, Public Relations, and tons of Re-Constructed INVENTIVE History!
Israelis have only their TRUTH and demand HONESTY. We do NOT BUY! do not SELL & OFFER.
Why are we asking for 1 minute of silence for this Olympic Games. There should be a minute of silence at every Olympic Games going forward.
This morning I went to a service and held a minutes silence at 11 am-
Can any one tell me since that terrible incident at Munich has there been any demand to any other country since then for a minutes silence- from Japan to the USA.?
Has any country hosting the Olympics since Munich actually had any representation for the murdered Israeli athletes.?
If not why now?
u do not tell the truth and u know about the massacres committed by your soldiers more than the Arabs themselves
down with Israel
I know I should not respond to this “Child” for it is unlikly to read my response-
However in case there is any one else reading it-
E v W Pakistan- 1250000 dead
Iran v Iraq 1million dead
Rwanda 900000 dead
Iraq 300000 Kurds dead +20000 Shias every (Average) by Saddam
Tajikstan 50000 dead
Jordan v Arafat 25000 dead
Syria v Hamas 20000 dead
I could go on
However during all the Israeli v Arab wars only 3500 killed.
ie: More Muslims die at the hands of other Muslims than any one else.
The Algerian Civil War was an armed conflict between the Algerian government and various Islamist groups ( GIA ) which began in 1991.
It is estimated to have cost between 250,000 lives
some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.”
Education is not a sin
I invite you to read my July 10 column “Recognize Tragedy as Olympic History,” at http://www.sanfordspeaksout.blogspot.com. Read, comment and follow. Thank you.
What the Brits should do and what they do do are very different things. After all, they believe themselves to be the most civilized folks on earth and, this is just a guess, they can’t stand the thought that “mere Jews” could be far more creative, civilized, and enriching to the human race than they are. I had the mixed blessing of traveling tourist class aboard the Queen Mary across the Atlantic. If that is the backbone of the British nation!!!! or whilst driving about the British countryside, listening to call in talk radio….!!!!!!
it about time the British nation and its official broadcast service will recognized their shear in what happened in the Middle East and especially between Israel and the Palestinian. the were always every civilized and left civil war in all their colony. they blessed us in the first Holocaust in the middle ages. they Blessed us with Haj Amin el Husseini which the Palestinian today carry his uncompromising believes. Jerusalem was and always be the hart of the Jewish people and the capital of Israel. it always had Jewish residence except the 1948-1967. they have to pace their on hypocrisy and miss deed and look first on their own action before they preach to other.
It’s only an opinion, but I can’t conceive of an anti-Semite ever being ashamed of his anti-Semitism, and if he later finds himself to be Jewish or part Jewish, he can go either way: more or less full of hate. It becomes a sustaining, driving force in his life, gives it meaning, and seeks fellow haters to socialize their inadequacy together.
Re: M.Otero 23 July 2012–07–23
“I find it hard to imagine an end to anti-Semitism”
If I may add:
There are so many disturbed minds that cannot absorb the thought that JEWISH straight and factual TRUTHS, be the Standards by which they can measure themselves and their disturbances.
I suspect that when their conscience wakes up, they are ashamed of themselves, so much that when they look at themselves as reflected in this pure, crystal-clear mirror called JUDAISM, find no way out but breaking the mirror.
For them, Anti-Judaism is a MUST. They have nothing more.
Most anti Semites have not traditionally been anti-humans who are “strangers.
Both Traditional Christian- and Moslem-Anti-Semite, love those Jews who depart from Judaism and convert their religion. In this regard the Arian Genetic Anti-Semitism is unique and shared by some fractions of Arains in Germany, in Iran, and some parts of India.
Thus, their enmity is toward JUDAISM, as religion, Tradition, Culture, Way of thought and life, and concepts.
I find it hard to imagine an end to anti-Semitism because it is self-perpetuating, e.g. Jewish women should stop eating healthful foods and stop nourishing their children properly, stop being educationally ambitious for their children or teaching them music, cease stimulating table talk, cease mixing with stimulating, cerebral people, stop splitting verbal hairs, stop being demonstratively loving to their children, etc. Can’t be done! The result is that you get profound jealousy from others for your abundant gifts to the world….and rewards.
re: Katz, HR, 23 July 2012
“…most common cause of anti-Israel media bias…”
I tend to agree with your two reasons. I would like to bring up still another factor. Lets call it “Fastest Cowboy Chased and Challenged over and again”.
Historically, Jewish people, has long become the “SMALLEST-WEAKEST-STRONGEST People” of the entire world.
She has magically become “the unconquerable” weak-force of them all, attracting huge forces to challenge her, and her very continuing existence.
Thus, it is not surprising that the most dangerous dictators of the world have been seduced to try and annihilate the Jewish nation by war or diplomatic /philosophical weapon.
The shooters now are MEDIA
I have completed the HR annual survey. 1 question asks for the most common cause of anti-Israel media bias. I chose “anti-semitism”, but there is another factor which was not listed. We are witnessing a sweeping liberalization that has broken down social barriers. We are headed towards a society which many consider ideal, i.e., where all peoples live and mate freely without regard to race, religion, etc. This is laudable but creates an inherent conflict with the desire of many Jews to preserve their heritage and prefer their children marry other Jews, and likewise when Israel desires to retain its Jewish character. Well-meaning liberals object, possibly explaining some anti-Israel bias
Perhaps this erosion has accelerated, but the ultra-orthodox Jews manage to hold back the tide. Consider that in Jesus’ time, it is assumed that 10% of people living around the Mediterranean rim were Jews and although their numbers dwindled, nonetheless one always seems to find a strong core of Jews in surprising places. At our local synagogue, many of the key figures are recent converts to Judaism and so it goes. I noted just today, a former Catholic priest who married a Jewish woman, had two children and is active in our synagogue. Worry not.
It’s just that every time they, as a group or as individuals, lose face, their vindictive rage expresses itself in generally subversive and unproductive ways that are savagely cruel and only beget more unrelenting savagery from others. The cyclic of violence and the everlasting enmity that it invokes makes any extended peace unlikely. A poor, uneducated man has nothing but his pride, his honor for himself, his family and his tribe. How do you deal with him as required by modern societies? So far, in most cases, you just can’t. And certainly, outsiders or colonialists are suspect now more than ever. It’s not necessarily hopeless, but requires boldly new thinking and solutions.
Every day that we fail to “get the message out clear and loud” more killings will occur on both sides. Yes, Palestinian Arabs suffered losses, but their losses have only been multiplied and prolonged for generations by the relentless Arab League itself. A greater number of Arab Jews who had lived in the Arab world far longer and suffered far greater losses in expropriated lands, homes, and businesses but we NEVER hear about them. That’s one of the essential differences between the Arab and Jewish mentality: an obsession with honor. Israel could have created camps for the Arab Jewish Mizrahim and insisted on UNRWA aid and the humiliation of its refugees, but they are now half of Israel.
The Islamic concept of honour is so far removed from the Judeo/Christian concept that even speaking of it is completely futile.
One can not appeal to an honour that does not exist and that is incomprehensible to those being addressed.
Islamic honour consists of people/individuals dominating, ruling and making life or death decisions over others. That “rule” extends from the head of a country or religion (Islam) all the way down to the tribal leaders and, indeed, the family members and its head, the father.
Islamic honour considers anything done by or said by its founder, that murderous, lying, pedophiliac Mohammed and by his later interpreters, to be honourable and acceptable.
Please, Cema dont take it to heart-
This “Old Fart” is an oldtime Soviet supporter- he hates America as much as Israel- Never forgiven Israel for befriending the US instead of the USSR-
He even has said that the attack on Osama bin-Laden in Pakistan never took place and bin-Laden died in 2001-
He just never says how he knows this-
Same camp as Finklestien and Chompsky- So dont lose any sleep- he should die very soon!
Please, can you read this? This wen paper is telling Israel is behind Bulgaria attack. Ican not handle this. Thanks
These are the first lines from the only report I could find on the terror attack in Bulgaria in the Melbourne Age, by Ruth Pollard:
“Israel has threatened to “settle the account” with those responsible for an attack that left at least six people dead and dozens wounded, most of them Israeli tourists…..”
She then describes the responses of Netanyahu, Ehud Barak, and Hillary Clinton. Only then, does she give a description of the events of the attack.
Instead of focusing on the fact that innocent people, holidaymakers, were murdered, for being Israelis, the article starts with bringing up the image of the vengeful, blood-thirsty Jews.
are you aware of this?
Neo-Nazi aided Palestinian perpetrators of 1972 Munich massacre, report says
Honest Reporting’s comments section has gone the way of that section in so many media including The Jerusalem Post.
It has become a soapbox for people who in their own minds must be heard and are willing to monopolize the comments section of a particular medium.
Their multiple and usually lengthy battles with other soapbox orators degrades the medium which they are abusing and abuses those who want information about a particular subject.
The blatherskites have become epidemic because the moderators of the afflicted media are failing to do their jobs.
Why not limit the posting in any thread to three letters per person and if they get vulgar cut them out completely.
I totally disagree with you- Yes sure there are those who like to hear their own voice or see their name in print- Those with really nothing to say are soon filtered in ones own mind and disregarded.
But free speech should mean just that-
First you soon become aware of their agenda. Then, regardless of language you can determine their intelligence or whether they are just prejudiced liars.
And as long as one has the opportunity to counter any allegation which is spurious then all is fair in “Love and War”.
When freedom turns destructive it becomes anarchy.
Those back and forth, back and forth, tennis ball letters destroy the original intent of a particular thread and, ultimately, if left unchecked and unmoderated, will destroy the very medium that carries them. They do nothing but give voice to over inflated egos who do nothing at all to address the subject matter of a thread.
Unlimited freedom is anarchy.
As long as one keeps their cool- You simply ignore them- they become a bore and you stop reading them- I wonder how many follow such a to and fro conversation that leads no where-
Anarchy ! “1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.”
1- That happens when a country goes into disarray-
2- In most governments -
3-I often wonder whether the political world is at that stage now!
However I shall now end otherwise this to and fro will become one of those conversations that you you call a “Soap Box” – for philosophy!
“However I shall now end otherwise this to and fro will become one of those conversations that you you call a “Soap Box” – for philosophy!”
RE; WEDNESDAY SHOW, THERE IS NO ‘WATCH NOW.’ LOL
Regarding exact details of JUDAISMairings: Every Thursday 12:00 noon,New York Time, go to mnn.org when it populates on top half ,go to number 4 and click beneath it ‘watch now’. In addition, Every Wednesday New York Time go to bcat.tv, after it populates , click on small window “BCAT TV network” Next page opens, scroll to channel 2, and click on arrow in black box.
Israel is our religious,historical and national land. Global anti-Semitism is personified by not one country recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Israel should give notice to all who have diplomatic relations with it,unless you move your Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, Israel shall move its embassy from their capitals to another city! Watch and weep! Every Wednesday New York Time 10;00am & 6:00PM GO TO bcat.tv when it populates click on “BCAT TV network’. When new page opens scroll to channel 2, and click on arrow in black box, and click beneath it,’watch now.’ On Thursday 12:00 PM, go to mnn.org ,when it populates go to number 4,click beneath it, ‘watch now’.
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
Once I read, a saying: “Nobody has ever measured how many accidents have been prevented, due to high velocities”. Weird as it may sound, in some sense it is true…
Would you, dear Gloria, agree to join in, and say: “Nobody has ever measured, how many Palestinian films have been shot, in the hope to blame Israelis, but never found any violence, thus never published!?”
How many favors have the Israeli Arabs and Moslems have been granted by Jews in Israel, or outside, during these 200 years. In Health, Agriculture, Sciences, Technology, Democracy, etc. Have they ever mentioned any? No Gratitude. All critic.
The Media Jihad is the War over the Image in Media and International Public Relations.
In the ME it is carried forcefully against: The “Small Satan” (Israel the sole Jewish State), and
In other parts of the world, it is carried out firmly against: The “Big Satan” (USA, as the leading power of the Christians).
So, dear Gloria. Let us ask, together, again: What is the truth behind the scene?
Are all “documentary films” indeed, honestly, DOCUMENTARY? From the beginning to the end? Are they all “innocent” as they want us to believe?
o For Jihad, the youngsters need to learn: How to dare, how to overcome shame and fear, how to take position, how to plan attack and refuge, how to gain military power and leadership. Very soon, these children become excellent Gorilla Warriors.
o All of those thousands of Moslem Terror organizations, spread over the whole world, are flourishing by this type of in-house training. Did you ever know that?
o Nowadays, by this type of education and filming, they hope to rage a new form of war (Media Jihad).
• By encouraging the “Restless Youngsters” to Stone “foreignors” they gain several goals:
o They fulfill their Religious duty, to humiliate non-Moslems
o They wait for reaction. If you, the foreigner, go away without any reaction, then they praise themselves for expelling the devil. If, on the other hand, you dare to react, then they have good excuses to blame you as assaulting Islam, and cooperate to kill you (lynch).
o By this practice, they train their next generation, to actually gain practice and experience in carrying out the wholly war of Jihad:
• Not only Millions of “foreigners” have so far been expelled as refugees from the Moslem world, but millions have been slaughtered.
• In their Fundamentalist Mosques, almost everywhere, they do preach for such inhuman treatment, not only towards infidels (pagans), but also against the founders of Monotheism, the “Beholders of Devine Books”: Jews, Christians, and Zoroaster’s.
• May fundamentalist Adults, encourage their young children to attack verbally and physically, “foreigners”. They achieve several goals
• So it is not an accident, nor a new phenomena to label America as the “Big SATAN”, and Israel as the “Small SATAN”.
• At Moslem Hajj, in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, the pilgrims are obliged to STONE the SATAN, by circling the Black Stone of Kaabe, and throwing stone inward to the center. They believe that by throwing stone they expel the devil.
• During past 1,300 years, Many “Akhund”s and even “Imam”s, have adopted to call “foreigners” evils, devils, traitors, spies, etc. etc. whose punishment is humiliation, torture, stoning, beheading, and torching. Millions of “foreigners” have so far been expelled as refugees.
Let me share with you some of my conjectures, based on my personal experience, and some other people whom I have asked, during my past several decades of life:
• The wholly book of their religion, compares Jews (and Christians, as they are perceived in Islamic Studies as a late brunch of Jews) with Apes, Monkeys, Pigs, and of course, see them as SATAN (devil).
• All non-Moslems, even in their own homelands, are labeled as “FOREIGNORS”, and as such are perceived to be “SINFULL” and impure, which must be chased away.
Can you, Gloria, imagine, what is the philosophy of Islam, behind throwing STONES, at members of other religions?
Can you answer why those “Ruthless Youngsters” throw stone only on “others”, and not at their “own” Moslems?
Will you kindly, ask yourself, if the phenomenon of “Stoning” foreigners is so common within the Moslem “Shabab” (= restless youngsters) and children, who is responsible for it (Fathers? Mothers? Imams? Educational system? Value system? Mass Media? Writers? …) Who?
One might continue to ask: How did the photographer, at that scene in Hebron, knew
• what to search for?
• How long to remain there?
• At what stage start to make the photography?
• … Especially one can add:
• What parts of the scene have been NOT photographed? And how much of that has been edited, cut out, ignored, and changed?
You, of course can become irritated by these questions, ignore them and let my comments go unread, un-answered.
But I do believe that these are some key questions to pave any type of way to investigate your honest request.
Can you, Gloria, imagine, what is the philosophy of Is
I happened to have seen this posted to Youtube and the moment I saw it, I knew it was drivel.
It’s five parts and gets things severely incorrect.
Those types of situations are existing in an environment where hate and control is upsetting to any environment, and the obvious reaction is bound to be anger– on both sides. That’s why so few of us “like” war of any kind!!!
I need to know if this is true or not, and the real story behind it. It is all over Facebook
If it is so- and as Beverly Smith says- The environment often dictates certain actions that we find unthinkable- And whilst I am not giving any “Buts” per sae` – Can you imagine what would have happened to an Israeli boy caught in Gaza or the PA controlled area-
I can well believe this youth was throwing stones at the soldiers- and unlike in the UK teaching a lesson to this type of hooliganism isn`t carried out with an ASBO. or a putting on the “Naughty Step”
Last week, before I got your question at HR, I happened to meet a Jewish Rabi at my age born and raised in Esfahan, Iran. On his forehead I saw a sign of old injury. I was curious to see whether it had been caused by any accident.
But I was NOT really surprised when he told me how as a small boy at sleep, in the hands of his father, he got injured, by a stone which had been thrown at his head, by a Moslem Youngster.
What is the “real truth” behind Moslems throwing stones at non-Moslems?
How did the photographer, at that scene in Hebron, knew
• when to look?
• where to stand?
• at where to look?
I also would, whole heartedly, join you in the quest after the truth. From time to time, after even 60 years or so, that has past since then, I still feel a sudden pain on my scull where, as a little Jewish boy in Shiraz, Iran, felt the blow of a stone thrown upon my head by a Moslem boy at my age.
Almost every other Jewish boy at Moslem countries has experienced at least once a blow like that. Nobody has ever filmed these. Neither the countless times that we have been, humilated, beaten up, and chaised away.
Now, that I am old, I think that we Jews do not have a good PR practice!
We all know that Israel has practiced military censorship from the very beginning. Censorship of regrettable minor events would better be reported with wit, clinical analysis, ridicule, etc. There are plans afoot within Arab ranks to develop a well produced TV program directed to the larger world. That’s something that Israel has attempted via radio, but a Jon Stewart like program directed at the widest possible audience and as a kind of duel with the Moslem world might go a long way toward a modicum of understanding without the warfare. A few commercials might even make it profitable instead of as costly as bombs and lost lives.
When our enemy has the finger on the pulse of world media and many left wing revisionist ears it behoves a free society to have a greater modicum of common sense. A free society always has a degree of censorship. Occasionally it has to be used.
Much as we certainly deplore anything said or done about the Jews or Israel or Zionism or…., it is the sign of a FREE society that one may do or say both brave and craven things. Do think of all the societies in the world where that is not possible, and celebrate, if you can, that Israel has the freedom to be human in every sense of the word. Be proud in spite of the embarrassment. Would you prefer, as in Russia or most of the Moslem world, that such news be suppressed? Maybe it would be more comfortable, but it certainlty would not honestly allow for the rich diversity of humanity and humane expression that is Israel.
16/6/12 I have just read todays Yediot. Please refer t pp 18-19 and the article by a thoughtless, if not stupid reporter called AKIVA NOVIK [ and I think I shall include the editor as well ] on how cetain Jewish persons are showing young children in the Gush how to use guns
Only 2-3 weks ago we had the regular complaint against the Gazan childrens summer schools teaching their tiny tots to be good shaheedim with army uniform and guns.And we know these kids are brainwashed!
Why o-why if we have some idiot on our side doing something similar must it take up a 2 page spread ? How can I plead pro Israel advocacy with such articles in a prime Israeli newspaper?
Why indeed publish it?
In a series of documents beginning in 1842 and 1913 to 1920? it was repeatedly PROPOSED that the area in question, Palestine and TransJordan, be a Jewish homeland. By 1922, only what we call Palestine was contemplated as a Jewish homeland. All the British good will evaporated when the political wrangling prevailed. I can’t give time to researching the ambiguities and niceties of British politics, but all through history, I think you’ll agree, proposals mean little until facts on the ground are established. It is my perhaps quirky thought that it is justice for BOTH peoples that must be meted out: justice for the Jews from Arab countries AND justice for the Arabs from “Palestine”.
I loved the media watchdog slideshow. Wonderfully clear and organized.
I’d suggest, however, that one slide might need reviewing.
One slide said:
Fact: Polls demonstrate Israelis support peace.
And there were two bars on the graph that were labeled: “Israelis in favor of a two-state solution” and “Israelis opposed to a two-state solution”
One can come away from this slide that the majority (“in favor of a two-state solution”) wants peace while the people who oppose a two-state solution don’t want peace. I don’t think this is the implication you wanted to make. I, for one, am not in favor of a two-state solution, but I definitely want peace.
Again, great slideshow!
If you’re not in favour of a two-state solution, does that mean that you’re in favour of a one-state solution or that you prefer the status quo, ie no solution?
I’m not sure. Whatever it takes to increase peace in Israel. My feeling is that the two-state solution won’t do that. I still wonder how many of my cohorts in the 37% who don’t favor a two-state solution would bristle at the implication that they don’t support peace.
Until Israel can be guaranteed secure boarders 1 state , 2 states or a dozen states- is irrelevant talk.
Words of Mahmoud Abbas – from a disatation of a thesis whilst studying at Moscow University. – “The architect of the strategy for the destruction of Israel – not with one stroke, but gradually…”
Here I quote from The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement. (HAMAS)
“Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts,
. The Islamic Resistance movement is but one squadron that should be supported… until the enemy is vanquished and Allah victory is realized. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine…….” “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavours. Palestine is an Islamic land”…..
Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood and the rest of Jihadis in the Middle East all say the same-
So until that attitude changes- if ever- then there can not be any genuine peace.
Unless you have a different solution?
Why should Israel be the only state in the world with “guaranteed secure borders”?
And why should Israel be the only state in the world that is allowed to inconvenience its neighbours in order to achieve that unreasonable and unattainable goal?
We have been the victims of a carefully contrived Moslem strategy and public relations campaign no less skillful than MacDonalds. Given its promised Judea and Samaria, Israel has generally very defensible borders.
The Moslems are still licking their wounds from having lost Spain and Israel; they’re determined to get them back.But please do read background materials and do acknowledge that 850,000 N.African Jews were made refugees while 700,000 Arabs became refugees. Both issues must be publicized and settled.
You actually talk like you have been there.
Why would any country compromise if it could not secure safe borders- You make no sense!
Inconvenience- What do you know- With the help of Israel, the US and the EU in 2008 the PA gdp was higher than that in the UK. Inconvenience- just because Israel keeps people waiting at crossings checking for suicide bombers- you call an inconvenience-
Go to Syria there you will see inconvenience.
The inconveniences are directed AT Israel; Israel would rather not be forced to remind craven cowards and misguided bullies that Israel is to be respected. I’m no authority on the subject, but my understanding of “eye for an eye” in its full sense was intended as “NO MORE than an eye for an eye.” That injunction was meant probably as incumbent upon all Jews in dealing with each other. My own observation is that Israel, in dealing with its sometimes horrific neighbors,
must always be prepared to take far more than one eye. The Arabs have been so misguided by their malevolent leaders who use a strong brew of hate to control the Arab street!
“Uploaders’ Comments (krimane )
I have been arguing Israels case on the You Tube video of Finklestien on BBC Hardtalk. This is the response from its uploader: and I have now been blocked!
@mombser2 – Please stop abusing the comments section with your understanding of history. the audience is quite capable of making their own mind about what is happening in the middle east and we’ve had enough of your rants. I dislike removing comments but you’re pushing your luck sir.! so please,? enough!
what abuse I gave I do not know- My history taken from well known articles of Joan Peters- Nonni Darwish- Waleed Shoebatt- and HR information-
Who said freedom of speech was dead- ME.
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When sending out a call to your subscribers, i.e., to encourage them to write letters, etc., you would ordinarily generate a message about a given dishonest news item and post it on your website. You would be asking them to write to their congressman, their editor, a journalist, a local TV or radio station, etc. The problem is that 95% or more of your subscribers will read your webpage and think that is a good thing to do, but will do NOTHING, because of the difficulty of finding the names, addresses, email addresses or phone numbers of their congressman, editor, etc…. and because they just don’t simply “have the time right now”
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2. Update the list from month to month. It could turn out to be a file of several thousand entries.
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242 is absolutely clear-
It says “Withdrawal from TERRITORIES”
And simultaneously the ceasing of hostilities against Israel- Both Arafat in his time and certainly Hamas have sworn that hostilities will never cease until Israel is demolished.
These other areas are surely key to a settlement- More and more and from within Jordan there is talk of the West Bank refugees being part of Jordan.
“Jordanians, for decades, were avid proponents of the ‘Jordan is Palestine’ position. They used that position as justification for the annexation of the West Bank, arguing that Palestine was one single, indivisible unit, and that Jordan was the legitimate governing body of Palestine…
‘We are the government of Palestine, the army of Palestine and the refugees of Palestine.’ Prime Minister of Jordan, Hazza’ al-Majali, 23 August 1959
‘Palestine and Transjordan are one.’ King Abdullah, Arab League meeting in Cairo, 12 April 1948
‘Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is one people and one land, with one history and one and the same fate.’ Prince Hassan, brother of King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2 February 1970
‘Jordan is not just another Arab state with regard to Palestine, but rather, Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan in terms of territory, national identity, sufferings, hopes and aspirations.’ Jordanian Minister of Agriculture, 24 September 1980
‘The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.’ King Hussein 1981″
Since then whats changed!
I don’t believe that the Palestinians have moved voluntarily. The territory is occupied by Israelis, they should not be there. The territory is not disputed, even if it were, which it is not, why would anyone think that Israel had any rights over it.
I’m not interested in the US position, I’m interested in what the world, through the UN, says, and, as you said, resolution 242, and many other resolutions, say the Israelis should not be there.
Oh dear! I can see that whatever I say you will never accept- However-
Lets exclude the American take- Here -Resolution 242 para 1- calls for respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognised borders.
There is absolutely no call in the resolution for a return to the armistice demarcation lines.
So now to basics- who were Palestinians? for there are no such people now- The people you seemed to be talking about are the refugees who were left after the 48/50 war- for it was not only Muslims who were given the name Palestinian- There were Hebrews, Christians and others pre 47.
And who created these refugees- Jordan and Egypt. What part are they being asked to play in the statehood of these people- None- Why? Only Israel is being asked to give, give, give. and she has.
Israel land mass under 8000 square kilometers-
Jordan land mass 34500 square kilometers
Egypt land mass 387000 square kilometers.
I know you keep saying it was their land- Well it was not.
However Israel has now relinquished the Gaza to these refugees-
And has recognized the Palestinian Authority with Abbas as its leader-
Its time for Jordan to surrender part of the East Bank to assist in facilitating a new state- So that Israel can have defensible borders- For as sure as there are little green apples- When this new state comes about Hamas will surely take it over- as in Gaza- and Israel will have yet more rockets fired on her.
If , now after 67 years
Well, never say never, and we do agree on the Balfour Declaration, but you’re probably right that I’m unlikely to accept much of what you say.
Resolution 242 says, as you well know, “Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict”. You do know that, do you?
We both perfectly well know the people we’re talking about – the people living in what is now Israel in the few years after WW2. I agree with you that these people included Muslims, Jews and Christians. Let’s call them “Palestinians” as a nice simple, short term, shall we.
Now here’s a difficult one – you say that Jordan and Egypt created these refugees. Really? The refugees fled in fear of attack by Jordanians and Egyptians? Really?
What have land areas got to do with anything?
Where did I say it was their land? Whose land did I say it was?
It’s time for Jordan to surrender part of the East Bank? Really? Who says so? Why is it time?
And yes, Israel is likely to continue to have rockets fired at it until it implements the many and various UN resolutions, conforms to its international treaties, returns stolen land, etc etc, you know the rest.
You appear to me to be stubbornly wrongheaded. Take just your interpretation of 242. It says ‘territories”. Had it said THE territories, you might have had some possible justice on your side, but it doesn’t so that it is generally interpreted as “some part of the territories” and not ALL of the territories. That was resolved some time ago.
Arabs fled the Haifa area, for example, although they were firmly advised by both the British and the local Jewish leadership to stay put. Notice that UNRWA has specified Arabs who were resident 1946-48 as being qualified. Had they said 1900 or 1880, there would be some justice.
Please don’t invoke the holy name of the UN. It has become a farcical, impotent, corrupt body.
How about implementing 1701 in Lebanon for starters as stipulated?! I used to have vanity plates on my car with UNESCO for a license. Thirty years ago, I realized my misplaced idealism. The plates must now be in a county landfill no less estimable than the UN.
I agree that the UN has become a farcical, impotent, corrupt body.
Just look at this resolution, drawn completely at random from the many that apply to Israel. It’s perfectly clear, so why isn’t it enforced, that’s what I want to know, and I’m glad you agree…….
“Israel, as the occupying Power, has failed to provide adequate protection to the civilian population in the occupied territories in conformity with the provisions of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War”. Resolution 471. I won’t go on.
No, I don’t mean that.
Why were there no UN resolutions re- India under British rule? I don’t know.
There were no UN resolutions against Britain when Palestine was under its mandate was there? I don’t know.
It would appear that you expect more from Israel than you do from her adversaries, because it’s Israel that’s got the guns, and refuses to implement many UN resolutions and flouts the Geneva Convention.
As you say, certainly not 242. Nor many others that you’ll be familiar with.
John you must really read the actual convention- Not just listen to what you have been told.
“No. The relevant clause, Article 49, prohibits the “occupying power” from transferring population into the “occupied territory.” Aside from the fact that the territory is not occupied, but disputed, Morris Abrams, the U.S. Ambassador to the UN in Geneva, had pointed out that the clause refers to the forcible transfer of large populations. By contrast, the settlements involve the voluntary movement of civilians. The U.S. Department of State, accordingly, does not view Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention as applicable to settlement activity in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. For that reason, the official U.S. position has been over the years that settlements are legal, even though successive administrations have criticized them on political grounds. (Only the Carter administration for a short time held that settlements were illegal; this position was overturned by the Reagan administration.) “
I don’t have the exact figures on hand, but Israel has grown bitter about the scandalous UN partiality and the many Islamic members who time and after time manage topass resolutions perhaps 20 or 30 times as for any other nation. There are obvious bloody outrages occurring elsewhere that are never the victims of UN resolutions. It’s a newspaperman’s dream: the country is so small, there are so many points of view expressed with vivid, unafraid intensity in many western languages. Jews by their very culture allow for all kinds of advanced and colorful ideas that make the correspondents’ job all the easier. The media certainly have missed the big
story: the neglected Mizrahi Jewish refugees
Yes, <> is correct in the sense you meant it. Most native English speakers don’t understand how to use the apostrophe correctly, although the rule is simple (with a few exceptions, mainly related to pronouns and proper nouns), it’s just not taught in schools for some mad reason. If the word does not end in s, then add ‘s. If the word does end in s (as with your word, regimes), then add an apostrophe on its own (there’s an exception – possessive pronouns such as its don’t take an apostrophe – but it’s does, when it’s an abbreviation for it is).
Scandalous UN partiality? Why? How many other countries are in military occupation of a neighbour and have been for generations?
For some reason, the word regimes’ did not appear inside the angle brackets
There is no occupation- You can not be occupying a land that the original ruler did not want-ie Jordan.
However better examples are Yemen, Nigeria and Sudan- Theydont occupy anyone- They just kill them or drive them out to another country.
I understand that you think that you are attempting to be objective, but perhaps you would be better served by first reading Joan Peters’ book with its minor faults. I think that you are hiding behind fences that you yourself set up against a comprehensive, balanced view of all the facts and issues involved.
You’re not saying that it is reasonable and you’re not saying that it isn’t?
But at least you agree with me that the Balfour declaration is reasonable, that’s a start.
John when are you going to answer my question-?
Because there was no reply button next to it, for some unknown reason, that’s happened before now.
There is barely a country that failed to come about without someone being “Inconvenienced”
That may be true, although I can’t immediately think of any others in modern history that parallels what’s happened here over many years now.
So I ask you again-
Pakistan was created out of India- 12 million Indians displaced- 1 million died in the process-
Is that similar to your analogy?
I cannot think why that’s relevant, but I’m happy to answer. No, it’s not similar, the power that created the mess – Britain – didn’t stay in permanent military occupation of a subjugated people, as has happened in Palestine, in flagrant violation of many UN resolutions.
Should Pakistan not be an Islamic state?
Pakistan can be whatever sort of state it likes.
Should all the Hindus rejected from West and East Pakistan as it was- be returned?
Yes, If they want to return. I have no idea what the situation is in that regard. Similarly, Muslims who fled to what became Pakistan should be allowed to return to India if they want to, perhaps they are so allowed, I don’t know.
You mean its not relevant because it fails your agenda-
However read your answer again- and think-
Why were there no UN resolutions re- India under British rule?
There were no UN resolutions against Britain when Palestine was under its mandate was there?
And what resolutions has Israel not adhered to that hold international laws- certainly not 242!
And what about the 1st UN resolution 181 to whit the Arabs refused to accept.?
It would appear that you expect more from Israel than you do from her adversaries-
And this is the problem with you thesis-
“Fri. 29 Jul. 2011 @ 13.06 –
Hamas foreign minister reiterates Hamas’ rejection of two-state solution and commitment to gaining ‘Palestine in its entirety’ by force.
Hamas’ foreign minister, Mahmoud Al-Zahar, recently conducted a television interview in which he once more set out Hamas’ rejection of Israel’s right to exist. He argued that ‘Palestine in its entirety is Islamic waqf land, which cannot be relinquished’:
‘At this moment in time, we say to you, first of all: We want Palestine in its entirety – so there will not be any misunderstandings. If our generation is unable to achieve this, the next one will, and we are raising our children on this. Palestine means Palestine in its entirety, and Israel cannot exist in our midst.’
Al-Zahar also declared that Hamas would view any Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank, or a compromise agreement with the Palestinian Authority, as only a ‘first stage’ towards the destruction of Israel in its entirety. He asserted that this was the key difference between Hamas and their secular rivals, Fatah.”
When you can Israel how to resolve this- then I will listen to your views- Until then I suggest you visit the pro Hamas web sites and persuade them to change their attitude.
In reply to your reservations regarding the pain that is implicit in nation building, you have only to begin with the embattled nations of Africa and the relatively new nations cut out of the Middle East. Syria’s minorities and others of neighboring Arab countries are other cases in point.Incidentally, when you speak of the discomforts that Israel imposes on recalcitrant Arabs, do consider please what Syria is doing to its own minorities and what it would gladly do to the Jews of Israel. In our studies we consider the barbarism of past ages and some of us fail to realize the same kind of barbarism lurks in many regime’s breast this very hour.
I’m not convinced that the Balfour Declaration was more than a proposal representing the best British instincts and gratitude. It had no legal validity and it was issued with the whole of Palestine and Transjordan in mind. By 1922, with the creation of TransJordan, the possible Jewish homeland was reduced by 80%. With the British Mandate, thousands more Arabs poured in from neighboring states seeking employment and further reduced the size of the prospective homeland.
And today, we note that many thousands of NGO sponsored African Moslems are pouring across the Sinai into Israel and demanding refugee status. Note the riots in south Tel Aviv!
Since 1902, so many cunning conspiracies….
“But it’s extraordinary that you don’t agree. You’re saying then, I think, that the creation of a Jewish state would be reasonable even if that meant uprooting millions of non-Jews?”
NO. That is what YOU are saying.
You have invented a hypothetical case that can never happen.
WHY have you done this?
“The Balfour declaration said “…..it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine….” Do you think that’s reasonable, I do.”
Yes I think it is reasonable assuming that the Arabs do nothing to prejudice their own and the Jews’ civil and religious rights. They have, however, done that from well before the founding of the state of Israel and continue increasingly today.
Zionism is not the point. The point is hate directed towards Jews. I am 85 years of age and have the experience of knowing what I am writing about. WW2 was a grand experience in that respect. I never witnessed more hate than that period. But, proudly, I did not let hate consume me. For the second time I enlisted in another war: The Korean War
Zionism asks only that the Jews have their own state. Had it not been for Zionism there would be no Israel and Jews would forever be subject to more holocausts.
Zionism does not as you falsely state lead to discrimination against non Jews. But non Jews and, indeed, Jews who deny Jews their own state and wish to annihilate that state can not and should not be treated with kid gloves.
I would like to know where you get your statistics about the numbers of Jews immigrating to and emigrating from Israel. If there are such stats they probably come from the same sources as your other anti Israel misinformation. Those sources that you prefer to believe and there are many are the real manipulators of information. As are people like you.
We’ve been here before….
Zionists asking that Jews have thier own state is perfectly reasonable, it’s how that was done and the aftermath that has created the problem.
It’s not perfectly reasonable that Zionism should ask that Jews have their own state if that means that millions of non-Jews should have their lives destroyed for generations. Do you agree?
“It’s not perfectly reasonable that Zionism should ask that Jews have their own state if that means that millions of non-Jews should have their lives destroyed for generations. Do you agree?”
Millions of non Jews were not displaced as you imply. The pseudo Palestinians for the most part left at the behest of their leaders, hoping to return in days to grab what the supposed-to-be dead Jews left.
The PP’s are the only refugees in history that, thanks to the UN and their brother Arabs, can pass their refugee status to their descendants.
Approximately 700,000 Arabs became refugees. Approximately 850,000 Jews from Arab lands became refugees.
They are the only refugees in history that have not been able to integrate within a single generation with the populations of the countries to which they fled.
The Jews have all been settled and integrated, mostly in Israel but also in some other countries.
The PP’s cause such disruption and turmoil that they are unwelcome wherever they go. Their Arab brethren want them kept as refugees so that their willing tools like J.B. can use them against Israel.
But it’s extraordinary that you don’t agree. You’re saying then, I think, that the creation of a Jewish state would be reasonable even if that meant uprooting millions of non-Jews?
We’re not yet at the point of discussing whether or not any of that actually happened, merely the theoretical point of whether such a scenario is reasonable. You’re saying that you think it is, I’m saying that I think it isn’t.
The Balfour declaration said “…..it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine….” Do you think that’s reasonable, I do.
The Balfour declaration said “…..it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine….” Do you think that’s reasonable, I do.””” That is perfectly correct- And considering the existence of the 1.5 million Israeli Muslims (Out of a population of 7 million)
Across the board -In the Judiciary, the Knesset, the universities, the military, in medicine, sports and the arts.
With positions of judges, MP`s, Mayors, lecturers, generals and majors.
In fact it was a Muslim judge that tried and sentenced Katsav the Israeli ex- president for rape!
I think the Israelis have honoured that- dont you!
We sure have been here before- so here is the same answer as before-
56 Islamic states- of which 12million Indians were displaced to invent it- Should that go back to the Hindu`s?
49 Roman Catholic-
12 Eastern Orthodox
You object to ONE Jewish state!
56 Islamic states- of which 12million Indians were displaced to invent Pakistan- Should that go back to the Hindu`s?
Correction to other post.
I don’t believe that I’ve said I object to a Jewish state. I can’t imagine why I would, because I don’t.
Let me rephrase the question – “is it reasonable to create a state for a group of people when that causes distress to others?”
I think the answer to that question, which in essence is the one I posed, must surely be no, mustn’t it?
There is barely a country that failed to come about without someone being “Inconvenienced”
So I ask you again-
Pakistan was created out of India- 12 million Indians displaced- 1 million died in the process-
Is that similar to your analogy?
Should Pakistan not be an Islamic state?
Should all the Hindus rejected from West and East Pakistan as it was- be returned?
No amount of media manipulation will alter the fact that Zionism results in rank discrimination and eventually persecution of non-Jews. It’s clear that the majority of Jews are rejecting Zionist principles. How many Jews have you heard about lately who are “making Aliyah” i.e. emigrating to Israel? Instead, large numbers of Israelis are constantly leaving Israel for other countries, even Germany (!). The time is coming when this social experiment, Zionism, will find up on the same trash heap with the other social experiments of the 20th Century (Socialism, Communism, etc.)
So “Harry” In that case explain the existence of the 1.5 million Israeli Muslims (Out of a population of 7 million)
SO HARRY BOY EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!
Sorry, but that is simply not the case. Obama is a Christian. But, don’t let facts get in your way.
Why is an answer necessary. After you will read the book by the Journalist Joan Peters, “from time Immamorial” you will under a bit more of why there are muslims In Israel. The reason is better than why is France today more than 10% muslim every other child born in Spain and Holland is Muslim. England is not in a better situation. The spider legs of Islam is choking the world. and if somebody doesn’t do something about it all the countries in Europe will have a Muslim president like the United States of America.
Israel is suffocatingly tiny and a large number of Israelis get away, if they can, for months at a time. There are, I hear, thousands of Israelis working in the Silicone Valley and at universities all around the world. A great deal is shared to mutual advantage and to Israel’s reputation in basic and applied science, having won alrady more than 7200 patents. Other isms were chiefly socio-economic experiments. Zionism has synthesized the wisdom of millenia; it evolves and is not rigidly stagnant but is available to the world, not imposed like other isms.
Palestinian sentenced to death for selling his home to Israelis:
Obviously, the story has been overlooked by mainstream media.
No, the media has largely ignored this one rather than ‘overlooked in mainstream media’ for PC reasons, or fear of their lives if they report from those countries or deal with those same Moslems, because ‘that religion of peace’ values death of its detractors even if the criticism is obvious, rational and well-documented. Also, isn’t it easier to criticize one that doesn’t fight back with murder and terrorism in reply to such commentary?
A fair assumption is that these little Palestinian boys are just imitating their elders with little expectation of a sometimes fatal blow. But these stone throwing practices are frequently highly skilled and deadly/. Once you’ve experienced it yourself, you will be forever shocked at how a mere child can be so lethal. If the reports are accurate, although they’re so easily contrived lies these days, we all bemoan any cruelty particularly to children and women, but sadly not when they are capable of such unjustified cruelty to innocent others. Of course, one’s uninformed historical and political views may often revert to puerile sentimentality, not full understanding of the complex issues
To MINE, HR APRIL 23 2012 By Avi
Documentary of Moslem brutal attack on Graves of Australian Defenders
Dear MINE and all those who think like you
You will probably enjoy every second of the following documentary evidence. You probably count it as a celebration when the Moslems destroy the Australian War Memorial Toombs and break the Christian and Jewish Memorial Stones of those who have sacrificed their lives to Protect Humanity from the Sadists of the last century.
Watch below and enjoy it:
You criticize Jews and Israel as much as you can. What would you do if some Jews would do what some of Moslems do?
As you can see in the documentary, not one Moslem, not a pack of them’ but a cult of them act so brutally against the dead, against other’s symbols, believes, culture, and heritage. And YOU dear mindless MINE, not only have no word of criticism, but most possibly enjoy and even support their primitivity and brutality!!!
Offence on graves of death, is a starting point of offence against humans.
There is a saying: “where books are burned, humans will be burned”
I say: “Where the graves are attacked, humans will be attacked as well”
I also say: “Where the symbols and signs of a culture are attacked, eventually also humans will be attacked”
So stop the “symbolic” attack before it is too late! NO tolerance and no forgiveness for verbal mines of mindless “MINES”.
To MINE HR 2012–04–18 By Avi
The following report is taken from “IRAN Human Rights” site, whose address is
The whole site, and this report, might be of interest to those twisted minds like your-self. You are even invited to move and live in Iran to witness (and most probably enjoy) these Islamic-Iranian daily “Actions”. Then you can complain about Jews, why do not they satisfy you like your dearest friend in Iran!?
But be careful there, because you might very well be one of them…
“2011: The highest number of annual executions in the past 11 years Sources: Amnesty International (AI) and Iran Human Rights (IHR):
• 2000: 165 (AI)
• 2001: 75 (AI)
• 2002: 316 (AI)
• 2003: 154 (AI)
• 2004: 108 (AI)
• 2005: 94 (AI)
• 2006: 177 (AI)
• 2007: 317 (AI)
• 2008: 350 (IHR), (346; AI)
• 2009: 402 (IHR), (388; AI)
• 2010: 546 (IHR) (adjusted to 646)*
• 2011: 676 (IHR) : Official: 416 non-official: 260
* 100 of the 140 executions in the province of South Khorasan (Birjand) that were confirmed by the Iranian officials have been added to the 2010 numbers”
Of course, this is nothing as compared with Syrian Asad who has killed so far about 9,000 men, women, old, and young and children of many Syrian Tribes. You seem to be very proud of your dear friends…
I luv it- better than “Dads Army”-
Though I am a bit disappointed that you have not thought up a better line than the last one.
I think you need someone to feed you some better sound bites- Try an editor from the Di Sturmur.
No! that’s to complicated for you to understand- The Beano Comic might be more to your mentality-
Hey how about knocking on Mossely`s coffin- I know consult Amerdinijad or Assad -
I await the next installment. with bated breath. Thank you for the entertainment.
DO NOT RESPOND
Ignore the ignoramus.
Don’t give him the satisfaction of arousing your ire.
HE IS NOT WORTH IT
Micky- Thats what the Jews in Germany did- They ignored Hitler- thinking he would “go away”
We dont lay down anymore- We slag these vermin off in any way possible-
He/she irks me not- I amuse at its pathetic nonsense- and it shows others who use this site, those who are neither for or against- just what the Jews and Israelis have to challenge.
Evil though he was and warped as it was, Hitler had a brain.
Mine, to quote one Steve Mann, who correctly assessed this perverted degenerate, “He would need a brain to be that clever!”
Mine only gets his lascivious thrills from irking others.
Don’t assist him in his masturbatory efforts.
Actually Micky- I have been looking over this “Things” posts.
I have and I think justifiably, come to the conclusion that it is a British Muslim of Pakistan descent.
These guys are cowards and thats why “It” tends to portray itself as a disgruntled ant-Semite.
of a fascist background. And “It” will not be very old-
Its an interesting hypothesis- And “Its” words and attitude fit the M.O.
That fits the MO of a
“drooling simpleton spawn of a marriage between two first cousins.”
“Agree or Disagree:”
I haven’t seen any reference here to the fact that Chaim Weizmann’s invented a substitute for unavailable acetone during WWI at British request. It was an essential ingredient for their big guns. When he solved the problem and was asked by Balfour how he might be repaid, Weizmann asked that the century old British idea (Churchill’s ancestor in 1842) of a Jewish homeland be granted. It included Palestine and Jordan, but Churchill in the best British tradition in 1922 saw fit to redesign that ME map. He hoped to win favor to secure the exchequer post.
Incidentally, in the matter of 242, I’ve heard that the misunderstanding of its implication derives from an ambiguity of language. Reportedly, the absence of a “the” in front of “territories” in English is a source of misunderstanding and discussion as here. I believe that the French translation necessarily includes the French equivalent of “the” les.
The real sorrow is that the Palestinian Arabs did not accept the generous UN proposal for two states and attacked a sovereign Israel. Had they stayed exactly where they were nothing could have happened. It was the enmities that ensued that led to the 700,000 Arab refugees, BUT it was the Arab League’s military revenge and failure that caused the 850,000 Arab Jews’ 1948-67 (Mizrahim) expulsion from N. Africa. “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” How about calling it a population swap?
Why am I not surprised that you fail to grasp the irony of comparing Jews to Nazis while at the same time making antisemitic comments yourself?
Could it perhaps be due to your single-digit IQ…
Wow- the”mime” speaks- And what knowledge-
The Hashemites were from the Sahara Desert- Abdullah their leader assisted Lawernce in fighting the Turks to oust them from Palestine-
After the success and Britain ruled the area- Lawrence persuaded Wimston Churchill to give the Eastern side of the River Jordan to Abdullah and his people- nothing to do with the French- The French “Pinched ” the area now known as Syria- The place where their leader has killed 10000 of his own people, nice guy. So your history lesson to me was “Crap”-
And keep it up I just find you so amusing in your obvious childish hate- There are those who want to ignore you- I dont- I just laugh at your infantile rants- “Just found an Israeli demonstrator, so I smashed his face in with a rifle.” Doesn`t that just show others how your mind works-
You probably have never held a rifle in your life-
And you would probably mess your pants if you ever had to look down the barrel of one!
Cant wait for your next rant- As Nothing funnier on the TV.
He would need a brain to be that clever!
I would like to recieve Honest Reporting Daily News Stream at my e-mail address. I was receiving, but not any longer. Kyra “Annie” Parker Nelson, firstname.lastname@example.org
And the saddest part is, “Mine” doesn’t even know he’s insane! I agree that it is important that whoever comes to this post sees the kind of sick hatred that we have to put up with–some people have no idea. They should be given the opportunity for a “balanced” exposure to the reality Jews live with — and if you think it’s just a lone demented person – check out sites like “jew watch” and youtube–you’ll realize that this insane with hate person “mine” has others–lots of them–who “think” in nothing but violent and hateful terms.
I’m sure that you understand that the insane don’t KNOW that they’re insane; otherwise, we wouldn’t label them insane.
One of my friends, who is married into a family of conspiracy theorists, find her one-quarter Jewish blood an endless stimulus for hostile Jewish references often framed as humor.
They are otherwise well educated but see all manner of conspiracies everywhere and are particularly proud of what remnants of German heritage remain.
And I do not want to see his posts deleted- let him rant-
To those who are less bias it shows the kind of mindset that the Israelis have to put up with.
That is cruel. You don’t tell a drug addict to go ahead and take more and more drugs till you kill yourself.
This “mine” guy is an addict, a junky. He gets his highs from the responses his filthy letters generate.
With each response he probably, drooling profusely, goosesteps around his little padded room and heils his swastika flag and his treasured pictures of Adolph und Goebbels und Goering und Himmler and the rest of his heros. He may even get so excited that he soils his diaper – several times.
I don’t know if he can be rehabilitated. If worse comes to worse being unable to raise anyone’s ire may cause him to be so frustrated that he
becomes suicidal. A sure cure.
Steve, as for the rants that the Israelis must put up with, Jews all over the world still hear them. Thanks to the platforms given “mine” and his sick, motley crew of neo-Nazis and Koranic “Submitters” those rants are growing ever more numerous and loud.
Give them no platforms from which to be heard. It will save the world a lot of grief.
If everyone who has and is tempted to respond to herr mine’s version of the facts I say Sha, Shtill. DO NOT RESPOND. He will soon vanish.
D O N O T R E S P O N D D O N O T R E S P O N D
I told him to write more and I`ve waited- He has gone away-
Its like a child tell it to do something and it wont- Tell it not to and it will!
Worth thinking about!
I have been known to be right on rare occasions.
Do you suppose it was the “diaper” part that struck home?
Beware. He may appear with a different disguise. Possibly an over sized nose.
This guy “mine” amuses me. One voice he praises the Brit soldiers and rightly so, for assisting the liberation of Europe and hence the ending of the concentration camps- To which over 60,000 Jewish soldiers lost their lives in the operation of:
Then blames the Jews for having a land that the British Minister Balfour promised to them.
When the time came for that to happen- The British government RENEGED on its promise-
and chickened out.
This of course after in 1920 80% of the land promised was given to the Hashemite tribe from the Sahara Desert- now known as Jordan- This we hear very little about- no one ever says- Hashems go back to Saudi where you come from- this land is Palestinian!-do they?
What is usually forgotten is the role that Chaim Weizmann played in the matter of the Balfour Declaration. He was a very successful chemist, and when the British lost their acetone source during WWI, they solicited a substitute product to fire they cannons. For his success, Weizmann was granted his wish and the Declaration followed; however, as we all know, the promise of a Jewish homeland included what are now BOTH Israel and Jordan. Perfidious Albion!
That’s the British idea of diplomacy and the world is still suffering from it today: Iraq, Iran, etc.
Where does it say that the promise of a Jewish homeland included what are now both Israel and Jordan, and who are the “we” who all know that?
Yes, the British did some terrible things in the past.
Read the Balfour declaration-
Then read the Curse of L & A by Jack wheeler-
Who opens the door on Lowell Thomas and his connection with Captain T.E Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) which he mortalised- And Lawrences connection with the Hashem tribe from the Hejaz-(Sahara) Hence you will learn why Trans Jordan came about!
You haven’t answered my question – Where does it say that the promise of a Jewish homeland included what are now both Israel and Jordan, and who are the “we” who all know that?
Most of my questions on this site don’t get answered, odd, that. Well, perhaps it’s not odd that this question isn’t answered, since there is no answer.
“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment***** in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people*****, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”
See the bit between the *******
I view with favour the establishment***** in London of a national home for myself*****, and will use my best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object…
In 1917 Palestine included the West Bank and all of what was eventually to become Trans Jordan.
The Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the United Kingdom’s Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.
His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
No, it didn’t.
Thank you, I am already aware of the details of the Balfour Declaration. This is a declaration created by a Btitish government which some posters here seem to regard as anti-semitic. Odd, that.
“This is a declaration created by a Btitish government which some posters here seem to regard as anti-semitic.”
Another Bradford invention.
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Arthur James Balfour
Don’t worry laddie; I’m certain that your attempts to become a Darwin Award winner will be rewarded eventually.
From your moronic rants it sounds like you’ve been sniffing too much glue lately.
Now be a good lad and go back to playing blind man’s buff on the motorway.
The word is “Bluff”.
But then how would you know?
Why is this piece of garbage permitted to vomit his filth on this site?
What does his vile input do to advance the discussion?
This is not freedom of speech.
This is a perpetuation of Naziism.
Please cleanse this thread of his hatemongering garbage.
I would guess that British anti-Semitism is less insidious than that found in many other countries, but it has had a very obvious place in British literature for seven hundred years from Chaucer through Shakespeare and Marlowe through the 20th century. There has been a mutual admiration between the British of certain classes and the Germans. Several British royals have included Germans. It may sound somewhat poisonous the way the matter was stated, but…
I am more concerned with a list of the 400 highest earners in the US in 2010 on which, considering the per cent of Jews in the US, only 10 names should have appeared. Incomes were derived from fortuitous investments. This can only fill folks with pride in some circles and deepest resentment in others. I think that it’s wonderful that some are so creative and do so much to stimulate economic growth at a time when it is so sorely needed.
I’m sorry. In my effort not to be inflamatory, I neglected to suggest that among the 400, there were more than ten times as many uncommonly high earners among those identified as Jews.
This was an article in a fair minded Jewish publication.
I remember the British and their military men as evil monsters when it came to aiding the Jews. The British are, after all, the Nazi’s cousins.
I can’t imagine how many incarnations it will take for you to correct the hatred you carry and spew into the world. May G-d help you.
I liked the Rav story, thanks. It would be great if the truth held such sway today. Let’s just keep at it, plugging away and maybe truth will become fashionable again someday.
——————- I’m not a MAN ————–
But thanks for the response.
To Miriam & Those who care about Facts
Moslems of Israel: New immigrants
Refugees from the Arab/Moslem World, during past century.
Facts of life in Israel (“Palestine”) taken from John Pitters book “From Time Immemorial”, 1984
Before Zionism (1897), at year 1859, within the city of Jerusalem, the number of Moslems scored only 4,000, and constituted only a minority of 30%. The number of Jews scored 6,000 and constituted the MAJORITY of population. They all grow: Moslems to 10,000 at 1912, scoring only 14% of the population. Israeli Jews to 45,000 absolute MAJORITY of 64%
TOTAL Jews Moslems Chritians Year
13,340 6,000 (45%) 4,000 (30%) 3,340 (25%) 1859
45,420 28,112 (62%) 8,560 (19%) 8,748 (19%) 1896
45,596 28,288 (62%) 8,560 (19%) 8,748 (19%) 1900
70,000 45,000 (64%) 10,000 (14%) 15,000 (21%) 1912
The Majority of today’s Moslem residents of Jerusalem have come AFTER the initiation of Zionist Movement, due to the prosperity that Jews have brought to Israel.
They have smuggled into Israel, to find job and income, similar to today’s Sudanese who cross the border from Egypt to Israel.
The “Palestinians” of Israel are refugees from Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Saudia, North Africa and other Moslem Countries.
The boom started during 1940′s. This is why they never talk about 1930′s and earlier years.
During past centuries, the POPEs of Vatican used to send delegates to estimate the various populations who resided in Israel. In 1690′s according to POPE’s report, the Moslems who lived in entire “Palestine”, were less that 1%. The Majority of “Palestinian” residents were Jews. The largest minority then were Christians.
At 1690′s only 10 families of Moslems (refugees from outside) lived in Um-El-Phahem, with no Mosque, and one Christian Church.
Avi, Thank you for this excellent post. I always refer people to From Time Immemorial, Joan Peter’s book because not only is it full of facts based on multiple sources of written documentation, including Arab sources themselves, the author actually began writing her book from a perspective that was very much aligned with the “poor suffering palestinians” and went through a major transformation when she dug into the FACTS. A great book and a great way to become informed in a factual way instead of trying to understand the situation just reading current news which is infected with layer upon layer of propaganda that has been repeated so many times, some of it people believe only because they’ve seen it so many times in print– that doesn’t make it true, but you wouldn’t know it! My advice: don’t base your opinions on the distorted views on the internet and the news, read a book like “From Time Immemorial” and check out Peter’s sources: you will find them to be accurate and if you go back a few decades you’ll see that Arab newspapers, government papers, studies and books verify Joan Peter’s very well written, stringently documented book. Get informed somewhere besides the media before you form your opinion! Gabi
TRUTH and FACTS vis a vis MAJORITY and NARRATIVE
Hi Gabi & all those who care about FACTS of life
Here you got me unprepared to hear from a prominent knowledgeable man like you, such a complement. Appreciate it very much.
What are FACTS and NARRATIVES about “Palestine”?
There seems to be an essential gap between terms like “Truth, Facts, Reality, Objectivity, Reliability, Accountability, the like” on one hand, and “Ideology, Narrative, Majority, Desire, Belief, Legality, Subjectivity, Legal Rights, Custom, Culture, the like”, on the second hand.
Incidentally this type of contrast has been documented in Jewish literacy (in Gmara), about 1,800 years ago.
The story goes like that:
A Roman Governor of Occupied Israel (before Islam was launched, or any Arab had any “legal rights” over this land), invited to dialogue, with a 10 year old Jewish student, whose name is RAV.
But the messenger was ordered not to tell where the governor would accept the kid. Young RAV asked the first guard where to go. He said to the Garden. RAV asked the second guard. The answer was in the Main Hall. RAV asked a third Guard. He pointed to the Garden.
So RAV went to the Garden and met the Governor.
The Roman Governor asked RAV how had he found out where to go? RAV described what he and the Guards had exchanged.
The Governor asked: “Then you admit that MAJORITY has convinced you to find the meeting place?” Young RAV agreed.
Then the Governor concluded: “You, Jewish people, who believe in one God, are only a small minority. We the Pagans, on the other hand, are the MAJORITY. Thus you should accept the MAJORITY vote and leave MONOTHEISM. You admitted that the MAJORITY determines…”
Young (10 year-old) RAV said: “MAJORITY accounts and determines, only where the TRUTH is not known”…
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While serving in WW2 as an 18 year old I discovered so much hate. And then it occurred to me that the Goyem had so much hate in their ‘souls’ they had to go after a minority who were highly vulnerable to spew their hatred against. By the way I’m glad I wasen’t filled with hate against my oppressers. You see I also volunteered in the Korean War
Just one minute correction-
“From Time Immemorial ” was written by Joan Peters and not John Pitters- (Understandable error)
The reason this New York journalist embarked on her quest was that she could not understand how the refugees of the Palestinian Mandated land could exist for over 50 years.
Her book is very explicit- She consulted many avenues including papers and documents from the UN . She classify`s all her work -
The anti-Israeli Journalist Chomsky made attempt to rubbish her findings- but fails miserably.
He never attempted to check the documents quoted- He just used rhetoric and sound bites.
Peters’ book is one of my favorites and I’d like to believe that hers is a completely accurate account. It isn’t quite although I love it dearly. Were I new to the book, I would read it a couple of times and then check with some of her critics because one doesn’t wish to be caught arguing from flawed accounts. She is wonderfully persuasive.
THANK YOU!!!! I do appreciate your statistics very very much!
Dear mine-headed mindless MINE
Your immoral fathers used to use “No Jews”. Now that they have been exported to their proper hell, you have invented the new substitue “No Israel”
But it seems that the black whole of your mind and soul, has swallowed the fact that when your granees declared “No Jews”, the Formal State of Israel was not yet revived. and what was the life like? Let’s explore:
“No Israel = No Humanity”
“No Israel = No houner”
“No Israel = No morality”
“No Israel = No safety”
“No Israel = No truth”
“No Israel = No freedom”
“No Israel = No honesty”
“No Israel = No concience”, etc., etc,
and above all
“No Israel = Nobody to blame for your (and your dearest terrostic freinds) criminality, distortion, lies, shamelessness, stupidity, ignorance, blood thirst, immorality, inquisition, law of sowrd, slavery, dictatorship, arrogance, and evility…”
If this is your way to revive your fathers “No Jews” and label it “No Isarel”, then you should know that the way you end is the way your fathers have ended…
I am sure Jimi can speak for themselves-
However it is only in recent years that these have had to “PopUp2
To counter the “LIES the Mis Information” that people like you (And you come over as a Jihadi Islamist- Dar ul-Harb Dar ul-Islam) Have been spreading for years.
No- I mean on defense-
1948 attacked by 6 Arab states.
1967- Egypt, Jordan and Syria plan to-gether to attack-Egypt`s Abdul Nassar masses his troops at the Israeli/Sinia border and orders the UN observers OUT.
1971- Egypt attacks across the Suez canal.
Suicide bombers from Islamic Jihadi groups within Gaza and the West Bank attack civilians in Bus Stations , cafe`s and on buses.
Sharon gives Gaza to the PA- pulls out every Jew and Israeli- And then rockets are fired on a daily basis.
That in my book is 60% on defense-
As has been said -
If the Arabs were to get rid of their weapons there would be peace-
If Israel were to- There would be no more Israel.
Obama has proved that he is an evil menace to any and all good people. He tried to get Israel to commit suicide last year. At last the American people are starting to wake up (they still have a ways to go.)
“No Israel = No apartheid practicing, rascist, supremicist, ignorent [...]”
What a dunce!
May I suggest a long holiday for brain reconstruction.
Perhaps then you will learn to spell and usr correct words.
Were you speaking to me as acting as though I live in Israel? The hours given suggest that you were. Many generations of my family have preceded and succeeded me there and I have spent many long years on the HU faculty in Jerusalem as well as made almost yearly visits since 1952. I am looking forward to retiring and making my aliya in a few weeks.
My chief preoccupation regarding Israel is calling to world attention the unacknowledged injustice done our Mizrahim. No attempts at negotiations are plausible without including the situation of the Mizrahim. I may be simple minded, but I believe that Jordan is welcome to be apartheid Judenrein, but Judea and Samaria should be part of Israel.
OK, you make your position clear – you think the occupied Palestinian territories should be part of Israel.
What should happen to the people who live there now, in your view?
PS – can you, M. Sphardi, answer my question – Where does it say that the promise of a Jewish homeland included what are now both Israel and Jordan, and who are the “we” who all know that?
No “mine” less antisemitism.!
No “mine” less ignorance!
No “mine” the Israeli`s would not have to spend 60% of their GDP on defense!
No people like “mine” and there would be less LIES told about Israel!
@David, we are not paranoid. I know you have your hands full in Israel. Seems you don’t know any more about us than I do what is “really” happening in Israel.
How could we be paranoid? Hasn’t he made it obvious to you that he has no use for Israel and Loves Islam and anyone connected to it that gives him $$?
It is a mess over here.
“Media Knows the Results in Advance. The entire thing is a Hoax
I know the world probably wonders why the stupid Americans voted Obama in. WE DID NOT.
We LOVE Israel. Obama hates us; hates Israel.
This is a video from the Vatican about all of the voter fraud here. It has been going on for a while.
What is wrong with Youtube? If this anti-semitic collection does not deserved to be banned as hate speech, what does? Is Youtube waiting for the next gunman to kill Jewish schoolchildren?
Recently, mr. obama (deliberately in lower case) had a little chat with the UN about “hate speech.”
I am in the USA, and there is a large uproar right now…but I did want to stop by and tell you that.
The same thing is happening here in the States.
I apologize for interrupting…just got this in my inbox…and wanted you to know what the hell Obama is up to now!
You, more than likely, know a lot more about it than we do here in the U.S. I just wanted you to know that we are behind you and praise you for all that you have to put up with. I cannot imagine what you go through in Israel.
“Obama Advisor Wants Syrian Resistance to Israel”.
When it comes up on a more popular site, I will copy and paste the comments to show you how American citizens have you in our thoughts and prayers.
Have you noticed – not one person has mentioned that and someone must of seen the “Mombser” who did this-
It was broad daylight- was he masked? was he tall, short or fat? Was he white or black?
Unusually on every media sight not one journalist has asked these questions- which would usually be the first ones they ask.
Four shot dead at French Jewish school
TOULOUSE, France | Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:03am GMT
(Reuters) – At least four people, including three children, were killed, when a man on a scooter opened fire outside a Jewish school in Toulouse in southwestern France on Monday, officials said.
The attack also left several injured, two of them seriously, and followed the killing of three soldiers in two separate shootings in the same region last week by a man who escaped on a scooter.
BFM TV news channel said that the gun used in the attack at the Ozar Hatorah school was of the same calibre as that used in the soldiers’ shootings, but a spokesman for the interior ministry could not immediately confirm this.
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President Nicolas Sarkozy cancelled other appointments and was on his way to Toulouse on Monday morning, accompanied by Education Minister Luc Chatel and the president of the CRIF French Jewish association, Richard Prasquier.
“I saw two people dead in front of the school, an adult and a child … Inside, it was a vision of horror, the bodies of two small children,” a distraught father whose child attends the school told RTL radio.
“I did not find my son, apparently he fled when he saw what happened. How can they attack something as sacred as a school, attack children only sixty centimetres tall?”
Several other people were injured, two of them seriously.
A rabbi at the school, identified as Rahamim Sabag, told Israel’s channel two television that the dead were a 30-year old rabbi who taught at the school, the rabbi’s five-year-old son and two eight-year old children, one of them the daughter of the school’s principal.
A spokesman for Israel’s foreign ministry, Yigal Palmor, expressed outrage at the killings: “We are following with great shock reports coming from Toulouse and we trust the French authorities will solve this crime and bring those responsible to justice.”
A spokesman for the interior ministry said that security was being tightened at all Jewish schools in the country.
About 50 investigators are already looking into the killings of two soldiers on Thursday in the town of Montauban, close to Toulouse, as they tried to withdraw money from a cash machine close to the barracks of the 17th parachute regiment.
A third soldier was killed the previous weekend in Toulouse. Investigators had already confirmed on Friday that the same weapon had been used in both incidents.
(Reporting by Guillaume Serries in Toulouse, Thierry Leveque and Nicolas Bertin in Paris, Jeffrey Heller and Maayan Lubel in Jerusalem; writing by Daniel Flynn and Leigh Thomas; editing by Geert De Clercq/Patrick Graham)
I have no words of any “real” importance; except to say, they all will be in my prayers tonight.
correction…”i am just an OLD student here…” lol
Mickey, heck no…no profanity. IF one has to resort to that — you’ve already lost.
With what little I have to offer — I am just a student here; and appreciate the patience more than I can say.
That is…unless I am talking about Obama…then I do tend to lose it.
Mirian and Avi,
Thank you both for your wonderful, civilized and enlightening discourse.
I have learned a great deal from both of you.
You have shown that there is no need to resort to profanity or invective as so many commenters are prone to do.
Avi, we do NOT hear a word about the bombings in Israel. Obama has us cut off. We do hear about the “poor, poor, little Muslims; and we all see straight through that.
He is threatening to “take our internet away.”
I uploaded some comments about what people here were saying about Israel being bombed since it “was NOT” on our TV news channels. Israel has respected and great support from U.S. Citizens.
I will, more than likely, just read the posts closely…then ask questions.
I do appreciate you taking the time out to explain things to me.
By the way, I live in Texas. I was born and raised in Texas and have always been here with the exception of living off base in Oceanside, California when my husband was in the Marine Corp.
Avi, thank you so much for responding to me. I feel so ignorant of Israel but have feelings of pride, respect and Love for Israel, and yet, I have never been there.
I apologize for interjecting this video. It is scaring all of us in the U.S.
Obama is now taking over more as a Dictator.
He recently by-passed Congress, etc. to sign in Executive Martial Law in the U.S.!!!
He is taking over everything in the Country just like Stalin, Hitler, etc.
Please take time to watch it. We are very very afraid. The way things are going, we WILL NOT have an election:
Shalom! Mirian; What is with you and President Obama?? You sound Absurd and Paranoid!!……..give your Kopf a shake,have a cup of Tea or take a seditive, Your about to have a brake down,if you don’t learn to Relax,maybe you would rather have a Santorum or Romely,or Gingrich or Paul???….It may not be obvious,But!! I believe that Oboma,is very Supportive of Israel!! I’m sure that you will disagree,..no doubt!,…. But!… by your own admission, you are quite Ignorant!! Wishing you Well. Shalom! D.J.Brien, Vancouver,CVanada.
David J. Brien,
Have you been on Mars since Obama assumed office?
Thank you, I will think about what you said; and yes, it was very very valid.
Perhaps, I will just read and learn.
I am specifically interested in this site due to “a different view on issues in Israel” than the crap I read in other places.
My weakness? You, all of you, know soooo much more than I do in Israel, etc. In the States, we get such a watered down version; and I want to heart it “Straight!”
For example, (excuse me for saying “ya’ll”, I am from Texas.
I read what ya’ll say, and am shocked how little we know here in the States…so I take it back as “new” knowledge to let others know what is “really going on in the Middle East and Israel.”
I think I will just observe. Thank you VERY much for your response.
It is not you fault if you do not have enough information about the facts of life here in the Middle East. The Trajedy is that many of those who pretend to know present to others twisted picture of of reality, their own pre-judgement, and mis-judgement as an “absolute truth”, thus, distorting the facts.
Last night I went to live show in a Jewish Resturant, in Jafo strict of Tel-Aviv. The Narrator, whom I call here as S.P., simply talked about his life and his family and his precedents. He noted that he is the 20th genaration of Jewish residents in Isarel. if we count a generation as 20-25 years, that makes his residency in Israel as time span of 2,000-1,250 years. He talked about his enlarged familly wo have been living in Isarel which counts to 10s of thousands. Thes are Israeli Jews who have not come from outside, thus are not “Jewish Refugees”, or “Haulocast assylems”
Incidentally The beautiful siger at that resturant said that she and her brothers are decidents of Jewish residents of Israel for 7 generations.
It was funny that they gave the chance to some other guests. about 20 out of 60 have strong roots of Jewish residency of this holly land/
Statistically, one can dare to postulate that at least 20% of close to 6,000,000 Jews who live in Isarel are Isrealis for more that 500 years. this constitutes about 1,200,000 Jewish original Israelis who have been in this Jewish homeland before any Arab “Palestinian” ever was born. Neither in in Israel nor anyelse!
But what can you do with misinformation? Out of those 1,000,000 residents of south part of Israel who have been under Cluster Bombs and Cluster Rocket poured by Hamas who governs over “Palestinian” Gaza, statistically, there are an estimated of about 200,000 Isreli Original residents of “Palestine”/
Have ever heard, any body who has come forward to defend their legal rights? Has Mr John, Yess the dearest moralist of all, condemned the shootings of “Pallestinain” Rockets, endangering, scaring, injuring, and traumatizig these innocent original residents, their elderly? their women? their innocent chkidren? their newborn infants? NO and whay do you ask? “because the should think from whome the have stollen their homes!” Can you beleife such a discrimination between blood and blood, by nobaody else rather thate the “polite Moralist” whos main aim is to dehumanize the Jewish nation, no matter how many of them are innocent?
So I woul welcome you not only to sit back and listen and learn the information. But please feel free to ask questions, put everything you read under objective criticism and demand proof, from all parties. Feel at home, but be relevant to the main Issue: How can we defend the concistance and validity of data from unwanted noises and polution.
God Bless you and all of your freinds in Texas and in USA/
Mirian, if you truly want your thoughts to be taken into account, you may want to consider posting comments that are relevant to the discussion you are posting your thoughts to. This discussion had nothing to do with what you posted. Your latest comment makes you sound whiny and immature and I presume that was not your inention. It’s not a matter of finding “a better place”, Mirian or “having someone’s thoughts taken into account”. It’s a matter of staying on track with the thread. Pretty straightforward.
Ya know, Gabi, you are absolutely right. I should go to a better place where someone’s thoughts are taken into account.
To John Bradford HR 15.3.12 Jews under Custer Rockets
You haven written:
“…the English go back to North Germany, the Scotti go back to Ireland, and all Europeans leave North…”
“I’d spend my time wondering whose home and property I was living in”
8) Should we be polite and based on facts? You have demanded from others to be polite to you and base arguments of facts and morality, haven’t you? But then, where do YOU, Mr. Bradford put yourself? If you do not bother to search for truth and facts, continue to pour on others (Jews) your pre-judgments, constantly, and rootlessly and ruthlessly, and rudely, and time after time blame them to “have stolen”, then do not blame others who may think you are rude and blunt, and react to you at the same token
9) Who really, do you think you are? How dare you blame The Only Law-full Owners of this land, the Jews so brutally and one-sidedly?
10) Who gives you the right to be so, so, rude and think-less to accuse millions of Jewish civilians, under daily Cluster Bombs and Cluster Rockets, again and again, and justify that as if they should be punish for coming back to their own homes? That, while ignoring the data that others so politely have offered to you, to educate you and your clans, and still you continue to say such terrible things about Jews? Who is your God? Your Inquisitors, Your Church? Your dear Friends who daily slaughter your brothers and sisters in Europe, America, Middle –East, India, Africa etc.? Or your older leaders of 1930′s? You owe apology, to Jewish people and to all humanists of the world, and the sooner the better.
Dear Avi and everyone else,
Please forgive John who has been helplessly brainwashed. Worse, he is passionate about his “truth”! What can you do? Send him a copy of “From Time Immemorial” to let him read a about somewhat not dissimilar from himself, who had bought into the tremendous and pervasive “Palestinian” propaganda and, upon researching the history found out that the truth, found in the texts and documents of Arabs themselves, proved that her former very shallow beliefs were incorrect: a product of deliberate Arab misinformation. The author, who had been a staunch and self-righteous defender of the poor “Palestinians” realized she had been thoroughly bamboozled and wrote her book to help others who had also been suckered into the lie that is “Palestine” wake up and see reality.
7) And how do YOU prefer to describe them? Your description of the Jews of Israel as if ALL being outsiders, is based on nullity! You as a “polite knowledgeable, moralist” could and should, at least, inquire about the facts of life before you shout out your anti-Jewish claims and slogans. Since some Jews have come to Israel as “Jewish Refugees”, you wrongly conclude that all Jewish Residents of Israel are refugees. This is contrary to the facts of life. As said before, Jews of Israel have constantly been there and have been majority, and demanded and fought for their legal rights, under the siege of invadors
a. Greeks (2,400 years back),
b. Pagan Romans (2,100 -1,700 years back),
c. Christian Romans (1,700-1,400 years back),
d. Persians (1,400-1,200 years back)
During all these centuries, your fellow Arabs live in Saudi and ignorant paganic Tribes (Al-Wuhush, meaning wild, as are described in the holy books of Islam), who are accused by their own prophet, to be burying their own daughters alive, and raging on each others and stealing from each other humans, property, and land. Since then they have raged and “stolen” (to use your terminology, tens of countries from other nations, annihilating their people and converting to “Arab-land” (Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Sudan, etc. etc. (Some things do not change ha, Mr. John?).
And then Jews of Israel fought the new invaders:
e. Arabs who wanted and still plan to concur any piece of land over the world (1,300- 900 years back)
f. Persians again (for a short time),
g. Afghanis (for a short time),
h. Turks (until British Mandate), and finally against
i. ruthless offenders (much befor your favorite date of 1940′s until now), like Britain’s, “Fadain” or “Palestinians” (as you label them), Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese (Hezbollah) and nowadays Gaza (Terror organizations: Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. etc.)
The older enemies have been overturned, and so will do the new ones. Dear John, you should cope with these realities!
5) What a comparison is there to bear between all those nations you have taken the pain to mention, and the Jewish refugees? As you know, Jews, have been forced to immigrate to all countries all over the world. But the never have given up their homeland Israel. Jewish existence and persistence has continues everywhere, INCLUDING THEIR OWN LAND ISRAEL. Please do not tell me that you, a knowledgeable man, fail to know that, or see the differences.
6) Who are the Jewish residents of Israel? In Other countries Jews have been living as minorities, as refugees, in their communities, with (limited) autonomy practicing their own Laws of Torah (which happens to be your old testimony, and the origin of your friend hollybooks), and dreaming and acting for the survival of their own Homeland, Israel, and their Jewish brothers who have tide their lives to that promised land. The Jewish community in their homeland Israel, almost always (3,400 years) constantly has constituted the MAJORITY of residents in Israel.
You may need indeed to ask yourself at least the following:
1) In whose land do you really live now, Mr. John? You have stolen, as you admit other’s land. Your original land has been stolen from you, as you argue, by other thief like you. So you are even.
2) You say your original land has also been stolen from you. What would you do as a moralist, under the daily attack of Rockets? Possibly shot by those who have stolen your land? Or those who are now doing their best to still it from you? Jews of Israel are now under such attack of thief.
3) You point is that what has happened is a fact. The transitions can not and should not be reversed. If these transitions of your life are irreversible, why do you demand that for Arabs it would forcefully be reversible? You declare that you are NOT and ARAB. You don’t happen to be pro-Arab, are you? Or possibly anti-Semite? As a moralist you should have been sensitive to Jewish and Israeli right at the same token? But you are from that. You are a unique kind of Moralist, dear John
4) You do know and repeat and admit that, it is impossible for those nations of the world to go back. Why is it that you suddenly demand that a non-nation which artificially is labeled as “Palestinians”, who have stolen the Jewish land only recently, should be let to legitimize their theft, and let to rob from the real landlords, the lawful owners, the Jews, their homes, property, land, and homeland, and liberty?
Breaking news: Biden Just Moved to Impeach Obama:
And what does that have to do with the current discussion, Mirian? Perhaps consider expressing your news reactions somewhere relevant.
BTW, I’m the one who started this thread with a question.
Wow, lots of answers to my post, but not a single one that answers my question, which was why HONESTREPORTING fails to publicly scrutinize CNN. I don’t need everyone’s opinions on what’s happening in Israel or why, I asked why CNN continuously escapes HONEST REPORTING’s scrutiny, and I did mention NPR- they also evade HONEST REPORTING’s radar. So an ANSWER from HONEST REPORTING would be nice and a change in their behavior would be even better. It is sickening how many people listen to and read their blatantly biased reporting and think they are getting news! WELL, HR? It’d be nice to hear from YOU!
I want my email back, please I’ll never say the truth that you are the biggest terroristic society in the history again, so please return my email or activate it again.
Dose that exclude-
Carnage in New York, Washington, London, Istanbul, Bali, Beslan, Buenos Aires, Jerba, Jakarta, Jerusalem, Madrid, Mombassa, Moscow, Mumbai,
Yemen, Dafur, Nigeria, Kashmir, Zhengzhou,
I am a veteran of two wars. Three years ago President Hussain Obama took away all veterans free health care. President Obama is a Communist who was trained by a Russian trained mentor. His wife’s thesis in college(Michelle) was: Hate white people. American people are not the same Americans I grew up with
Jules! Shut up if you can’t contribute anything even close to intelligent!
Obama may not be a friend of Israel…Citizens of the United States ARE.
Many of us receive online news from Israel to keep up with what is going on.
From what I read two days ago, the U.S. is now 37th on the list of not having freedom.
I , here in the U.S., DID hear about what happened in Israel. We made it viral what happened. I have 26 people on my email list as well as 6 Tea Party Leaders….Each person I have on my email list “ALSO” have 25 to 40 people.
We made sure that everyone knows what happens in Israel. YOU have friends in the U.S. that you will never meet who support you in our thoughts, prayers as well as defend you against toxic remarks.
God Bless Israel..
Why is it that CNN is never scrutinized by Honest Reporting? Each and every time there are barrages of rocket attacks from Gaza, there are no articles, much less headlines, about the rockets coming in. The CNN news starts reporting with Israel’s first reaction–and writes its headlines as if Israel is murdering Palestinian innocent civilians purposely and without cause. It is all in what CNN leaves out that gives the hundreds of thousand readers the impression that Israel is attacking the “poor palestinians” for no reason. I have not seen a single article EVER about the rocket attack bombardments from Gaza into Israel. They are just as biased as NPR, if not more! Yet I never hear anything from Honest Reporting about CNN OR NPR!!!
That’s just NOT right!!!
I daily go onto the CNN site-
There has been a torrent of discussion (Correction) verbal , childish rants regarding this- Whilst there is a mention within the CNN story that rockets were fired from Gaza- the main headline is always “…Palestinians died in Israeli attack…”
Please remember CNN has a strong connection to the BBC-
The pulic broadcasting authority that refuses to publish the Malcom Balen report!
Yes, correct, Palestinians have been dying in their thousands since Jews/Israelis started attacking them, murdering them, and stealing their land and property in the late 1940s.
Did the CNN report happen to say that these people are refugees? Refugees from where? Refugees usually want to return to their homes, Palestinians are no different.
Thank goodness someone continues to report it.
Mr Bradford- or are you from Bradford which would say a lot-
The refugees you shout about were created by Jordan and Egypt- after the end of the 48/50 war they “Shoved” them into refugee camps- instead of integrating them into their “Brotherly” communities.They were the ones that the 6 waring Arab states TOLD them to leave and they would have all the land after the Jews were driven into the sea- (War archives have the flyers sent to these people saying just that).
The ones that ignored them still live in Israel and have multiplied to 1.5 million.
The Jews did not steal anything in the 40`s- They purchased land that only 5 Arab land owners had deeds to- Read one of your own-Waleed Shoebatt -anex “Palestinian” self confessed terrorist whos father was one of those 5.
However I am probably talking to a brick wall- as either you will not even be reading this-(Gay kop en Vant) or you will refuse to believe it! What ever.!
Now let me check that I’ve understood you correctly.
We agree that there are Palestinian refugees, but you say they were created by Jordan and Eqypt, not by Jews/Israel, by shoving them into refugee camps.
So what exactly happened, I can’t imagine the process. There were many Palestinians living in the land that is currently called Israel, who became refugees. Did Jordan and Egypt pull them out of their homes and transfer them to refugee camps around the region? Why on earth would they have done that?
The Jews did not steal anything? They ‘bought’ the whole of Israel from five people? Their descendants must be very wealthy.
My great great great great grandfather was from Plymouth, which is about 40 miles from Bradford in Devon, but as far as I’m aware, he, and therefore I, didn’t come from there. But if I did, how would it ‘say a lot’?
Sarcasm being the lowest form of wit- You get 1st prize-
I will pu it in schoolboy language- for your benefit-
1947- UN resolution 181- Partition of the mandated land Palestine.
1948- The Hebrews had a land and the Arabs went to war-
1950- The war was over-
The Muslims that stayed in Israel- kept their homes- and have since multiplied to 1.5 million-
Those that ran away by command of the Arab states- got caught up in Egyptian ruled Gaza and Samaria Judea (The West Bank) Thats where they were forced to live in refugee camps.
And yes (See the works of Waleed Shoebat for reference to the 5 Arab families owning land in the Mandated area and the selling thereof) He was a self confessed “Palestinian” terrorist- whos father was one of the family heads who sold such land.
Most of the other refugees originated from Egypt, Iraq and Syria, Arafat was an Egyptian as an example- But his uncle and hero was the Mufti of Jerusalem a great friend of Adolf Hitler.. The bulk of the Mandated land was baron-
The Sabra (Hebrews) also resided in the area and had done for millenia.
trusting you have been able to absorb this information.
What about the Jewish refugees ?
Following the 1947 United Nations vote to partition Palestine, Arab violence against Jews erupted throughout the Middle East and North Africa where more than 870,000 Jews were living (1945 estimate).
Many of the Jews resided in communities with a continuous Jewish existence for 2,500 years or more.
Israel absorbed the Jews who fled Arab countries and millions of refugees from Nazi and Soviet Europe in the same time. After brief periods of adjustment, the Jews fleeing life-threatening conditions in other lands became indistinguishable from other Israelis. Today tiny Israel, with relatively few resources, has no “refugee problem” while the wealthy Arab countries, with vast lands and oil riches, cannot find a way to help the Palestinian Arabs
To John Bradford HR 12.3.12
“Did the CNN report happen to say that these people are refugees? Refugees from where? Refugees usually want to return to their homes, Palestinians are no different.”
Indeed they should better go back to their original homelands: Iran (Ajamis), Egypt (Al-Mesri), to Yeman (al-Yemani), to Moroco (Marakeshi),etc. etc. These so called “Palestinians” are mostly decedents of Arab and Moslem refugees who had fled from many countries and stolen the land of Israel from the Jews who are the only lawful owners of this land (Please go back to our past discussion, and do your homework again, in case you have already forgotten that).
No war is clean. No war can be one sided. When you attack and kill, do not be surprised to be attacked back and killed!
No refugee is justified. One act of refugee should not justify another act of refugee. The following passage is not aimed to tell you that earlier sufferings justify later ones. The following list is brought as a measure or criteria against pre-judice.
Persians have a saying that you might love (or hate?). They say: “if one should arrest a drunk, all drunks should be arrested”.
Are you ready?
It is interesting that your memory cut-off point of this regions history is 1940. If you could stretch back only a little, say even one year earlier, 1939 when thousands of Jewish residents of Israel were attacked, raped, slaughtered, fired at, or beheaded by these “pure poor Palestinians”, your dearest friend I suppose, you judgment might have been different (or NOT?). Go back there, and enrich your knowledge by reading about what these “Arab refugees” of yours did in Hebron, in Galil, in Beer-Sheva, and Jerusalem.
During 1800s, under Othman Mandate over Israel, thousands of Jewish residents of Israel where raped, disabled, forced out as refugees, or forced to change their religion.
During past 1,000 years Millions of minorities (Christians, Jewish, Zoroasteris, and even Sunni Moslems, were slaughtered by Iranian Shiites. Simmilar tragedies occurred to Kurds, Azeries, Armenians, etc. in this part of earth…
Where were you then? Where are you now? Where would you be when you soul would stand before your creator, and ask about your humanity?
Of course, we should accept your agony about “Arab Refugees” only, you are devoted to. Your humanistic care stops at the Jewish step-doors.
Actually, your weep about “refugees” is limited only to “Israeli Arabs”.
Your moralistic stand, stops not only when you see Jewish refugees, but also other minorities of the Middle East. According to your sacred UN reports, since 1900, yearly about 1-4 million people (most of them minority residents at their homelands) have been expelled, by Arab/Moslem countries (Persians/Ajamis from Iraq, Kurds from Iraq/Turkey/Iran, Berbers from Morocco/Tunisia, Kopties from Egypt, Christians from Lebanon/Syria/Egypt/Sudan, Armenians from Turkey, etc. etc.).
But are they humans for you to care about? Millions of minorities have been raped, injured, and killed by Arab/Moslem fundamentalists. But why should we expect from you to consider them as human-beings?
You, dear John, have your own definition of HUMAN, HUMANITY, HUMAN RIGHTS, and MORALITY. Incidentally, it almost coincides with the way these concepts are defined and understood in some outstanding regimes in past and present. But, we cannot blame you for their selections.
YOUR selection is no different from that carried out in 1930′s, first by your beloved “Palestinians” and then, by others in Europe!
Your choices of viewpoint, of dates, of subjects, of races, of religions, of colors, of tribes, of places, of facts, and of care, are all selective.
So are your Ignoring(s)!
You seem to be a very acute and experienced selector…
Ah yes, go back to their original homeland. So the Canaanites go back to Canaan, the English go back to North Germany, the Scotti go back to Ireland, and all Europeans leave North, Central and South America. The Australians and New Zealanders go back to wherever they came from. Likewise the Mongol hordes. I suppose on the basis of your argument, we all go back to Africa, and leave the rest of the world to the Neanderthals.
“When you attack and kill, do not be surprised to be attacked back and killed”. Quite. So Israelis should not be surprised that Palestinians attack back, after Jews/Israelis attacked them in the late 1940s, thus creating the refugees who are attacking back.
“No war is clean.” True, but Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, the provisions of which it ignores.
I don’t understand why, but there is no “reply” link on Jean Vercors’ post of Mar 13, 2012. He said…..
“What about the Jewish refugees ?
Following the 1947 United Nations vote to partition Palestine, Arab violence against Jews erupted throughout the Middle East and North Africa where more than 870,000 Jews were living (1945 estimate).
That, if I may say so, is a reasonable, polite and helpful post. There’s no exaggeration, there are no insults. Why aren’t all posts like that?
I think that’s all true, except that Israel does not have “few resources”. It has the backing of the USA, which pumps massive resources into Israel.
Yes, Israel did indeed absorb many refugees, but that was the whole point of the creation of Israel – to do just that – so it would have been very odd if that hadn’t happened.
I agree it’s odd that other Arab countries don’t help the Palestinians more, but I’m not an Arab, and I don’t understand the culture or background. Perhaps to outsiders, Europeans appear to be very similar to each other, but in fact, we’re not, so perhaps it’s the same in Arab countries, and perhaps they don’t care particularly about Palestine. There have been plenty of occasions when one European country has not helped another in the past.
I also agree that Arab violence erupted against Jews after partition, Jews who had nothing to do with Israel, and were entirely innocent. But given the backdrop of Palestinians being robbed of their land and property at gunpoint and becoming refugees, I think it’s understandable that there was a backlash against Jews wherever they were in Arab countries. Understandable, but wrong, I agree. Easy to say with hindsight. All Germans were interned in Britain at the start of WW2, as were many Japanese in America after Pearl Harbor.
But all this misses the point. Which is that large numbers of Palestinians have been dispossessed, and are entitled to redress. Israel is on probation. It is required to implement various UN resolutions, which it refuses to do. It seems happy enough to be a member of the UN, but doesn’t want to accept the responsibilities of membership. It is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, but ignores it. All that has to change.
On a slightly different note, are we getting to the point where a one-state solution is beginning to make sense? If you haven’t already, you should read Ali Abunimah’s book.
But there are no Canaanites- There are no known Engles- etc- But there are , is and always has been the Hebrew- The Sabra is proof of that.
There is now new DNA evidence for common Jewish origin—not just among Cohanim, the Priestly Class, but among Jews scattered all over the globe.
Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics—the study of DNA sequences—indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.
Jewish men from communities which developed in the Near East—Iran, Iraq, Kurdistan, Yemen—and European Jews have very similar, almost identical genetic profiles.
“Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.”
(M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat’l Academy of Science, May 9, 2000)
The basis of this new field of population research is the study of the Y-chromosome, which is passed virtually unchanged from father to son. The rare mutations—which are changes in the non-coding portion of its DNA—can serve as markers, which can distinguish peoples. By studying the genetic signatures of various groups, comparisons can be made to determine the genetic relationships between the groups.
Y-chromosome research of the Jewish people began as an outgrowth of the study of Cohanim—the Jewish priestly family (Cohen.) These studies showed a very high genetic affinity among present-day Cohanim, indicating that they do have a common paternal ancestor, estimated to have lived some 3,000 years ago. (See The Cohen DNA Connection)
MOST RECENT RESEARCH
The most recent genetic research consists of obtaining DNA samples, and doing laboratory analysis and comparison of the DNA markers on the Y-chromosome—which is passed from father to son, and on the mtDNA (mitrocondrial DNA)—which is passed intact from mother to son and daughter. This genetic anthropology promises to be particularly informative for tracking the history of Jewish populations, and helping to resolve the debate on the origins and migrations of Jewish communities in the Diaspora.
The researchers proposed to answer the question whether the scattered groups of modern Jews can be identified as the descendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible, or whether their common ancestry has been diluted through influx of converts and through intermarriage so that little remains of their “Jewish genes.”
The complex recorded history of dispersal from the Land of Israel and subsequent residence in and movements between various countries in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East is expected to produce a complex pattern of genetic relationships among Jewish populations as well as between them and the non-Jewish peoples among whom they lived.
The research was based on samples from 29 populations, 7 Jewish, categorized into five major divisions: Jews, Middle-Eastern non-Jews, Europeans, North Africans, and sub-Saharan Africans.
The findings were that most Jewish communities—long separated from one another in Europe, North Africa, the Near East and the Arabian Peninsula—do indeed seem to be genetically similar and closely related to one another, sharing a common geographical origin.
These Jewish communities are more closely related to each other and to other Middle Eastern Semitic populations—Palestinians, Syrians, and Druze—than to their neighboring non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora.
The results also indicate a low level of admixture (intermarriage, conversion, rape, etc.) into the gene pool of these various Jewish communities.
Among the Jewish communities sampled, North Africans (Moroccans, etc.) were most closely related to Babylonian (Iraqi) Jews. These populations may best represent the paternal gene pool of the ancient Jewish/Hebrew population dating back to the First Temple period, before the Babylonian exile (approx. 2,500 years ago).
The Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Jewish and Semitic populations. In contrast, the paternal gene pool of Ethiopian Jews more closely resembles that of non-Jewish Ethiopian men.
Although the Ashkenazi (European) Jewish community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups originating in the Middle East.
A low rate of intermarriage between Diaspora Jews and local gentiles was the key reason for this continuity. Since the Jews first settled in Europe more than 50 generations ago, the intermarriage rate was estimated to be only about 0.5% in each generation.
The Ashkenazi paternal gene pool does not appear to be similar to that of present-day Turkish speakers. This finding opposes the suggestion that Ashkenazim are descended from the Kuzars, a Turkish-Asian empire that converted to Judaism en masse in or about the 8th century CE.
The researchers are continuing and expanding their studies particularly of the Ashkenazi community. They are hoping that by examining the DNA markers in Jewish populations from different parts of Europe, they will be able to infer the major historical and demographic patterns in Ashkenazi populations.
In addition to questions of medical interest, there are many interesting possibilities concerning the origin of Ashkenazi populations and how they migrated in Europe. It seems likely that Jews began to arrive in Europe perhaps 1,000 to 1,200 years ago, when settlement was already sufficiently developed to provide them with opportunities to make a living.
One theory claims that the Jews of Eastern Europe derive predominantly from Jewish migrants from the Rhineland or from Italy, being fairly direct descendants of the original ancient Jewish/Hebrew populations.
A second theory suggests a northerly migration from the Balkans or from Central Asia, with the possibility of large-scale conversions of Slavs and/or Kuzars to Judaism.
This argument parallels the controversy over the origin and development of Yiddish—the language of Eastern European Jews. One theory proposes that Jews, migrating from the Rhineland and neighboring regions spoke an old form of German which provided the basis of Yiddish.
Other scholars reject the German origin of Yiddish. These linguists see Yiddish grammar as fundamentally Slavonic, with modern Yiddish developed by incorporating large numbers of German and Hebrew words into the context of a basically Slavic grammar and syntax.
There has not been enough historical evidence to decide between such theories. Now, with the newly developed genetic methods, it is possible to test these ideas, for example to see if there was a significant Slavic contribution to modern Ashkenazic Jewry.
The researchers plan to continue their research by investigating genetic variation in populations that can trace their Jewish ancestry to localized communities of Europe, in order to better understand the history and development of Ashkenazic Jewry.
These genetic research findings support Jewish tradition—both written and oral.
After over 1,000 years of history in the Land of Israel, Jews dispersed to many and distant locations throughout the world. Some Jewish exile communities were relatively stable for two millennia—such as in Babylonia (Iraq) and Persia (Iran). Others developed centuries later, following successive migrations to North Africa and Europe.
All of these communities maintained their Jewish customs and religious observance despite prolonged periods of persecution. Jews remained generally culturally isolated from their host communities. These genetic studies are a testimony to Jewish family faithfulness.
Only the Jewish people in the history of mankind has retained its genetic identity for over 100 generations, while being spread throughout the world—truly unique and inspiring.
Perhaps, even more unique and inspiring, is that this most unlikely scenario was a prophecy and a promise.
To John Bradford, HR 13/3/12 Cluster-Rockets
Dropping Cluster-Rockets, on the head of neighbors (Israel) by offenders (from Gaza)? Is that a moralistic action? You must be very fortunate and happy to be far from the south part of Israel. You must be doubly satisfied that it is rare, otherwise you would find yourself in a very awkward position to be forced to criticize the offenders…
For your knowledge, in past 4-5 days, Gaza has fired hundreds of rockets in clusters of 2-10 at a time, towards 1,000,000 residents of south Israel.
Some of these rockets, include clusters of still balls and nails that may cause huge numbers of multiple injuries…
These warheads are at least as dangerous as “cluster-bombs” you so just fully and harshly have been criticizing. According to the same laws of justice and morality, these rocket war-heads are illegal, inhuman, and forbidden.
But since these have been manufactured by Islamic Republic of Iran, sent by them to Jihadists, and aimed and shot by “Palestinian Refugees”, over the head of “Jews”, residents of Israel, then, all moral laws, and humanistic protests, should be forgotten and forbidden!
Thus I believe, you would rationalize by arguing: “CNN, BBC, and other international channels, are forbidden to mention that, are forbidden to report facts of life and are obliged to mention the Arab Narrative only, and that … because “Palestinians” have been killed in 1940s, their lands have been stolen, and they have been pushed out as refugees!”
And I am sure that nobody, possibly except me, would be surprised, if you do or do not argue like that.
“happy to be far from the south part of Israel”. Yes, otherwise I imagine I’d spend my time wondering whose home and property I was living in that had been stolen from some hapless Palestinian who was now a refugee in Gaza.
And even worse, Steve Mann– two days ago an NPR report said, “…in the conflict which started when Israel attacked and killed…” you know the rest. It’s ridiculous. Still no answer from Honest Reporting why they consistently have absolutely no criticisms or responses to NPR (or CNN)!
To Gabi HR 12.03.2012 CNN bias
“Each and every time there are barrages of rocket attacks from Gaza, there are no articles, much less headlines, about the rockets coming in. The CNN news starts reporting with Israel’s first reaction–and writes its headlines as if Israel is…”
I have no direct answer for you, but can guess (and am ready to appologize if I am proved to be wrong. May be some new-moralists can carry out some independent, unbiased, and objective research on the following issues, to enlighten us all. Some of them appear to be active in this forum):
Europe, as a whole, has been self-interest-oriented for so long, that it has become a second nature to them. The calculation is rather simple:
• Arabs, count for more than 300,000,000, Moslems count for more than 1,250,000,000, and growing fast.
CNN’s rating is based on these figures and, their proxies (Old Nazis, New left, good old “moralists”, and supporters of one-sided paper-cut peace).
Whereas, Israelis are only a small fraction of these figures. And the Jewish population, has stopped growing during past 6 decades (constant ~= about only 12 million).
The vast Market is there, not in Israel and Jews of the world! Israel is tiny, and they are LARGE!!!
Large numbers of people and communities, can change the essence of philosophy, strategy, narrative, dignity, objectivity, morality, and of course, the meaning of “truth”… Sad! Isn’t it?
• Arabs and Moslems cover about 1/3 of the Earth Surface. They are expanding fast into India, China, Africa, and of course into EUROPE. Where-ever there appears to be a large Moslem Community, sooner or Later that place will be owned by them (as their universal-prophet-promised “homeland”).
See what happens in Norway, Denmark, Belgium, parts of France, parts of England, and even some districts of USA, and of course in Israel.
They have a strong sense of “Moslem Brotherhood”. Thus, any criticism of “Palestinian” aggression, is immediately considered as offence against all Moslems, including European ones.
As a reporter and broadcasting station, you do not want to be sued, to European and International courts, do you?
Size, should and does count, according to European New Age! Their land is vast and rich and constitute for 100 nations at least.
Whereas, the land of Israel is less than 0.001 of that, and constitutes one nation only (the tiny Jewish nation).
You see the proportions, and ask yourself “my Gosh! Why shouldn’t CNN and others, be overwhelmed? Just to be OBJECTIVE? It does not seem to be so important anymore, is it? Really? … Sad! Isn’t it?)
• Arab and Moslem wealth (Mostly black oil $$ and sometimes ransom) has grown so much during past 50 years, that it is ruling over the heads of all nations of the world. They can afford to, and do buy many thing, some of them Reports and Reporters, Stations and their Editors, History departments and Historians, … (one may be seduced to copy and say “Protocols of Arab-Moslem Elderly”, but we do not do such things).
Europe is becoming, more and more, dependent on them, and is paying more and more petro-$$s to Arab and Moslem oil rich countries.
Now, imagine what would they be demanded to pay as penalty, if their Telecommunications (CNN, BBC, etc.) would dare to be Objective and draw just judgments, based on reality and pure facts!
They are scared to death from revenge!
• During past 50 years hundreds of reporters of the world have been kidnuped, injured, killed, slaughtered, and gone for ever (see death toll of reporters in Syria alone). As far as we know, a large group of them have been shot, beheaded and torched, by Terrorists affiliated with fanatic Arab-Moslem organizations and countries (Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Al-Qaida, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc.).
Open, Objective, and equalized report, is forbidden by some laws of Sharyia, based on the Islamic fundamental belief that, non-Moslems are not eligible to have rights equal to Moslems (non-Moslem Testimony is not accepted by Moslem Courts). Islamic narrative is chosen to be the ONLY Legitimate Narrative.
You, dear Gabi, do NOT really demand from the CNN reporters to put their life on line, for such esoteric, illusive, and fantastic concepts, such as “objective-reporting”?
Especially, if they dare to defend “Israel” and “Jewish” narrative, who in this part of the world, has been chosen to be considered as the “biggest small devil”!
Thank you for your passionate response. I hope the people who need to hear your message read it! in the meantime, my post was meant to stir a response from Honest Reporting, a group I’ve been following and supporting in every way possible for many years. I am disappointed that no one, apparently, at Honest Reporting anyway, is reading their own article comments. A shame. I’d volunteer to do it for them, free of charge, if only they were truly paying attention.
Israel,por todos los medios a puesto en claro la amenaza que representa Irán para para su seguridad nacional,el pueblo Judío vive bajo amenaza 24 hrs. Diplomáticos viajan arriba y abajo,las cámaras de televisión maratonicamente corren tras Chavez y compañía,la ONU con medidas leves para pacificar los ánimos del orbe ¿creen que somos ciegos?en ninguna manera.Toda reacción de Israel es cuestionada de inmediato,a si es que la Kneset tendrá que ajustar el cinturón y presionar de otra manera..Di-s es nuestro refugio…Ashem vuelve tu a actuar…..shalom
Ik ontvang nu een week dit spul en kom niet verder dan deze intro.
Dat schiet niet op, maar de mogelijkheid tot opzeggen zie ik hier ook niet.
Ik was benieuwd of deze site een aanvulling is op de vorige en dat blijkt niet zo te zijn.
Of u mij wilt schrappen van de lijst.
This is an open site and all comments are worth reading- If you do not want to subscribe any more -then do not! eventually no one will answer you!
Go in Peace.
To John Bradford HR march 05, 2012 civilized morality
Dear John. You have written:
“Dropping cluster bombs and phosphorus on your neighbors? I’m glad I don’t live next door to a civilized morality so perhaps it’s a good thing that it is exceedingly rare.”
I think you wrote that before what happened in the ME during what is called “the Arab Spring”. Nowadays you of course are busy writing a similar quote, like that:
I John, as purest representative of civilized morality declare: “Dropping tons of bombs over the heads of (Syrian) residents by their president (Assad)? I’m glad I don’t live next door to a civilized morality so perhaps it’s a good thing that it is exceedingly rare.”
I John, as purest representative of civilized morality declare: “Dropping Atomic bombs over the heads of (Jewish/Israeli) residents by their (Iranian/Moslem) neighbors? I’m glad I don’t live next door to a civilized morality so perhaps it’s a good thing that it is exceedingly rare.”
I John, as purest representative of civilized morality declare: “Dropping Strategic declaration (metaphoric bombs) over the heads of (Jewish/Israeli) residents to wipe out them off the map and evaporate them off existence (= final solution of the “problem”) of a UN member, by their (Iranian/Moslem) neighbors? I’m glad I don’t live next door to a civilized morality so perhaps it’s a good thing that it is exceedingly rare.”
In my humble view these declarations suit you best as a moralist, but I understand that you, dear John, are shy (or possibly out of your “bad light”?)
P.S. If you think that these dangers are going to step towards your Country and your Nation, it is possibly more probable than you dare to think. Give it 15-20 years and we may see (unless you wake-up and do try to prevent them NOW). “Those who do not oppose evil, do evil against the honest”
would be nice if there were a link to Washington Post and other publications so that their distortions could be brought to their attention.
Could not find the hand for links when tried to get full story about Washington Post. Help.
I subscribe because you so a wonderful job, thanks!
What were the excuses when during WW2 I ran into so much antisemitism when I put my life on the line? The gentiles were just taken in with hating.
Leo, there is absolutely nothing wrong with your English.
Your writing is not only factual and interesting — you have a style of your own.
I think perhaps you would be a amazing in the literary field.
As fictional as your twisted truth comments!
“You make the points about phosphorus and cluster bombs- to put Israel in a bad light”
No, I make those points because they’re true. I agree they put Israel in a bad light.
Wilfully ignoring countless UN resolutions and flouting the Geneva Convention also put Israel in a bad light.
Allowing the Sabra and Shatila massacres to happen also puts Israel in a bad light.
Bombing the King David Hotel puts Israel’s predecessors in a bad light.
Need I go on?
You obviously do not , thoroughly read others posts-
I gave you the findings of the Red Cross and those of Colonel Richard Kemp-Which doubt on both your statements. Those you chose to ignore , for they fail your bias agenda.
Israel has not flouted one UN resolution with a clause 7 finding-
Sabre and Shatilla were not carried out by Israeli troops- as you well know, or should know if you have done your homework. Any way those attacks were in revenge carried out by the Christian Lebanese for the atrocities carried out against them by Arafat and his hordes.
Unlike the Islamist terrorist- the Irgun gave the GB authorities ample warning of their intention that they were going to bomb the MILITARY WING of the KD hotel.
Meanwhile the Jihadi suicide bomber targets civilians without notice.
So yes! you need go on for your rants deviate from the whole truth.
To Jon Bradford HR 4 march 12
“No, I make those points because they’re true. I agree they put Israel in a bad light.”
Dear John, I love your sense humor!
I really missed your show, during those days you were absent. You are fabulous. I ask myself if you do that thought-fully? Or is it your natural personality?!
Your extravagant selective altruism and analysis can be a very interesting subject of research.
A) Your dear human-right hero, Asad (Bashir) slaughters his own people (about 8,000 death so far), I believe, of your dear cherished Syrian Moslem Arabs. They wanted a tiny bite of human right, and got a big one! Fanny, Ha?
And still you do not find it a good enough “truth” to bother to mention! In your view it is not bad enough, to shed a bad light on Syria (possibly because all of your bad lights are needed to be put on Israel alone)! Fanny isn’t it?
B) Your beloved old friends’ father Asad (Hafez) in his “humanitarian manner”, reportedly killed 10,000-40,000 men women and children of his own nation 1960′s.
At those days the starving people of Syria, asked for a piece of Pita Bread (you can find reports on the old media that has long been forgotten). What did they get? To be torn into pieces like a Pita Bread, by their president! How do you call that? Of course it has no significance to many types of people we meet in this corner, right dear John?. I told you, your show is excellent!
You see dear John? Something in the world do not change. Believe me! I do not point to you, personally, when I say that! There are some type of “Modern Humanistic Open Minded Human killings” that do not change. They only get new customs (and old customers).
There is a beautiful line of poetry in Persian literature which says:
“My father sold the Paradise for two grains of wheat! //
I would be unfaithful if I wouldn’t sell it for (only) one grain of barley!!”
Why does anybody expect that Asad the son, would be any different from Asad the father? Fanny, I told you!
And still, you do not find it a good enough “truth” to bother to mention! What a master of “truth telling” you are! Really!
In your view, as it comes out from you huge faith to “truth”, it is not bad enough, to shed a bad light on Syria (again possibly because your bad lights have been consumed by your passion to shed them on Israel alone)! What a show dear John! Fanny isn’t it? “Tradition! Tradition! Tradition!”
The green Arab Spring has long turned out to be brown, grey, black, and red. But your show must go on! Of course!
Do you want some more information? But remember dear John! Keep going your way.
None of the following, would count in your liberal eyes as “bad” truths to shed your “bad lights” upon them. Do not waste that “bad light”!
Save all of that “bad light” to restate the “bad truths” about Israel only! It is your show, dear John! Don’t stop please. Millions of “Liberals” of modern era, depend on you!
• Try the story of Egyptian mass murder of Yemenites at 1950′s (do you remember the “beloved human-rights modern Abdul-Natzer”?), together with The “Star of Modern Arab world” until recently, President Mobarak, with his share of the mass killing liberals like you and me, at Al-Tahrir Quarters, in Caro Egypt!
• Try the story of your dear human-rights Moslem-Arab hero in Iraq (Sadam Hussain), pouring tones of poisonous materials, against defenseless Kurds (all Moslems), and also later, against their (Moslem) neighbors the Persians, in 50′s and 60′s.
• Try the Armenians, mass-murdered by your dearest Flafila boat Heroes, the Turks then, and in past years against (Moslem) Kurds,
• Try the countless acts of aggression and assassination against News Media Reporters, all over the world, who dare to report “truths” about the Arab-Moslems leaders of Sudan, Libya, Al-Fath, Plo, Hamass, Islamic Jihad, World Jihad, Al Caida, etc., etc., etc.,… you name it
Now, not only your show is outstanding about “truth that sheds bad light”, but also your other show of analysis (logical ordering of the process) is fascinating. But, as of now?
You have succeeded to make all of us laugh for one day? one week? Or a moth? Or even for some years.
Have you ever considered yourself, as brilliant nomination for Oscar?
Nowadays many “truth loving” reporters, like yourself, are thirsty for shows you put on here, again, again, and again!
It seems that people like yourself never go away for long. They resurrect every-time anew! Just like “Tradition! Aggression! Tradition Aggression …” that has been going on In Europe and the Middle East, during centuries, as exemplified above.
To John Bradford HR March 4, 2012, 2nd response
“Wilfully ignoring countless UN resolutions and flouting the Geneva Convention also put Israel in a bad light.”
UN! Ha Dearest UN. Of course you should defend UN resolutions. If not you dear John, who else?
What about willfully ignoring UN resolutions that accept the right of ownership of Jews over their homeland Israel (Labeled by your dearest friends as “Palestine”)?
In this case wouldn’t you continue to shed “bad light” on Jews/Israel why are they so persistent to keep their existence?
Of course you would be “true” criticizer of any party that willfully ignore 1948 UN resolution, right? Even if it would Moslems, Arabs, Europeans, or even Jews! Right? Would please raise your voice saying “YESSSS” loud and clear? Unfortunately Nobody hears from you that this puts then in “bad light”. Not yet! Might be Never! But who knows? We Jews believe in miracles and continence (after-all we are said to have invented them).
Of course you, as purest, most honest human right watcher, are shocked every time, Iran, and her Proxies (Moslem leaders in England, Hizbulla, Hamas, Al Qaida, Syria, and even your dearest friend Mr. Mahmud Abbas of Israeli Arabs) deny the atrocities of Nazis in your beloved continent against MILLIONS of human beings (e.g. their own liberals, homo-lesbians, intellectuals, Gypsies, and some (only 6 Million) Jews!! Aren’t you dear John? Except that Your “true” interest lies somewhere else, at least at the Moment…
It goes by no saying, that you dear John, would shed a very “bad light” on those, who willfully deny the forge “truth”, and re-construct their history of other nations: For example, those Iranian Moslems that want us to believe that non of the ancient kings of Persia ever existed (Cyrus the Great, Daryuse the Magnificent, etc.), the whole Perso-Median Pre-Islamic kingdoms and cultures, never existed. UN resolution has acknowledged the Perse-Polis and several other Persian old sites, as Human Culture Ruminants. Since Persian Radical Moslems willing fully ignore these resolutions, then you could and would put them in “bad light”, but for the moment you are too busy with Israel’s “bad light”. Isn’t it temporary, dear John?
Incidentally, I agree in advance with you that if Arabs and Moslems willing fully, deny the historic existence of old Greek, Roman and Egyptian, Assyrian, Babelian, and Persian nations, even-though it does not seem to be “ignoring UN resolutions”, god-forbidden, that would be a major reason on your part to shed “very bad light” on them.
But, at the same time, even thought all these old nations, have left some evidence, which might prove, that they have had commercial, cultural, military, or god-forbidden peace accords with the old residents of Israel, then that would be a major crisis.
Because, that nation who has been living in old Israel have been Jew, then their historic existence should be ignored, justly, truth fully, and wholeheartedly. Because, otherwise, if there should be found any evidence that the Jews are the lawful owners of Israel, then your world would collapse. And we do not want that to happen, right Mr. John? That would contradict any modern sense of liberal “true” prejudices, fashioned, since the 1970′s when “Palestinian Nation” was invented for the first time in the human history.
Well excuse me for confusion. Your cultural and religious, fore fathers (the Romans) were first to forge “Palestine” label on Israel to still away the land of Israel from her Jewish owners. Of course as you have so nicely put it: “when somebody comes to still your land you should resort to whatever weapons you have to defend yourself and your land”/ Well this is exactly what Jews have been doing since those days. Except that due to the robbery of the name (Israel), and due to the forging label “Palestine”, then under the occupation of Romans, all the Jews living in that land became the ancient original “Palestinians”.
At those days (100 BC- 700 DC0 dear John, there were no Arabs around to be called “Palestinian Nation”. Even when The Khalif Omar militarily conquered Israel ( = Roman label “Palestine”) it was a Jewish homeland stolen by the Arab army! So you would agree then, with the Jews to have the right to use “any weapon they has to get rid of these land robbers!
Then came Bezants, then Persians, the Turks, and then Britain. So according to your own preference, it is heroic that Jews did explode KD to kick the British Land Robers OUT!. You should proud of that!
Then there came the new Land Robbers, the “Palestinian Arab Nation”. Well no matter whether it was in 70′s or 40′s or even a hundred year earlier, you would approve the actions taken by the Land Lords of Israel (the Jews)!
UN has prepared charters, to enable honest peaceful countries to use peacefully atomic energy for the benefit of humans, not for enabling irresponsible countries, to build atomic bombs, which enables them to destroy and wipe out from the maps other members of UN!
As a liberal hero, you are shocked by the recent threats of Iran, that ignores the UN resolutions, and try to deceive the world, and shout aloud that she wants to destroy a member of UN (incidentally, today, it is Israel. Who knows? May be she wants to destroy Britain next? A knowledgeable man like your self, indeed knows what atrocities Great Britain has been carrying out against the Persian People during Past 300 years.
You should listen carefully what the PERSIANS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS Great Britain!! Please be warned! You should be prepared to use “any weapon you could put your hands on to prevent Moslem Iran to steal your country from your nation. They have long announced that among other things, they own also the lands of Europe and England, but you are busy with your bad lights! Thei new missils are Pointed now towards you too).
I personally really truthfully believe that it is on your agenda, to put Iran in “bad-bad light”! Not only that, you have already advised your Government, to avoid dropping certain types of bombs on Iranian military forces, even if the shells upon London their tens of thousands of missiles, or their Atomic bombs! You are a unique pure soul dear John
It is the legitimate right of Israel to exist, to defend her land, to safeguard her people, and those who want to still the land of Israel should better know what you have said: “she is entitled to resort to any weapon she has to break the backbone of the offenders: Be it Great Britain at KD, or Al-Husseiny at Jerusalem’s Mufti, Abdul Nasser of Cairo, Hafez Assad the father of Damascus, Sadat of Egypt, Arafat at south Lebanon, Mussavi in Great Lebanon, Mashaal and Hania of Gaza, or Khamenei and Ahnadi-Najad of Tehran!
You must be proud of this Jewish/Israel resistance, even when you try your best to put them in “your bad light”
@ Author: steve mann:
Logical and to the point.
I can only repeat – what truth is that?
That’s not morality of any sort, that’s “I’m going to have my way and I don’t care what the cost is to others”. I can comprehend that attitude perfectly well, that’s why I oppose it.
So what is this truth that I can’t accept?
With odds of more than 100 to 1 Israel has done, is doing and will do whatever is necessary for the survival of its nation.
That, Mr Bradford, is true morality. Something you are unable to comprehend.
John Bradford is one of those individuals whose thinking processes have atrophied to the point that he cannot accept the truth if it differs one iota from what has been carved by hatred in his fossilized brain.
What truth is that?
Israel didn’t drop cluster bombs?
Now if the people of the book- as the Muslims say- all believe in the same God/Allah – Then possibly Allah in his Omnipotent way knows the land is Israel and “He” is damned annoyed with these Muslims who want to usurp it . So Allah has pronounced that every time the Hamas, Hizbollah attack Israel- they should respond . And as Col.?Richard Kemp, former commander of British troops in Afghanistan, declared in front of the United Nations Human Rights Council that Israel “did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.”?
Damn skippy, Israel is right what she is doing.
Leave Israel alone!!!
…from my post of “supporting Israel”??????
Because you love Israel and Israel is blessed by god, so presumably god and you love America selling cluster bombs to Israel and love Israel dropping them on Lebanon. It’s a funny old world!
John, dear John, I see you again.
Several things in order.
First: respect the Creator who made you. Your breath is in His Hands, and you live by Him. So, in this order, you know is not god, but God. GOD, the One who lives in Heavens, and who created John Bradford, your English country, this planet Earth, and the whole universe, visible and invisible.
If you don´t comprehend that, is, perhaps, because of your state of mind. Brits, unfortunately, have a powerful trend to play with fire, and when get burn, they blame others, but not watch over their own responsibility. Or, as happened frequently, try to hide the truth, in a very convenient way: an attitude that begun, perhaps, since Hastings. Remarkable in the last five centuries. Not in all things, of course (¿?), but in those that spread through the world, Britain has a very great responsibility.
I know it´s not necessary to remind you that Britain developed a huge number of modern weaponry used today. Perhaps, it´s not necessary to remind you that one of the greatest statesmen of all time recommended to gas some arabs villages almost a century ago. That man was sir Winston Churchill. And, by the way, one of the personalities of the arabian independency told the same thing: Thomas Edward Lawrence, aka, Lawrence of Arabia.
You know, from our conversations of last year (yes, my “rubish” arguments that you didn´t replied more), that Britain began to use massively phosphorus bombs in several conflicts. This is one of the facts that were hid by the Brits: their extensive use in WW II. Mr. Harris, was provided by huge artillery that he used in several raids. Perhaps this has already been investigated by the Brits experts in History, without scruples and hesitations, in order to create public opinion of the goods and wrongs in WW II. Was it?
Much of the weaponry developed by the Brits after WW II, was covertly used in the following conflicts throughout the world, in very sophisticated ways (a Brit distinctive, of course). Ask your government about it. If this is a matter of national concern, they should offer to you, as a British citizen, the necessary probes to affirm or deny any development of new weaponry, or any involvement in posterior conflicts made by Her Majesty services since WW II (not to say years before), in order to test this new weaponry. By the way, there are very interesting books written by some Brits, with detailed explanations of such operations.
If you consider that your nation is free from any sin to throw the first stone, I suggest you to be very careful. Very specially, in the case of Israel. As I told you the last year, in fact, Israel used phosphorus bombs, and other weapons that brought the nation under severe and harsh international condemnation. They, in their need of defense, used them, and if it was a mistake, this is an issue for another discussion. But, the fact is, that very possibly, England did exactly the same, and much more, without any need of defense from any threat (covertly, of course). This is a very big difference. But, I wonder if the British citizenship made the necessary assessments on their own government as they do with much fruition and pleasure on others, Israel in this case. Did you?
England has made so many devastations around the world, and to try still to cover them, it´s simply pathetic. Take any History book, and read it. The British Navy seized many lands, many peoples, to favor their national interests. The expansion of the British Empire was made by inflicting a huge amount of pain to many peoples around the world, at least, since the 1500s (not to mention the moment that Hastings changed the things to bring the new British mentality, or perhaps, illness). The climax of the British splendor was very well described by the following words said by Jevons in 1865:
« The plains of North America and Russia are our cornfields; Chicago and Odessa our granaries; Canada and the Baltic, our forests, wood suppliers, Australia contains our sheep farms, and in Argentina and in the prairies of North America are our herds of cattle, Peru sends her silver, and gold from South Africa flows into London, the Hindus and the Chinese grow tea for us and our coffee, sugar and spices are in the Indies, Spain and France are our vineyards, and the Mediterranean our fruit orchard, and our cotton fields, which have long been in the southern United States, are now spreading throughout the temperate regions of the earth »
Upon the shoulders, sweat, and blood of many peoples, England built their wealth. And when these words were said, the British Empire began to decline.
Also, the lack of strength of some statesmen brought even a war. The tragedy played by Neville Chamberlain to surrender to Hitler´s demands, defined the next decades for Europe. What far was this England in the threshold of WW II, from that described by Jevons.
If your are continuing judging Israel, it´s your own choice. As I told you the last year, nobody will forbid this “liberty” to you. But don´t forget that, from every single word told, we will all render responsibilities in the afterlife. These words were said by the Lord JesusChrist.
Again, perhaps, this will be hard to comprehend for you, because of your powerful national trend to mock or make jokes, or even ridiculize, many sacred things. Due to this, it´s not strange at all the path followed by Britain more that a century ago, breathing illness and decomposition in the most elementary aspects of human life. It´s not weird at all, but a natural consequence of the centurial and generational disobedience, trying stubbornly to substitute the normal by the abnormal since the British Enlightenment. Look now the results. They are very sad.
Be awared, and take this as an imploration: please, do not play with fire. If the fire begins, specially by the wrath of God, there´s nothing created or uncreated that will stop it. Absolutely impossible.
Don´t dare to defy God. What I tell to you, John Bradford, I´m telling it to your nation: Please, do not dare to defy God. Do not do that. Do not fall into judgment by silly (in fact, mad) words or actions. Take care about your words on Israel, avoid that insane fashion flaunted by The Guardian, BBC, et al. Desist from your steps. Perhaps, you will make a good think to yourselves.
PS: I apologize again for my English.
Your English is fine, it’s what you say that makes no sense.
I think you’re saying that since everyone else over the centuries has done terrible things – including Britain – then it’s OK for Israel to do the same. Presumably, then it’s also OK for the Palestinians to do the same.
The difference between Israel and the Palestinians of course is that the Jews/Israel started this war when they forced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians out of their homes at gunpoint in the late 1940s, so the Palestinians are perfectly entitled to fight back to try to recover the land and property that was stolen from them.
Let me state this plainly and clearly: The Jews in Israel took no one’s land.
When Mark Twain visited the Holy Land in the 19th century, he was greatly disappointed. He didn’t see any people. He referred to it as a vast wasteland. The land we now know as Israel was practically deserted.
By the beginning of the 20th century, that began to change. Jews from all over the world began to return to their ancestral homeland – the Promised Land Moses and Joshua had conquered millennia earlier, Christians and Jews believe, on the direct orders of God.
That’s not to say there wasn’t always a strong Jewish presence in the land – particularly in and around Jerusalem. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy city. The source for that statistic? A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes, that Karl Marx.
A travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker, illustrates the fact that, even when the Islamic Ottoman Empire ruled the region, the Muslim population in Jerusalem was minimal. The book estimates the total population of the city at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.
“The number of Jews has greatly risen in the last few decades, in spite of the fact that they are forbidden to immigrate or to possess landed property,” the book states.
Even though the Jews were persecuted, still they came to Jerusalem and represented the overwhelming majority of the population as early as 1906. And even though Muslims today claim Jerusalem as the third holiest site in Islam, when the city was under Islamic rule, they had little interest in it.
As the Jews came, drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, something interesting began to happen. Arabs followed. I don’t blame them. They had good reason to come. They came for jobs. They came for prosperity. They came for freedom. And they came in large numbers.
Winston Churchill observed in 1939: “So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population.”
Then came 1948 and the great partition. The United Nations proposed the creation of two states in the region – one Jewish, one Arab. The Jews accepted it gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and declared war.
Arab leaders urged Arabs to leave the area so they would not be caught in the crossfire. They could return to their homes, they were told, after Israel was crushed and the Jews destroyed. It didn’t work out that way. By most counts, several hundred thousand Arabs were displaced by this war – not by Israeli aggression, not by some Jewish real-estate grab, not by Israeli expansionism.
In fact, there are many historical records showing the Jews urged the Arabs to stay and live with them in peace. But, tragically, they chose to leave.
Fifty-four years later, the sons and daughters and grandsons and granddaughters of those refugees are all-too-often still living in refugee camps – not because of Israeli intransigence, but because they are misused as a political tool of the Arab powers.
Those poor unfortunates could be settled in a week by the rich Arab oil states that control 99.9 percent of the Middle East landmass, but they are kept as virtual prisoners, filled with misplaced hatred for Jews and armed as suicide martyrs by the Arab power brokers.
This is the modern real history of the Arab-Israeli conflict. At no time did the Jews uproot Arab families from their homes. When there were title deeds to be purchased, they bought them at inflated prices. When there were not, they worked the land so they could have a place to live without the persecution they faced throughout the world.
It’s a great big lie that the Israelis displaced anyone – one of a series of lies and myths that have the world on the verge of committing yet another great injustice to the Jews.
In just 50 years, almost a million Jews, whose communities stretch back up to 3,000 years, have been ‘ethnically cleansed’ from 10 Arab countries. These refugees outnumber the Palestinian refugees two to one, but their narrative has all but been ignored. Unlike Palestinian refugees, they fled not war, but systematic persecution. Seen in this light, Israel, which absorbed most of these Jewish refugees, is the legitimate expression of the self-determination of an oppressed indigenous, Middle Eastern people.
This website is dedicated to preserving the memory of the near-extinct Jewish communities, which can never return to what they once were. It will attempt to pass on the stories of the Jewish refugees and their current struggle for recognition and restitution. Awareness of the injustice done to these Jews can only advance the cause of peace and reconciliation.
(Iran: once an ally of Israel, the Islamic Republic of Iran is now an implacable enemy and numbers of Iranian Jews have fallen drastically from 80,000 to 20,000 since the 1979 Islamic revolution.
A lot of what you say may well be true, but the fact still remains that in the late 1940s, as a result of Jewish/Israeli actions (I put it no more strongly than that), very large numbers (I put it no more strongly than that) of Palestinians became refugees, and are still refugees. Why is that? It’s because Israel point-blank refuses to implement countless UN resolutions and it flouts the Geneva convention. Israel is a member of the UN and a signatory to the Geneva Convention. No wonder Palestinians fight back with whatever weapons they can lay their hands on: I’d do the same if it were me, wouldn’t you?
Let’s go back to 1945. After a hundred years of talking about it, Jews have finally decided that enough is enough and that there must be a Jewish homeland. Fine, after the holocaust, I’m sure the whole world would have agreed with that, including me.
The questions then arise, where should that homeland be and what should happen to any non-Jews then currently living in the chosen region? They’re fair questions. The trouble began because, although the first question was answered by the Jews perfectly understandably taking direct action, no-one gave any thought to answering the second question. The Balfour Declaration said, and I quote it in full (most commentators only quote the first part). “His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.” The so-called twice-promised land.
The second part of that Declaration never happened. That is the cause of the continuing war between Palestine and Israel.
Your suggestions for a solution are welcome.
How in any stretch of your imagination could you possibly come up with Cluster bombs?
Ah, so your god and you are happy with everything else, then?
I didn’t come up with cluster bombs, America did, who sold some to Israel who dropped them on Lebanon.
BDS and Nazis : What’s the difference?
I am an America. WE LOVE ISRAEL!!!
I have been kicked off of two blog sites for blasting Obama.
I was even kicked off Face Book (and yet Terrorists have their own page on Face Book.
I was only uploading articles from Fox News and Various other articles.
Please KNOW this. America LOVES Israel.
Israel is Blessed by God.
Gosh, I’d never realised. Are you saying that your god approves of cluster bombs, phosphorus, refugee camp massacres, razing of villages and murder of all inhabitants?
I want very much for “Honest Reporting to succeed. I have not seen a single reference to continuous Settlement building in the West Bank and in East Jerusalem.
Could tell me why there have been no such articles??
Mike why should there be-?
All illegal settlements without planning permission have been and or will be evacuated.
Love the new format! It makes reading/digesting/searching for stories much easier. Thx. for thinking about your readers.
Honest reporting is based in Israel, not the UK but whats in a name when they say they are hones right
Behind these people is zionist money that is used to try to hide all the murders in Gaza commited by the terrorist state of Israel and now they want to staert WWIII by attacking Iran on a pack of lies.
May i remind everyone who’s attacking who and who has 350+ illegal nukes and most british politicians on the payroll.
Honest my a$$
Get back on your meds you terrorist-loving dunce.
Of course this guy will be a “Hit and Run” fool- They usually are- So we can all tell him/her how Hamas uses human shields- etc and prove him /her wrong-
But I suggest he/she will not be back to read any of it so its a waste of time.
They are usually cowards ,this way.
In response to Mr. Steve Mann, HR Feb2012, who has said:
“…this guy will be a “Hit and Run” fool…”, on this imposter ‘Honest Reporter’, who has concluded: “… Honest my…”
Well, he is a very honest representative of those blood-thirsty groups, that take to themselves all rights, and deny any rights from others.
He/she believes that killing of Christians, Jews, secular men, and women (even Moslems), is their religious right/obligation.
People like him/her also tend to believe that their victims do not even have the right of self-defense!
They count and shout about those on their side who have been injured or killed, during their offence over millions of innocent victims. But:
They never bother to remember or hear the agony of those millions who suffer from their ill-behavior.
They consider their act of causing agony, as their privilege and obligation, in order to enforce upon their victims to “realize their wrong doings”, thus to force them “to see the light of the superior system…”!
Now the question is: what are the sources of this deep dissonance.
Here are some suppositions, that I find relevant:
1) Mental sickness or at least disorientation
2) Personality mania and disturbance
3) Built-in criminality and brutality
4) Distorted set of values and belief. For example:
- assumption that Men should NOT have EQUAL RIGHTS
- assumption that they are the SUPERIOR Race, Religion, Ideology, Color, Gender, etc.
- assumption that their “Religion, Idea, Political System, Culture, the like…) is the only legitimate one, which be imposed on all “others”!
- assumption that all there is in the universe, is at their disposal and ownership (including the lives an destiny of “others”)
- assumption that the day of Judgment has come, and that THEY have been nominated as the SUPRIM JUDGES
- … add your own ideas here…
Any one of these sicknesses alone, and of course their combination, is enough to destroy the human culture as we know it, and convert HUMANITY into SLAVERY, AGONY, and HUMAN SLAUGHTER
The fascinating fact is that at this particular point of human history, MOST of above-mentioned illnesses, are present in a certain cult who calls herself “Religion”, “Ideology”, and “Culture”.
This unique cult uses the most devastating tools (including mind washing, two-facedness, explosives, rockets, and possibly atomic bombs) to mass-murder not only “others”, but even their own blood and flash residents, relatives, wives, sisters, and even their own children.
What can one say?
FIGHT sick-mindedness before it is TOO LATE, because besides it being too dangerous, it is also contagious! PREVENT this EPIDEMY now!
To “Honest Reporter”, HR Feb2012
“Honest reporting is based in Israel, not the UK but whats in a name when they say they are hones right
Behind these people is zionist money that is used to try to hide all the murders in Gaza commited by the terrorist state of Israel and now they want to staert WWIII by attacking Iran on a pack of lies.”
You question the honesty of HR criticizing the dishonesty of British report. To prove your claim you have given that address of the British report, without realizing that this report is an excellent example on dishonest reporting that HR complain about!
If you were an unbiased watcher of that report you would soon realize to what degree this report is dishonest. Lets examine some aspects of this dishonesty, you so much cherish:
a) During the entire report after a footage of bloodshed, the camera immediately changes focus on plates of food and knife and forks, while your “honest reporter” talks about “Israel”. Clearly, this is a miserable abuse of Pablovian mind setting your “honest friend” is trying to create in the minds of millions, at the edge of Nazi Propaganda and the darkest type of Anti-Semitism The underlying message is brisk clear: “…kill and enjoy the meal!” Would any reporter has done such an inhuman linkage about your dear friends, that reporter would have been assassinated long ago. See how European reporters who dared to report from Syria have been gunned down during past days!
Just to remind you dear “dishonest Honest Reporter”, that during past 4 decades, hundreds of honest reporters have been brutally injured and killed by your dear friends.
b) All through this “honest report” of your favorite reporter, he dramatically explicates every and any donation made by the Jewish lobby, but he tries very hard to hid and cover from the public eyes, the huge amounts that the Arab lobbies (or as a matter of fact, Moslem and other lobbies) contribute!
This is a very strong evidence of dishonest reporting, you have presented here! Next time you should better, work harder to find other types of excuses to criticizes HR.
Or, possibly you are a supporter of HR, and are shy to admit!?
c) In any decent report media, the honest reporters, try to avoid any frames focusing on the faces of dead people, and specially the faces of children, no matter to what side of clash do they belong. Honest reporters, also do not make close-up on blood, and harsh scenes of fight.
But, not surprisingly, your dearest “honest reporter” has failed, again, and again, and again, to fulfill this essential humanistic requirement of honest decent reporting.
d) Honest reporting is about objectively searching and describing for the facts, evidences, and action-reaction chain. Zooming, concentrating, and focusing on one side of the story, while ignoring totally the other side of that story, is one-sided, biased, phlegmatic, and dishonest reporting.
Facts: Aza authorities at south, (and until recently Hezbollah at north) of Israel, daily shed tens of rockets and martyrs, against Israel, causing, terrible damage, injuries, and killing of men, women, children, and elderly of Israeli residents!
But this “honest reporter” of yours, completely has ignored these facts.
Instead, he tries very hard, to twist the action-reaction chain around, as if Israel had acted and Aza has reacted.
You dear “honest reporter”, are not really so naïve to believe that suck a blunt twist of facts is an honest practice, are you?
Despite what you, dishonest “honest reporter” try to impose on human minds, honest people of the world demand: Back to the Facts, Ethics, and to Values of HONEST REPORTING!! No more brain wash!!!
“… state of Israel and now they want to staert WWIII by attacking Iran on a pack of lies.”
a) The International Atomic Committee has so far found at least 3 types of evidence, that has been labeled as “Smoking Guns”, by the international community.
1) A decade ago or so, the members of that UN committee, discovered the Iranian BLUE PRINTS for military atomic weapon. Iran then admitted.
2) Afterwards, UN search committee discovered a hidden site in Iran that is dedicated to build atomic weaponry. Iran again admitted.
3) Recently, still another hidden site has been discovered inside Tehran (in the heart of residential area) that is geared to make atomic arms…
These evidences prove beyond any reasonable doubt, that Iran lies about her intensions to make atomic bomb.
How many more are there that the UN committee has not discovered yet? Iran, can not be trusted anymore!!
b) No country of the world, not America, not Israel, nor any other nation, has ever threatened the very existence of IRAN. Nobody has declared that the State of Iran should be evaporated from the surface of the earth!
In contrast, Iran has repeatedly declared her urge to destroy the State of Israel, who is a legal member of UN, who has friendly, warm, and binding mutual defense relations with many countries of the world. Iran’s declaration is an act of aggression against those friends of Israel as well…
This action of Iran is an act of aggression and international terror. This is declaration of war. This is an illegal act under the charter of UN. This is declaration of the start of WWIII.
c) Iran has attacked Israeli Embassies, and Jewish houses and facilities, around the world. It is an act of aggression not only against the State of Israel, not only against the Jewish nation, but also an act of war against the nations, governments, and the pure homeland of those countries, in which these embassies reside. Iran actually has started the WWIII against tens of countries of the world. Iran has converted herself into a state of WW. For the safety of the world, Iran must be disarmed, not only from atomic power, but from any type of weaponry!!!
d) Iran trains thousands of terrorists on her land and around the world, and arms them with military standard explosives, machineguns, rockets and money, passports, and diplomatic backing. These are preparations on the part of Iran to spread her war against humanity, and continue the WWIII as far as possible…
These acts of Iranian aggression, is funded on part of the wide-spread poverty of millions of her own residents!
Iran provides weapon to Syria to actively kill tens of thousands of Syrian residents, and at home, Iran herself starves to death resident of her own land! Iran has lost her sense of decency, humanism, and legality!!
You, dearest “honest reporter”, see all of that, and joyfully blame Israel!!
Do not pretend that you do not know all of these facts, dear “honest reporter”.
But at least you are “honest enough” to disclose your own plain soul and mind, by declaring “Honesty my …$$”.
Might be you have found the best way to introduce yourself to the public!!! Who are we to disagree with you?
No better example of human rights being trampled on can be found than UNESCO’s refusal to try to sort out the mess it has created by the unlawful admission of “Palestine” as the 195th member state of UNESCO.
Approaching the International Court to determine the legality of its decision is one way to help restore UNESCO’s credibility and its dedication to helping underprivileged people all around the world who are going to suffer as a result of this unlawful decision.
The sooner UNESCO returns to carrying out its Charter and abandons its attempt to protect its decision on “Palestine” from judicial review – the sooner the expectations of scores of millions of people globally can be raised that their human rights will be restored and their futures positively enhanced.
I hope all HonestReporting members will get behind this petition, sign it and circulate it to their social networks to do likewise.
1. 900 people from 25 countries have now signed my petition urging UNESCO to seek an advisory opinion from the International Court on the legality of its decision to admit Palestine as a member state of UNESCO.
2. UNESCO continues to stonewall – but they are feeling the heat as the loss of 22% of its budget in suspended American dues seriously impacts its humanitarian programs world wide.
3. Read my latest article detailing what has happened to date in my dealings with UNESCO.
4. Please sign the petition and encourage your immediate family (especially husbands and wives, girlfriends,boyfriends), your friends on Facebook and on other social networks to sign the petition which can be found at:.
5, Each member of HonestReporting acting together to sign and circulate the petition has the collective power to make the petition go viral. Please let the genie out of the bottle to let UNESCO know you are concerned at its unlawful decision and require it to be reviewed.
High International Legal Forum (HILF) To david singer
Equality of human rights is the most important amendment. Human rights, need International Constitution. Human Equality must be declared as the first amendment in the International constitution (Law). Then based on this amendment, a high-ranked High International Legal Forum (HILF) must be formed, in which only those nations who abide to this amendment, are allowed to send representatives, as members of this Leal Forum. This Forum (HILF) then may act as jury in the UN Court to judge (individuals and/or Countries) suspected to have committed crime against Human Rights. Then, one can legally prevent from those criminal tyrants/government, to become members of Human Right Organization of UNESCO.
Moreover, by this constitution, HILF should be empowered to take certain actions/measures against Ideologies, which call for inequality. e.g., boycott against products of those countries whose declared policy and ideology is against equality of human rights…
In World War 2 I could not get away from Anti Semitism, no matter where I went. I looked at my ass and it looked the same as the ass on my Christian accusers. I looked for something that would make me assinine. Couldn’t find it, either. Would I have been better off not to join the Navy in 2 wars?
From Avi to Jules Tabak Jan2012 in HR
Dearest Mr. Jules Tabak
“In World War 2 I could not get away from Anti Semitism, no matter where I went. I looked at my ass and it looked the same as the ass on my Christian accusers. I looked for something that would make me assinine. Couldn’t find it, either. Would I have been better off not to join the Navy in 2 wars?
No way!! You are my hero even if you do not see that!
Here I try to hint shortly why:
1) Niche has said some thing like: “Conscience is a Jewish Invention”. On my part I say conscience, like any human property is distributed NORMALLY, in any community: At one pole, there are those, who have it all, and they are few. On the opposite pole, there are few who do not have it at all (like anti Semites and Tyrants). And, the middle, the majority, own it partially.
Now usually, the wars are waged and posed on the majority, by the reckless, cruel minority (like anti Semites and Tyrants) whose conscience is NIL, NADA! Absolute ZERO!
Can you guess who usually succeeds to defeat them? You are right! Those who are at the opposite POLE: those with full size conscience! That is why the first thing the Tyrants an anti-Semite do, is to wipe out as soon as possible those whom they think have conscience.
You are lucky and blessed to be between those who have it, had also the chance to prove it, and saved others, and of course YOURSELF.
If we let the NEW wave of Tyranny, Hatred, Anti-Semitism and Radicalism spread again (as it seems to be the case against the Democratic Western Countries, and obviously against Israel) then the coming generations of our children and grandchildren, would face the same bloody war, and worse!
2) You might have heard the story about the Rabbi who visited a small poor Jewish village. The villagers wanted to give the Rabbi a gift as a token of appreciation. They thought what and how to find the share! So the solution they found was: give the Rabbi a bottle of Vodka, and decided that every family contribute a glass, and all of the, fill together the bottle! One of house wives suggested to her husband to save their glass of Vodka and, give water instead. She argued that when every body contribute the share of Vodka, then their glass of water would go without being sensed!
When the Bottle was filled by all those families, they found out that it included water only, with no trace of Vodka!!! In that case, it so turned to be, that every one of them put water, relying on others who would put the Vodka…
What is the point? The 2nd World stopped the brutal enslavement and killing of MILIONS of innocent people!
If you were not there to win, and others like you would not be either, then we all know what would have become the destiny of this poor planet! Believe it or not, you have saved the world from that terrible destiny, and I personally am sure that you are a hero!
3) In Talmud, there are sayings that cause many people feel un-easement, because these saying put them in front of the purest mirrors. One of them says: “Be human, where there are no humans!”.
II World War, was posed on human race by a bunch of inhuman leaders, scientists, officers, reporters, ordinary soldiers, and farmers who had no note of humanism. In that black era that no human could escape from that torch, you and other humans stood up and endangered your self, and proved the essence of that Talmudic saying! BRAVO!!
4) Unfortunately, even if you won that cruel creature, the humanistic society, did NOT finish the job. It did not ERADICATE the and not even punished those who had put on that fire! These snakes, not only survived, not only escaped punishment, but grow up a new generation of cruel, inhuman, blood-thirsty creatures who plan again to put the whole world on fire!
You Sir are within those few, the best suited HUMAN who has the responsibility to stand up, and loud and clear raise your voice to tell the whole world NO MORE! NO MORE! ENOUGH of that tyranny: be it by New-Nazis, New Radical Islamists, New Fascists, New Fundamental Leftists, who have, somehow, found each other, and cooperate to bring back that old agony of brutality, enslavement, human slaughter, and new holocaust!
So be PROUD, do not regret a bit, and go to the new fire-zone and lead us to Victory, of HUMANS with CONSCIENCE over those INHUMANS who have NO conscience.
Well what ever happened to JOE-! I should I be surprised.!
And talking about Fisk- On the comments page of the Independent- He constantly demonizes Israel.
Of recent have found it impossible to argue with him as I can not click onto his “comments” button.
I wonder whether I have been saying something that has annoyed him?
By now you must know this type of men like Joe, who always want to be heared, never to listen!
Under the British Mandate, like the 20 centuries before that the land of Israel, and Judea hsa always been owned lawfully by the Jewish Nation, only hers, ant ever any other nations. I alwas has been the Jewish homeland, occupied by: Greek, Romans, Persia, Arab’ Turk, and British mikitary forces. Arabs xoccupied this land by force without the permission of its owner the Jewish nation, but never got any kind of ownership over this land. Only in 1970′s apeople was artificially created by PLO under the lable Palesitinian, to make a very simple matter artificially complex and unresolvable. The root of Arab initiation against Jewsih State is not Political, Geographical or Social matters: Rather, it comes from the deepest level of anti-jewish sayings of the their holley book. In this regard, there is little difference between that little one of 1930′s and that of todays anti-Israeli propaganda.
“The land of Israel and Judea have always been owned lawfully by the Jewish Nation”
Who says? What law?
Define “the Jewish Nation”.
Does the Jewish Nation “own” anything else?
Dear John, Jan, 2012, comment in HR
The term “Jew” is the western pronunciation of the Hebrew word “Yehuda”. “Yehuda” is the name of the forth out of 12 sons of Yaacob (usually known as Bnei Israel, “Bani-Esraiil” in the Moslem Books, or “Israelites”, as referred to by Christian Books), from Lea. Its dictionary meaning is “Thanks to G-d”. It is attached to the “Bnei Israel”, because they have been giving thanks to G-d, for ever. Yehuda was born about 3,700 years ago, and his decedents got to the kingdom of Jewish nation, starting by David the Majestic.
About 3,400 years ago the decedents of Yakove got released from the Egyptian State of slavery. In Egyptian documents they are mentioned as Abiru, Habiro, Avaris, and some times as:
“The Hyksos first appeared in Egypt during the eleventh dynasty, began their climb to power in the thirteenth dynasty, and came out of the second intermediate period in control of Avaris and the Delta. By the fifteenth dynasty, they ruled Lower Egypt, and at the end of the seventeenth dynasty, they were expelled.”
The first Jewish State was initiated by Jashua [about 1,400 bc], as a United States of 12 tribe of Bnei Israel, whose constitution was the Laws of Torah, given by all-mighty G-d through Moses (see Holly bible).
All Jewish Prophets (except Moses, Aharon, Miriam, and Jashaa), including Jesus the Christ, were born in the state of Israel.
Ancient Israel had 12 States. One of them is “Judea”, (“YEHUDA” in Hebrew), and is OWNED by “Yehuda” tribe. This United States of 12 tribes continued her self enrolment about 1,800 years [1,400bc - 400ac]. Her capital was, and still is Jerusalem. King Saul, King David, King Solomon the Great were some of the Jewish Kings of the State of Israel.
Like many other countries over the world, great forces occupied the land of Israel: Assyrians, Babelions, Greeks, Romans, Persians, Bezants, Arabs, Turks, and Britain, but none of them owned any part of this Jewish homeland.
You of course can go back and educated yourself about any one of them, and ask: where did these offenders and occupiers came from? what & where were their own homelands? what were their languages?, and why did they bother to go so far to occupy other nations’ homelands?, and specifically, the Jewish homeland?
It is written in the history of all those occupiers, and also of course, in the history of Jewish nation.
You want some definition of the Jewish nation: All those who are decedent of Jacob, or have converted to Judaism, by accepting the Jewish Laws, as defined in the Jewish Bible, the Torah.
They might be dispersed all over the globes, because they have been forced to, during the terrible times of world tyranny.
But they have never left their homeland of Israel, not for a second. The Jewish existence in their homeland Israel has for ever been continuing, the majority of the time (if not always), they have been the majority of Israels’ inhabitants.
Romans, after leaving their paganism, became Christians, which was considered as a Jewish fraction, for almost 300 years. As soon as the Roman Church formally departed from her Jewish mother, she started to call herself the “true Jews”, which Should be a partial answer to your question, how to define the Jewish nation. I could of course, exaggerate by saying the “The Jewish nation is that nation that the Churches, and the Mosques, so strongly want to become”!
Also I can be playing around and define that the Jewish nation is that nation, those whom all anti-Semites, and anti-Jewish, and anti-Judaisms, so eagerly want to destroy. It seems to me that no intelligent ideologist would chaise to destroy a nation that does not exist… But this is only a teasing awkward way of putting it.
You are curious to know: Why is that the OWNERSHIP of this land LWAFULLY still in the hands of the Jewish nation, and by which “LAW”?
The reason is the International law: Any piece of land, is lawfully under the ownership of the last known owner-nation (not occupiers, but OWNER). The international law acknowledges that the last ownership over the land of Israel, Judea, and some parts of Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon (not all of that but parts of), has always been, and still is in the hand of Jewish nation.
The land of “Palestine”, under the international law, has NOT and is NOT owned by any other nation except for the Jewish nation. It (and any part of it) is NOT “occupied land” by Israel. At most, it is Lawfully a state under “question” (by international law).
There are some who do not like that. It is understandable. The Jewish nation does not like it, because it puts her ownership under not justified question, because she is confident it is hers only.
You might find it necessary to inquire about that, by yourself.
“Palestinian Nation” has no historic existence before 1970s. And even if it had any sign of existence, they define themselves as ARABS.
The Arabs own their own Arab-Homeland(s), nothing more. Israel has never been Arab land, and since Palestinians are Arabs, they have now share of ownership over a non-Arab land like Israel.
Their status of Arab minority in Israel, is no different from the Status of Arab minorities who live in France, Sweden, Denmark, England, and united states.
Spain was occupied by Arabs and Arabs still live there. The same is true of Iran, Turkey, and other (Baltic, e.g.) homelands.
Would anybody with his right mind, suggest that the ownership of these homelands, granted to those Arab resident? I do not believe you do.
Do not, mistakenly, take “Palestine” instead of the Biblical “Peleshet”, which was a stronghold of South European shore invaders in Aza area [1,900 bc- 600 bc]. The were Europeans, not Arabs (at those days Arabs were scattered tribes within the Saudi Peninsula only/ Now more), their language was not Semitic as Arabi, their culture was pre-Greek and pre-Roman, and they never owned this land, because they had their own homeland, from where they brought their products, and to where they returned. Their strongholds were mainly military, and their desire was to protect the commerce paths between west and east.
What else do “JEWS OWN”? You ask:
They own their lives (it is not so clear to some Tyrants), their (Jewish) religion (the proto-Christian, and pre-Moslem monotheism), their Heavenly Bible called Torah (as you can read in the holly New Covenant and in the holly Quran), their own Shabbat (which is the original motivation for the Western resting day Saturday, and the Eastern rest day Friday), Passover (the original holiday of Christian Pas-ha), Kippur, Rosh Hashanah, Hanukah.
They also own their own (Hebrew) Language (in which Jesus the Christ and his first 12 followers or so, spoke and wrote).
They own their al-mighty G-d (who is referred to as “God”, “Hute”, “Chudeu”, “Khoda”, and “Je-va”, after his Hebrew unpronounceable holly name y-h-v-a), their own customs of Brith-Millah (which Moslems have adopted), marriage, Bar-Mitzva (which is adopted by Moslem for the boys to have circumcision).
They own hundreds of books written by their own prophets (Shemuel, Jermaya, Yeshaia, Daniel, Yeheskel, Habaook, etc. etc.) who are cited to prove that Jesus has been foreseen, or Cyrus is Masaya, Or that Quran is the lost Torah).
Jews own their own music, philosophy, and culture, and lately they own about tens of Nobel Prizes, and lately they own thousands of Patents written under their names, and own the ownership over thousands of large and small innovations that ease the lives of millions of sick people, and tens of patents, in the majestic modern computer and telecommunication which has brought the human being so close to each other.
And, of course, they have their own Anthem and flag, and schools, and universities, and banks and representatives, and president, and Parliament, and democracy, and human rights, and thousands of International accords of cooperation, and amendments, and peace making, and of course she has IDF, for defending herself from her black and blood thirsty enemies and Anti-Semites, and Anti Israelies, who have been aggressive against their children,
What else? They have their own satellites and Space technology, and there are some rumors which insist that Jews have even Atomic, and nuclear technology and know-haw.
What do Jews Not own? Oil, Energy, the Petro-Dollars that enslave all democratic and non-democratic countries of the world, the wealth of the Catholic and other Churches, any friendship or association with terroristic groups who kill innocent people under the name of ALLAH or any G-d, the desire to own any land beyond their own homeland of Israel, any tendency to take the right of self enrolment from other nations of the world, the tendency to see their place of birth and residency as if it is owned by them, the desire to be enslaved, the tendency to bend in front of any dictator, tyrant, or liar, and of course the slightest intension to disappear!
… Oh. I Just forgot to mention that this Jewish nation owns the rights of founding the Very Notion of Monotheism: on base of which other Monotheistic religions have been born, and now have a saying about the G-d of Abraham, Etzhaq, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon, and the majority of true prophets of G-d.
Believe it or not, Jews also own a very acute sense of humor! You ought to admi that, after what you have just read!
Be the G’ of J’s with you AND Have a very pleasant time
I am sorry about one of sentences not so clearly stated. the sentence:
“At most, it is Lawfully a state under “question” (by international law). ”
should be replaced by:
“What today by media is called “occupied territories”, is NOT defined by international law as “OCCUPIED”, rather is at most, called be at the state of under “question” (by international law).”
As you can see English is not my first or even second language. My aapologies for linguistic mistakes/
To John Bradford Feb2012 in HR
You asked about :
“The land of Israel and Judea have always been owned lawfully by the Jewish Nation”
Who says? What law?
Define “the Jewish Nation”.
Does the Jewish Nation “own” anything else?”
I hope you got your answer.
Incidentally I received a link that may be of interest to you and your colleagues. Please watch first the following:
Listen carefully to this fascinating Lady !!!!
Now Dear John,
I re-word your own question and ask you:
“The land of “Palestine” (= Israel in the Eys of Hamas, and “=Judea, Shomron, Aza”, on the lips of less radicals, and “= 67 occupied area” in the minds of pro-Arab leftists), is owned by the “Palestinian Nation””
Who says? What law?
Define “the Palestinian Nation”.
Does the Palestinian Nation “own” anything else?”
More so, I ask you:
“Is there anything in this world, which Moslems do not OWN (at least potentially by Shareya)?”
John Bradford, dear John, it´s good to see you again mate! After more that six months!
I have read your comments:
“The land of Israel and Judea have always been owned lawfully by the Jewish Nation”
Does the Jewish Nation “own” anything else? »
Why do you ask “What law”, regarding to the Jews and Israel?
Hope you won´t say again that my comments are “rubbish”, as happened the last year!
PS: I´ve seen the answer for you has been amazingly stated. I apologize too, as I did more than six months before, for my poor English.
Avi- My opinion is that its purely religious-
The Muslim world , especially in the M.E. “Hates” the idea that there is a non-Muslim democratic state in the area- They attempt to change history- Even without history- The UN granted the land to the Hebrew nation- They tried giving some of it to the Arabs- They turned it down- We are now in the 21st century- Israel once more exists- End of!
Dear steve mann, 30 Jan2012 in HR
You are “almost” right to state:
“The Muslim world , especially in the M.E. “Hates” the idea that there is a non-Muslim democratic state in the area”.
You dear Sir, are almost but not totally right.
The truth of matter is:
“The Muslim Religion, as written in her Holly book, not only “especially in the M.E.” but all over the world ( “Hates”) opposes the idea that there is a non-Muslim (democratic or any other type) of self-governing state in the entire world (not only in this particular area).”
The notion “democracy” is usually used to divide and conquer! It is of little concern. The main issue is the right of self-governing of non-Moslems.
According to their Holly Book, and as it is taught everywhere by the Sheikhs, every day, Islam opposes the very notion of Equality in Rights, free of religious Discrimination.
1) At the top, are Moslems, as the Purest and the Most Important people of the world, have the totality of all rights. This includes defining for others their status, their very right of existence, and the very right of self determination!
2) The second hand people, are defined to be the “Book Holders” (Jews, Christians, and Zorastharians, only), who are given the right to continue their lives, only if they pay Ransom and Protection Fees to Moslems. If they refuse they ought be beheaded, or convert to their religion. Their rights are roughly less that 10% of all possible rights
3) At the bottom are all other human beings of the world, whose duty is to convert to Islam, or to be beheaded by sword (this group includes, seculars, anti religions, and-non-believers (in all-mighty G-d)
Jihad is the Holly War to enforce these Discrimination Laws, over the world, if it is possible by negotiation, and when impossible by force and war.
So, you are quit right by arguing that the Arab, Moslem, and Pro-Moslem, and “Palestinian” opposition to Israel, is purely religious, and discriminatory.
But so is the opposition to western culture, by bombing (9/11 e.g.), and terroristic attacks, and global political and cultural attack against values of Human Equality, Self determination, and cultures of other nations.
The Atomic Bomb, in Iranian Hands, is the most devastating weapon against the global order, United Nations, International Laws, and world peace.
Iran supports and trains tens of Terroristic Organizations (Hamas, Hizbollah, International Jihad, etc. etc.). There is little doubt about the intensions of Iran: attack and destroy every non-Moslem countries, by these terroristic groups, and get shelter under her atomic umbrella.
After that, to the best my knowledge, the world History as we know it, will come to its tragic end. Please be warned!!!
Ah! Avi- You talk of Dar ul-Harb Dar ul-Islam-
After many years of study I too am well aware of the Islamic ideology.
However I still believe in a democracy- That which allows all to have their say- and others to argue against them- In peace and without fear.
“However I still believe in a democracy- That which allows all to have their say- and others to argue against them- In peace and without fear.”
Such a Utopia can never exist as long as there is a murderous cult that believes in the immutable Koran, a book that exhorts its followers to convert, enslave or murder non believers and to ultimately rule the world?.
The only Jewish Nation is the land of Israel. Secular, with other faiths ad political diversities as is the United States, Canada the UK and others who are Christian nations.
In the UK each member of parliament has to swear allegiance to the “Crown”- The “Crown” is the defender of the FAITH.
The US is allegiance to the “Flag” and in God we trust-
So when you mention Jewish Nation and own – Is your premise “What do Jews own” ?
Or what do the inhabitants of Israel own? Of course other than the land that once was , in the main, a wilderness and now n under 70 years a western type metropolis.
Another “Dear John” letter.
You asked about :
“The land of Israel and Judea have always been owned lawfully by the Jewish Nation”
There was no Israel before the Jews and the Jews have never relinquished ownership of that land.
God. The League of Nations. The United Nations. And, if necessary, force of arms.
Darwin’s Survival of the Fittest.
Many nations great and small have come, shone for a while, dimmed and vanished from existence.
The Jews, one of the tiniest of nations, have survived despite being subject for millennia to all the horrors that mankind can devise.
“Define “the Jewish Nation”.
nation |?n? sh ?n|
a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
Try to apply any one of these characteristics to the so called Palestinians.
“Does the Jewish Nation “own” anything else?”
A civilized morality that is exceedingly rare among the peoples of this world.
A civilised morality?
Dropping cluster bombs and phosphorus on your neighbours? I’m glad I don’t live next door to a civilised morality so perhaps it’s a good thing that it is exceedingly rare.
The International Committee of the Red Cross says white phosphorus is being used in Gaza. No question.
Taken from Christian Monitor-
But they have no evidence that Israel is using it illegally.
“In some of the strikes in Gaza it’s pretty clear that phosphorus was used,” Peter Herby, head of the Red Cross mines-arms unit, told the Associated Press Tuesday. “But it’s not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it’s being used in any other way.”
Cluster Bombs- Well its a war when someone sends 10000 rockets at you- It took 3 years for Israel to respond- I cant see any other country in the world waiting that long. So whatever they used -good luck to them- And Hamas, start building shelters with the UN .
, EU and USA money you get, if you are going to start a war- not luxury hotels, swimming pools and buying new Mercedes for your officials to drive around in.
Of course you would say that- You make the points about phosphorus and cluster bombs- to put Israel in a bad light- When you get the response that you dont like its- “I am fed up with your answers etc….
I think that makes you a “Hypocrite!
(a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie )
The day that your neighboor starts launching Katyusha rockets in your direction come back and preach to us sinners about morality, civilized or otherwise.
We’ve all been through this daft argument before. My neighbour isn’t going to launch any sort of rockets at me because, unlike many Jews, then Israelis, I haven’t stolen his land and property at gunpoint. That’s what the Jews/Israelis first started doing in the late 1940s and are still doing. The people whose land and property were stolen at gunpoint not surprisingly want it back. If they’re given back what was stolen from them (with an apology – that would be good) perhaps they’ll stop firing rockets.
Seems obvious to me. Have you never asked yourself why they’re firing rockets at Israel?
See, if you weren’t Jewish look at all the fun you would miss
Joe you sound like Robert Fisk of the Independent newspaper-
Makes many comments but never any substance.
There used to be another “Lttle” man who sounded much the same back in the 1930`s.
And folks I reckon Joe will not even return to argue- His type usually “Hit and Run”.
So Joe -Israel successfully defended itself against 6 Arab States-in 1948.
Then again against Egypt, Syria and Jordan on 3 fronts in 1967.
The Land was under British rule neither Arab or Hebrew prior to 1948-
Regardless of population – The UN made the end decision in 47 The Hebrews accepted the Arabs turned it down- Then war- The rest is history-
Joe’s mind is made up.
Let’s not try to confuse him with facts.
Truth be known Israel if it was any country other than yours the recent assassination of the Iranian scientist would have been rightly called exactly what it was, murder and terrorism! The man in question was not any high level nuclear worker in the sense that he was irreplaceable in order for their program to continue and your intelligence agencies knew this. Your country is trying to bait America into supporting your cause by throwing gasoline on the fire so to speak and you killed an innocent man that was on his way to work to do it. Shame on you!
Regardless of Iran’s true motivation for its nuclear program- I certainly believe they are trying to develop weapons or will but only because they are being force into that position by your stupidity – your policy of assassination of anyone affiliated with it is criminal for how do you know what level of knowledge their common nuclear worker really has of the political ramifications of what they are doing? Your country itself has nuclear weapons in violation of international law are your workers to be held to the same standards? You are not going to stop nuclear proliferation of other countries. The cat is out of the bag with nuclear technology and to try to negate this fact you would be to have to control nuclear knowledge itself which can’t be done to the point of stopping your enemies from getting nukes. Again your senior policy makers know this- or at least should- and so the question is: what are your true motivations for your current Iran policy? Your true motivation for this current nonsense is to have the upper hand in terms of foreign policy negotiations by being the only nuclear power in the region but where will this end even if you are successful with stopping Iran temporarily? Is Saudi Arabia next? How about Egypt? Yemen? U.A.E.? Or a host of other potential countries that you view as hostiles that surround you. All of these countries will in all probability be nuclear capable in the sense of know-how if not industrially within the next generation. What then? Try to get America to help you as your doing now with Iran or did with Iraq? (How did that work out?) Do it your selves? You and I both know a country of your size could never do it nor do I really believe you stand a chance against Iran even with America’s Help. I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news but this is simply the reality of the situation and it all goes back to the contradiction of the very founding of your present state.
The fact is there are only three and a half million or so Jews surrounded by over a billion other non-Jews and you took this land in the wrong way. It is this former fact that makes defense of your nation an impossibility unless you’re willing to resort to cut-throat tactics which apparently you are but even then that will only be a temporarily solution. If you made up for the wrongs your country did in its founding by honoring in good faith something along the lines of U.N. Resolution 242’s general framework it is in my view this would be the only way your nation could be tenable but your false pride doesn’t enable you to do this. Why is there such an objection to a single state solution? Is it that important for the “Jewish State” to be so demographically as well? Do you not know how much G-d loves you! If a demographically Jewish State was a must then why did you pick your current location? What did G-d give the Holy Land to Abraham for it to be His chosen police state and for his decedents to violate just about every command that was given to them by Him? There were other locations your people could have settled the new state of Israel but you chose historical Judea for nostalgic reason but yet you violated the very precepts that G-d gave of you in so doing it and that is what in a nutshell you are currently dealing with and the longer you wait to address this issue the worst it will be. I will pray for you to come to your senses, Shalom.
come back to enlighten us sinners with your tuppence morality when you’ve found any hard evidence that it was in fact Israel who killed the Iranian scientist.
Dera Lttle one Joe: How do you know all about what you wrote (“Truth be known Israel if it was any country other than yours the recent assassination of the Iranian scientist would have been rightly called exactly what it was, murder and terrorism! The man in question was not any high level nuclear worker in the sense that he was irreplaceable in order for their program to continue and your intelligence agencies knew this. Your country is trying to bait America into supporting your cause by throwing gasoline on the fire so to speak and you killed an innocent man that was on his way to work to do it. Shame on you!”)?
Are you the spockman of Iran? Arae you their agent? Are you their proxy ally? No matter who you are/ What makes any importance is WHAT you are. No more that an obssessive anti-semite that makes up stories, repeats that, and beives in those fictious stories. If you are religous, you should know by now what G-d reserves for those who blame others fictiously, and put their names and, positions, and possibly their lives in danger. Your fictious stories in this regard is no less and no more that the fictious story about a Roman murder 2’000 years ago, which was later sewitched intenssionaly on the hands of Jews!
Can I use your comment to declare: “Regardless of Iran’s true motivation for its nuclear program- I certainly believe they are trying to develop weapons or will but only because they are being force into that position by your stupidity”? To me it sound very appropriate that everybody would tell it to YOU dear Joe
Does Israel have nuclear weapons?
Dear Little Joe
you have posed an essential question, that is greately appropriate to your owen accusationa:
” your policy of assassination of anyone affiliated with it is criminal for how do you know what level of knowledge their common nuclear worker really has of the political ramifications of what they are doing?
One answer is that not only I do not know, but YOU do not know: whether they have been assasinated foreigners? or by any involvemnt of Israel? or Amaerica? It might be the work of Iranian liberal groups, who are horrified and assasinated by your “little freind” in Iran? or might be the work of surrounding Arab Emirites who are horified by the possiblity that Iran may have that terrible weapon? or possibly by the terrorist groups you so dearly cherish, that want to show their power to Iran and force her to give them the atomic knowledge? or possibly one of your own affiliates that artificially want to put the blame on Israel?
At any rate, Now there is my question to those little ons like yourself (by shifting a few words):
- your policy of accusation that brings assassination of anyone affiliated with it is criminal for how do you know what level of knowledge their common Agency workers (Israely or American) really has of the political ramifications of what they are doing, and WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
Dear little Joe
Finally I found a sesible question you have posed, that should be answered by any honnest human arround the world:
“what are your true motivations for your current Iran policy?”
For your knowledge a few facts:
1) From the age of Cyrus, Jewish prophets have appreciated the Just policy of Anciant Iranians. The Humanistic culture was shared by both Zoratrian Iranians and the Jewis nation. We all appreciate that even now. The good relationship of Jews and Iranians, lasted for abour 1,300 years [Cyrus 500 bc -Arab-Moslem occupation of Iran 700 ac]
2) Christian Antisemitism, forced her way into Iran at the end of Sassanites some 1,400 yers ago. Even though the Jewish nation never forgot the blessed policy of Ancient Iranians, and remained faithfull to them. It is OUR way of life to keep being thankfull to humanists of the world for ever
3) The harshest type of anti-minority, anti-different, anti-human-equality policy was forced into Iran at 7th century. Under their laws, the rightful humans are Arab_moslem, al the rest hve less that 8% human rights. These Masters of the world are defined to be the one and only group who has the right of having self-government/ No other nation, no other religion (Jewich/Chritian/ or thers) have the right of selfe-governing/ All shoul be undre their government. It is nothing that has ever been heard from other nations or religions (possibly by Natzies and/ or Bolshwicks). This policy is not only agains the existence of a Jewish State. It is a policy against any non-meslem state!
4) Based on this universal un-democratic, unhuman policy, the radical government of Iran has annonce once and again that she is going to “wipe-out, to destroy, to annihlate” the State of Israel as TEST CASE for other states to come. You side them, possibly because you hatred to the Jews is greater than you intelligence to see the danger your state is going to face when Iran goes nuke!
5) Israel and the majority of Jews have remaind fathfull to the Iranian nation, their tradition if humanism, respect their self determination, have no interest whatsoever to hurt their interests or feellings. But Iranian policy and idealogy is just the negative picture: Formal Iran is hatefull’ is radical, is un-human, is brutal, is dictator, is terroristic, and is lier, not only toawrds Israel and the Jews, not only against all humans of the middle-east, not only against the humanistic world, but also agains her own residents.
So, dear little Joe: In persian ther is a proverb: Tell me who are your freind, and I tell you what you are. G-d bless your soul!
Dear tiny Joe
I want to hearyou answer to you own qestion, with a little change:
“…even if you are UN-successful with stopping Iran temporarily? Is Saudi Arabia next? How about Egypt? Yemen? U.A.E.? Or a host of other potential countries that you view as hostiles that surround you. All of these countries will in all probability be nuclear capable in the sense of know-how if not industrially within the next generation. What then?”
and I dare adding:
Is it your dream to have someone who has the final solution for the Jewish “Problem”? Or is it the case that you yourself dream about having a small atomic bomb under your hand, bought from one of these proffelizers, in order to use it against those who see your sinful soul?
Super Intelligent people, like yourself, who know about the level of knowledge of any atomic scientist in Iran, and knows who has assasinted who in Iran, and who know why? and knows that the only desire of Israel is such and such, and knows about what Iranians really truely have in mind, and knows whay and how America is concerned about Israel and nobody else, this type of Super Duper intelligent person should think at least one step forward and ask himself: “why should we let those terrosts have this terrible weopen that can be easily turned and used agains me? my family? my Stae? My religion< and my human society?"
But this seems so far drom your lille ones, as east is appart from the west. Too much to ask? isn't it?
Conscience is an aptitude, faculty, intuition or judgment of the intellect that distinguishes right from wrong. Moral judgment may derive from values or norms (principles and rules).
here are some simple facts you shoul know
Jerusalem was founded by King David 3300 years ago and the Jews have lived there ever since.
Jerusalem is mentioned 600 times in the Torah and 140 times in the New Testament.
Jews have been the largest group of residents of Jerusalem since 1840s.
The Old City of Jerusalem contains the Western Wall on the Temple Mount. This wall is the last remaining wall of the Holy Temple that was destroyed by the Romans, and as such it is Judaism’s holiest site. In contrast, the Golden Dome and the Al Aqsa Mosque (both are also in the Old City, just above the Western Wall) are only third-holiest in Islam – after Mecca and Medina (in Saudi Arabia).
Even though Jerusalem is widely regarded as the center of all 3 Abrahamic religious (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) – historically, since its establishment by King David, it has never been the capital of any state other than Israel.
Israel was defending itself from aggression in the 1948 and 1967 wars, it has the most valid claim to sovereignty over Jerusalem.
Only since 1967, when Israel reunified Jerusalem in the Six-Day War, has there been freedom of religion and worship in Jerusalem for Christians, Muslims and Jews.
Israel is a tiny Jewish country that simply wants a fair go. And it’s not too much to ask. Judge for yourself:
There are 22 Arab states in the Middle East, occupying 99.3% of the Middle East land mass; Israel is the only Jewish state, occupying a mere 0.7% of the land mass of the Middle East. To give you some idea of just how small Israel really is – if the surrounding 22 Arab states were an official-size football field, then Israel would be a little matchbox in the middle of that field.
Arab League countries cover a global surface of 6 million square miles (10% of Earth’s surface). Israel only covers 8,000 square miles.
Jews comprise less than 0.2% of the world’s population.
The Palestinians claim that the land of Israel has belonged to them “from time immemorial.” The Palestinian Authority (PA) claims that the entirety of Israel is “occupied” territory. We know what the Palestinians say. But what does G-D say? What does the BIBLE say about the land?
GENESIS 15:18-21: In that day the Lord made a covenant with Avram (Abraham), saying, “To your seed I have given this land from the river of Egypt to the Great River [referring to the Euphrates River which, during the reigns of kings David and Soloman, formed the northeast boundary of the Promised Land]
NUMBERS 34:1-12: And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying, Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan…
GENESIS 17: 7-8 And I will establish my covenant between ME and thee and thy seed after thee throughout their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be a G-D unto thee and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and thy seed after thee, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Caanan,
Simple as that !
Why all the hate????????
UNESCO’s decision to admit Palestine as its 195th member was unconstitutional since 129 affirmative votes were required under article II (2) of UNESCO’S Constitution – but only 107 votes were in fact obtained.
I first drew this matter to UNESCO’S attention more than two months ago and suggested they review the legality of that decision and seek an advisory opinion from the International Court of Justice.
UNESCO has failed to rebut my claim or to justify the legality of its decision. UNESCO has stated it intends to make no comment on my claim.
This silence from UNESCO convinces me that my argument has substance and merit.
If the decision to admit Palestine was unlawful and was reversed – then America’s contribution of 22% of UNESCO’s budget would be restored overnight.
If you agree with me then I would urge you to visit my petition to UNESCO, to sign it and forward it to your friends and associates to also sign.
Had UNESCO’s Constitution been observed in the first place – UNESCO would not be faced with the huge black hole in its funding today.
Meantime millions of people world wide suffer the prospect of seeing programs such as literacy, gender equality, and clean water initiatives curtailed through lack of funds.
Go figure how UNESCO can allow that to happen – rather than immediately reviewing the legality of its decision that has led to this crisis.
Please read Haroon Siddiqui’s column “PM apes loony Republicans”
in today’s (12 January 2012) Toronto Star.
Love Live Israel!
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Zionists are the real Anti-semites, and they are terrorists who are totally against peace! WAKE UP Israel!!! LEARN the FACTS:
In a tape-recording made by an orthodox moderate named Yitzhak Frankental and later published in the Israeli press, Rabbi Rabinovitch says that if soldiers come to uproot settlers he intends “to scatter the area with roadside bombs like the Arabs do” (quote is his words).
Zionist Rabbi Schachter says: “It is forbidden to pray for peace in Eretz Yisroel, because the Israeli-Arab wars are the ‘beginning of the redemption’ and if there is peace, it will delay the redemption.”
Founder of zionism, Theodor Herzl, promoted anti-semitism to further the zionist cause. He states very clearly in his own diary: “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews…become worse…this will assist in realization of our plans…I have an excellent idea…I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth…The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews.” (from Herzl’s own Diary, Part I, p. 16)
At the Zionist Congress in London in 1937, Dr. Chaim Weizmann established policy with his words: ” The hopes of Europe’s six million Jews are centered on emigration. I was asked, ‘Can you bring six million Jews to Palestine?’ I replied, ‘No’….From the depths of the tragedy I want to save two million young people…The old ones will pass. They will bear their fate or they will not. They were dust, economic and moral dust in a cruel world…Only the branch of the young shall survive…They have to accept it.” (from the book: Holocaust Victims Accuse, p. 25)
One of the founders of the Haganah (the Zionists’ paramilitary militia-army before the 1948 war), Ze’ev Jabotinsky, declared that settlement of the “land” is the only “law”. He declared: “There is no justice, no law, and no God in heaven, only a single law which decides and supercedes all–Jewish settlement of the land.” (from the book: Righteous Victims, p. 108)
FACT: real Jews are AGAINST zionism:
The Rebbe of Satmar, Hungary, Grand Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum, a high-ranking rabbinical scholar of uncontested holiness, is one of the greatest giants in all of Jewish history. He called zionism “the work of Satan”, “a sacrilege” and “a blasphemy”. He forbade Jews to have any participation with anything even remotely associated with zionism and said that zionism was bound to call the wrath of God upon His people. He maintained this stance with unwavering bravery from the very onset of zionism. He wept that the Holocaust was a direct result of zionism as a punishment from God. In his book Vayoel Moshe (middle of Section 110) he states: “It is because of the Zi0nists that six million Jews were killed. The fact is that this is the bitter punishment stipulated in the Talmud (Tractate Ketuboth, p. 111)
The great Rabbi from Shinova, who was the son of the Holy Sanzer Rabbi of Poland said this 100 years ago, at the dawn of Zionism: “You should know, that when a Jew recites ‘Hear O Israel, G-d is our Lord, G-d is One’ he should have in mind to reject all idolatry in the world, and Zionism is also idolatry, and he must reject it as well.”
In a letter written by the famous Rabbi Tzadok Hakohen of Lublin, Poland, before World War II: “THE CONCLUSION IS TO BE DRAWN THAT IF THE ZIONISTS GAIN DOMINION THEY WILL SEEK TO REMOVE FROM THE HEARTS OF ISRAEL BELIEF IN G-D AND IN THE TRUTH OF THE TORAH. ALL THE INTENT OF THESE INCITERS AND SEDUCERS IS TO CAST ISRAEL INTO INFIDELITY, WHICH IS DESTRUCTION. Tzadok Hakohen”
In a letter from Rabbi Aryeh Leib Alter, known as the Sfas Emes, which he wrote early in the Zionist period, the Rabbi says: “Now behold Satan has come and confused the world….A thick cloak rest over the eyes of the leaders of the Zionists. ONLY OWING TO THEIR LACK OF FAITH AND ABSENCE OF BELIEF IN G-D DO THEY FAIL TO REALIZE THE EXTENT OF THE DANGER INVOLVED IN THEIR PROMISES TO THE MASSES OF THE PEOPLES AMONG WHOM WE LIVE, OF ALL THE WORLDLY DELIGHTS PROVIDED THEY GIVE AID TO THE ZIONISTS. THEY EVEN URGE THEM TO EXPEL JEWS FROM THEIR MIDST. Every sensible person will realize the help they are providing the enemies of the Jewish People…. Aryeh Leib Alter”
In this book, in chapter 26, Rabbi Yitchak Aramah states that the Decree of Exile for the Jewish People is so serious that even if the Jewish People were to terminate the Exile from the Holy land ONE DAY before the willing of G-d, the entire People would be in great danger by virtue of having violated the prohibition of ending the Exile as discussed in the Talmudic Tractate Kesuboth 111.
Plus…there are so MANY MANY more proven historical documents, records, books, statements, and events, all of which show a multiplicity of CLEAR evidences proving beyond doubt that Zionism is terrorism, against Jews, against peace, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with true Judaism. Read all about it yourself, and you will if you have ANY genuine interest in the real, unadulterated TRUTH!
I’m sure that you are wise enough to know that, depending on one’s beliefs, one can assemble learned quotes to support almost any case or cause. You have done an earnest job, but as one of seven generations of Jerusalemites, I don’t accept your position.
CNN calls Israelis who throw stone at a car terrorists, but calls Arabs who murder Jews militant. And Arabs throw rocks at Israelis, when one killed accidentally by a gas canister CNN reported that a Palestinian was fatally shot as if Israelis shot him with a gun. Also, CNN don’t call Arabs who throw rocks at Israelis either militants or terrorist.
This is simply CNN’s racism against Jews. Why honest reporting doesn’t do anything about this?
Has anyone commented on the McLaughlin Group show on PBS yesterday. The host tried to push Mort Zuckerman to admit that Gingrich only made his remarks about the palestinians to collect money from the Jewish group for his camoiagm, as did every other candidate, that spoke at the Jewish group meeting. Mr Zuckerman seemed quite flustered, as well he should. It was in my opinion close to being anti semetic,fortunately Pat Buchanan was not there to add to this insulting insinuation. Bernard Shuster
(This was written to respond to a post(s) at “Mother Jones” Magazine that began as a response to a Romney article by Asawin Suebsaeng and expresses both my views and a policy recommendation:)
Asawin Suebsaeng quote alluding to his own perhaps closeted hate in objecting to Romney’s “unambiguously pro-Israel” stance is what I object to. This I like about Romney. That’s what tells me he is still in touch with America’s better values. On the other extreme are my old and new left friends who kiss up to the racism and hate of 90% of the rest of the Middle East crowd. The left continues to think the Hitler like-values of the “street” in this part of the world are democratic and can be adjusted and liberalized and the “west” is just without values in failing to recognize these “oppressed peoples”.
The actual Middle East is better compared with the old south where blacks might occasionally be tolerated, but only if they have no rights. The street Arab is like the poor whites of the south manipulated and used especially in war and hate campaigns when Jews and Israel are involved and their elites feel threatened. Germany and Japan unfortunately required a war and occupation before this enemy was defeated. To reconstruct Iraq properly was the failure of democracy, not the War (why are we leaving?).
This kissing up to hate and authoritarians under the guise of being a peacenik or liberal will not create peace or a liberal environment where people can thrive. Did you miss WWII? You miss the real authoritarian enemies of peace to not understand the requirement that the left needs to adopt an “unambiguously pro-Israel” clarity or be sucked up like Stalin into thinking his main enemy was Churchill and the West at least until the Hitler invaded. “If only Israel would accommodate” argument is simply the “Munich” of our times.
Perhaps Romney is like Churchill, a conservative who was wrong about most everything, except on Hitler. Churchill spoke early about what few others, left or right, understood and that was the main enemy was the German hate regime and the need to stand up early to avoid a world war as the correct alternative to war. Yes, a smaller war to avoid a potentially larger one. (Bush had this in mind in Iraq) I voted for Obama because, at least in his words, he clearly seemed to know that Iran was the real issue for international peace, not Israel.
Obama and Bush both thought that the people of the Middle East are democratically capable, probably Romney thinks the same and so do I. These efforts should be complimented and encouraged, but the solution required is an “unambiguously pro-Israel” stance because if you can’t see what that clearly speaks to, then may I suggest to the “American street” you should ask those who claim democratic credentials and do not support Israel to be seen as what they are. Perhaps, a fifth column of hate, dupes, shills of Autocrats, or simply wolves in sheep’s clothing. Israel is not above criticism, but taking an “unambiguously pro-Israel” stance is the touchstone to finding a democratic pulse.
In the United States private lands can be seized provided there is compensation. This “apartheid” you talk of is false. This situation is more like the “East Prussians” The Soviet government relocated them all in order to provide no more excuses for starting wars from a population proven to have been largely devoted to hate and killing.
We should not follow their approach exactly, but the American approach. The Palestinians are hostages first of their own elites, then their neighboring fair weather supporters who keep them enslaved as diversionary propaganda pawns, Finally they are hostages to views, like your own, that describe Israeli’s defense in terms which are patently unfair and hide either your own hate or just an ignorance of the real facts on the ground on the intolerance of Israel’s neighbors and their equipping this population with either hate or weapons while the “good” world turns a blind eye in order to continue the flow of oil or the real threats to peace like Iran.
If these hostages had a vote they would come to the United States, or move to Europe and only a few would move to countries dominated by their brethren. I propose we rescue them. In your mind it would be from the Israelis, in my mind it would be from the hate regimes they live under. Does it really matter?
We have open space in the US. Most if relieved of their entrapment would decide to live peaceful lives. But the world continues to fund refugee camps and guns in order to prevent resettlement, compensation or agreements that could bring a lasting peace in short order. Your assumption is that most of these people want to stay there. Most really just want to leave, but you won’t let that happen because it would disagree with who you want to blame. The blame game is the real route to war because it is usually based on a lie.
“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me; I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
This may not always be America in deed, but it is a worthwhile solution to all concerned.
(I added afterwards)
In the quote from the sonnet I should have included the even more on-point preceding phrasing: “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”Emma Lazarus, 1883 Since I’m older I also realize that some may not know this is a poem written is at the base of the Statute of Liberty.
David Hare’s play for TV called “Page Eight”
This play(movie for tv) is showing on public tv stations in LA right now. It stars Rachel Weiss, Michael Gambon, Bill Nighy, Judy Davis.
It is a very well done film. The problem is with R. Weiss’s character who is from Syria. Her brother was killed by Israelis when he was standing with a white flag at his house and Israelis mowed the house down.
This is more Israel bashing.
With what’s going on in Syria today, there’s no need for David Hare to have put the Israelis at blame….how about the Syrian government. The play is also anti-American, but I don’t mind that as much.
What could be done about this ? Anything at all ?
The following article by Joseph Massad appeared on Al-Jazeerah English on 27 October 2011:
It contains vicious but clever lies about Israel. Since Al-Jazeerah English has a wide audience, these lies need to be exposed.
Letter-mail sent to Guardian.co.uk:
Mrs Orr definitively is a twice a piece of shit, she is a bad person, she forgets that british were in Palestina killing people (jews) and UK was allied of arabs.
Is she from Mars planet ? Why I have to read such nazi person in your newspaper ? are all british nazis or only your “pasquin”.
Best regards from Chile
Sending this slide show to friends is only preaching to the choir. I have a blog – In it, I write about numerous subjects, but the violence against Israel is often written about. Although, I realize that I’m not reaching many, there’s a greater potential of reaching people who forward the links.
Could you help us — show us how / make it easy to put this presentation on our own blogs?
I live in a city where, 2 – 7 women, stand on a corner every Monday for 1/2 hour with signs and supposedly promote “PEACE”, but the truth is, the city is extremely progressive / leftist, and regarding the middle east, they support the Palestinian Authority, the Flotilla, etc, but people don’t know it.
When people in the community talk to these women throughout the week, and realize they’re a member of this group, they hear the lies from these women – members of “WOMEN IN BLACK”.
I decided to stand across the street with a sign 4′ x 3′ – “WOMEN IN BLACK SUPPORT TERRORISM”. You wouldn’t believe the obscene gestures toward me. I’ve decided to add the words (above my sign) “RE: THE MIDDLE EAST”.
Still, these women are respected and that needs to change. They refuse to spend any time talking as they are solidly leftists and won’t consider that they might be wrong.
If you can help us across the U.S. to put this up on our blogs, it might help us to reach more people …. Thanks.
Mahmoud Abbas’ speech at the UN – The Big Palestinian Lies
Israelian army killing Palastenian and Libanese kids with internationally forbidden wepons, for some stones !!!!
I shan’t be responding to you any more, after your outrageous and unacceptable reference to Hitler. I presume this website is moderated so HR should be ashamed for allowing it.
John, please, do not be disgusting again. Do not manipulate, and do not play the game of “offended” when many of your post were very offensive, in an elegant way proper of you, of course.
Just ask the question made to you. That´s all.
And, by the way, HR allowed you all the things you have said. Why are you claiming things that you didn´t offer? Your attitude is becoming ridiculous.
Just learn to argument. That´s all.
I forgot to say that the word “rubbish” you used to qualify the arguments I exposed to you, yes, indeed, was offensive to me.
But, by understanding the behaviour underlying the unique word that came to your mind and made to wrote that, is comprehensible. By using “rubbish” seems you became with no arguments, and your national pride was wounded with the reality of facts that largely were persistently covered.
And, in fact, I should be the offended, and I should address that your posts must be moderated by the website managers (because of your disrepectful answer that equals to garbage an exposition that tried to bring to light things you don´t want to deal with), but I´m not doing that. In fact, I won´t do that. I told you the reasons before.
So then, let´s show a more mature attitude, and let´s go on with the dialogue. Can you?
I apologize to this forum for my very poor English, but I make mistakes.
John, regarding to the first answer I gave to you due to your last post, I meant instead of “Just ask the question made to you…”, the statement “Just respond the question made to you. That´s all”.
The rest of my words remain exactly the same, in spite of more mistakes found.
THIS GUY BRADFORD IS AN ANTISEMITE. FORGET ABOUT HIM. HE’S NOT WORTH I THE TROUBLE.
What do you mean: That an antisemite, can never change his mind? I Beleive that Mr. JB is NOT an antisemite, because I read his written anouncement that he is not anti-semite.
But then, even if he is moderately so, why should I give up on him? He sounds sometimes honnest and a thiking person. He does not always pay attension, nor he tends to answer to the questions of grave importance, and rarely he sets back from attacking attacking attacjing, but he is agood person. He sound curious about Jewish life, and is sorry about what others have done. He has his own facts of Life! Are they developed enoght to cope with realities of life in front of his Nations eyes? We will see
I stop the sequence regarding to the usage of bomb by Britain in this point. There is a lot of information of very well documented studies about the issue, with a few made by Brits like the two Englishman journalists with whom I opened the sequence. Any person interested can dig and collect information about the topic.
Why I made this?
What I don´t like, is the one side focus over Israel, as if the rest of the government´s countries involved in the region were innocent lambs that have done no evil in the present or the past, and all the guilt is put over, and only over, Israel. That´s not fair. If one thing is true, is that Israel (in view of past events where he was harshly condemned by the world), takes all the measures to avoid civilian casualties. After many bitter lessons, this is one, among many, of the great virtues of the Israel Defense Forces, IDF. Defects, indeed they have, and a lot, but this only aspect, makes the IDF a very conscious army in the world. The path to reach this level has been plenty of troubles and pain.
As you said before John, Ariel Sharon was responsible for the massacre in Qibya, and almost 30 years after he was charged as one of the responsibles in Sabra and Shatila. And due to this lessons, and the strong antisemitism throughout the world, Israel must walk and take every step with very great care. But, as I said before, is highly remarkable that Israel recognizes his mistakes, and make efforts to correct them. And is higly remarkable that the Hama massacre in Syria on February 1982 (15 000-40 000 civilians killed directly by the leadership) almost did not receive the coverage by the media as they did with Sabra and Shatila in September of the same year (460 from an excerpt from the Kahan report through 3500 accordingly to Amnon Kapeliouk reporting for Le Monde Diplomatique. I took this from the public source Wikipedia)
Balance is required to ponder facts. Balance, not bias. Why Israel is always condemned, and others happily pass through? That´s not fair at all.
I know Israel is making very great efforts to proceede in accordance to the right of peoples in avoiding any damage to any person, when as a consequence of attacks over unarmed civilians by trained Palestinians in war.
By examining thoroughly the news without bias, is very easy to see that Israel do not attack Palestinians unless this people carry out a destructive action over israelis, always civilians. Only when this happens, Israel has to take measures to protect his citizens, and to retaliate when civilians with no weapons die at hands of trained palestinians in guerrilla tactics and almost all kind of weaponry. Or when a small number of palestinians slaughter a family, as happened with the Fogels. No reason can be found in these actions, other than hate to Jews, to carry out such despicable actions.
These are few reasons why I made this very short exposition about those who eagerly accuse Israel, but try to hide their heads in the ground af if this merely would covert the huge amount of terrible actions made by them in the past.
Or even the present.
Does Israel recognizes his mistakes when terrible things are made? Yes, they do.
Does Britain recognizes his mistakes when terrible things are made? In answering this, I want to recall a paragraph that says: «According to Dodge, the high command feared that the British public would discover exactly how they were ruling Iraq.»
Fears to be discovered.
Watching this currently in the Brits, I fear the answer is no. Still.
Whenever anyone wants you to prove your baseless propaganda, you of course flank away and close up by saying “rubbish”. I assume that such a man of supernatural knowledge can do better than “rubbish”. It only needs you to be a little more knowledgeable Most honest people try that. You can try!?? NO? …
As of your question “Jews can live wherever they like in the world (which they can), but Palestinians can’t?”
1) ) As of rights of “Palestinians”: You yourself have been telling us for long, that there live “Palestinians” in Israel (that wrongly you label “Palestine”). So your provocative question seems out of place.
Of course, Palestinians, as individual can live anywhere, except when they develop illusion as if the ownership is theirs! Humans usually do not want forging people around them.
(2) As of right of Jews: The same As Palestinians. As individuals they can and should be let to live anywhere. But, look what you and your dearest friend Mr. Abu-Abass, The President of “Palestine” have declared: that the Land Be CLEAN from Jews! (It sounds like what a relative you both, a big brother with small moustache used to say just about 70 years ago)
You have demanded that … those stealing the country should be forced out… You weren’t referring to those “Palestinians” who are trying to steal the land of Israel from the Jewish Nation, her Lawful Owner? Were you?
PALESTINIAN AUTOCITIES during past 120 years
Please be informed that it is not an easy article to read.
For facts and figures, the curious reader is referred to honest reports in honest News Media during Past 120 years. If you need assistant please refer to your National News Media. They must have at least a partial list of these Palestinian Atrocities.
Humanistic convention: When one person (not been in danger, no base of self-defense), offends and takes the life of another, the offender is a KILLER.
Many individual Palestinians have offended and killed people not on the basis of self defense. Thus, they should be considered as KILLERS.
Humanistic convention: When the offender creeps in your house when you are asleep and takes the lives of your children or yours, then the creeper is a BRUTAL KILLER
Many individual Palestinians have creped into houses and killed (not on the basis of self defense) people at their sleep. Thus, they should be considered as BRUTAL KILLERS.
Humanistic convention: When the offender creeps in your society and takes lives of many, then the creeper is a MASS MURDERER
Many individual Palestinians have creped into cities and killed (not on the basis of self defense) tens of people and injuring tens more. Thus they should be considered as MASS MURDERERS.
Humanistic convention: When a mob of offenders, attacks one person and kills him cooperatively, it is an act of LYNCH.
Many individual Palestinians have collectively taken hostages and killed (not on the basis of self defense). Thus, they ALL should be considered as LYNCH MAKERS (COOPERATIVE MURDERERS).
Humanistic convention: When a killer out of choice, tortures the victim, stubs him tens of times, cuts his throat, cuts his head off, butchers the victims body into peaces, makes sure to kill the victim even when he is totally out of power, or burns him, this is ATROCITY
Many individual Palestinians have out of choice, tortured the victim, stubbed him tens of times, cut his throat, cut his head off, butchered the victims body into peaces, have made sure to kill the victim even when he is totally out of power, or have burned him (not on the basis of self defense). Thus, they should be considered as WRST MURTHERS BASED ON THEIR ATROCIOS ACTS.
Arthur Harris is mentioned several times in this previous writings. Here´s a note about him, amongst the many. I decided to choose this one because of the valuable study about moral actions: we´d rather to point toward one responsible, meanwhile we eagerly cover our own actions. I mean: Israel is now the worth to point toward due to the media fashion, but no the very those who feel pleasure in making accusations and whose governments in the past did terrible things (and perhaps still in the present).
Arthur Travers Harris (1892-1984), known as “Bomber Harris,” was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Air Force Bomber Command in February 1942. He was the mastermind of the indiscriminate area bombing of German cities from 1942 to 1945, during which time over 850,000 tons of bombs were dropped on German cities by the RAF at night. It has been estimated that 600,000 German civilians were killed in the bombing raids planned by Harris.
Harris began with Lübeck, a picturesque Baltic port of no military importance. On March 28, 1942, about 400 tons of bombs were dropped on the city, two-thirds of them being incendiaries. The aiming point was the heart of the old town, with its densely packed, half-timbered medieval housing. 3,400 buildings were damaged or destroyed, and over a thousand people were killed. This was followed in April by similar attacks on Essen, Hamburg, Duisburg, Dortmund, and Rostock.
It was after the devastating attack on Rostock (like Lübeck, a town with many medieval, half-timbered buildings) that the Germans began using the word Terrorangriff (terror raid) to describe the RAF attacks, and began to evacuate their children to the countryside. From July 24 to August 3, 1943, in a series of raids which Harris named “Operation Gomorrah,” nearly eight thousand tons of bombs were dropped on the city of Hamburg, half of them being incendiaries. On the night of July 27 the fires grew so intense that the updraft of hot air pulled them together into a great vortex, creating winds of up to 155 miles an hour. Burning cars and uprooted trees tumbled through the streets, and even the asphalt pavement burst into flames as the air temperature reached 1800° Fahrenheit. Fifty thousand people died in this inferno. The Germans called it a Feuersturm (fire-storm).
By the end of 1944 many German cities had been repeatedly and massively bombed, sometimes by more than a thousand planes in one night, all carrying incendiaries and directed against the residential areas, trying to reproduce the fire-storm of Hamburg. These attacks culminated in the infamous raid on Dresden on the night of February 13, 1945 (called “Operation Thunderclap”) in which over 130,000 people were killed. Among the dead were thousands of children who had been brought back into the city that night for the Shrove Tuesday festival. Dressed in carnival costumes, their bodies were heaped in great numbers at the train stations where they had been brought to meet their parents.
During all this time the British government told its people that only military and industrial facilities were being targeted in Germany, but in reality Harris (who by this time was being called “Butcher Harris” by RAF airmen) resisted every attempt to transfer resources from his area bombing of cities to more precise attacks upon military and industrial targets. After the war, when the true nature of this bombing became known, Harris was publicly villified as a war criminal, and in disgrace he left the country to reside for a time in South Africa, but he returned with impunity to England in 1953. He never expressed remorse, and he was never officially called to account for his actions. It seems clear now that, despite the efforts of many military men and politicians to distance themselves from what had happened, Harris had pursued his policy of civilian bombing with the knowledge and encouragement of the wartime Chiefs of Staff and of Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
After his death, the Royal Air Force erected a bronze statue of Harris outside the RAF chapel in London (St. Clement Danes church). The statue was pelted with paint and refuse by protestors, and had to be put under 24-hour guard.
Did really Churchill approve the use of this weapon?
Winston Churchill’s Secret Poison Gas Memo
[stamp] PRIME MINISTER’S PERSONAL MINUTE
[stamp, pen] Serial No. D. 217/4
[Seal of Prime Minister]
10 Downing Street, Whitehall [gothic script]
GENERAL ISMAY FOR C.O.S. COMMITTEE [underlined]
1. I want you to think very seriously over this question of poison gas. I would not use it unless it could be shown either that (a) it was life or death for us, or (b) that it would shorten the war by a year.
2. It is absurd to consider morality on this topic when everybody used it in the last war without a word of complaint from the moralists or the Church. On the other hand, in the last war bombing of open cities was regarded as forbidden. Now everybody does it as a matter of course. It is simply a question of fashion changing as she does between long and short skirts for women.
3. I want a cold-blooded calculation made as to how it would pay us to use poison gas, by which I mean principally mustard. We will want to gain more ground in Normandy so as not to be cooped up in a small area. We could probably deliver 20 tons to their 1 and for the sake of the 1 they would bring their bomber aircraft into the area against our superiority, thus paying a heavy toll.
4. Why have the Germans not used it? Not certainly out of moral scruples or affection for us. They have not used it because it does not pay them. The greatest temptation ever offered to them was the beaches of Normandy. This they could have drenched with gas greatly to the hindrance of the troops. That they thought about it is certain and that they prepared against our use of gas is also certain. But they only reason they have not used it against us is that they fear the retaliation. What is to their detriment is to our advantage.
5. Although one sees how unpleasant it is to receive poison gas attacks, from which nearly everyone recovers, it is useless to protest that an equal amount of H. E. will not inflict greater casualties and sufferings on troops and civilians. One really must not be bound within silly conventions of the mind whether they be those that ruled in the last war or those in reverse which rule in this.
6. If the bombardment of London became a serious nuisance and great rockets with far-reaching and devastating effect fell on many centres of Government and labour, I should be prepared to do [underline] anything [stop underline] that would hit the enemy in a murderous place. I may certainly have to ask you to support me in using poison gas. We could drench the cities of the Ruhr and many other cities in Germany in such a way that most of the population would be requiring constant medical attention. We could stop all work at the flying bomb starting points. I do not see why we should have the disadvantages of being the gentleman while they have all the advantages of being the cad. There are times when this may be so but not now.
7. I quite agree that it may be several weeks or even months before I shall ask you to drench Germany with poison gas, and if we do it, let us do it one hundred per cent. In the meanwhile, I want the matter studied in cold blood by sensible people and not by that particular set of psalm-singing uniformed defeatists which one runs across now here now there. Pray address yourself to this. It is a big thing and can only be discarded for a big reason. I shall of course have to square Uncle Joe and the President; but you need not bring this into your calculations at the present time. Just try to find out what it is like on its merits.
[signed] Winston Churchill [initials]
Source: photographic copy of original 4 page memo, in Guenther W. Gellermann, “Der Krieg, der nicht stattfand”, Bernard & Graefe Verlag, 1986, pp. 249-251
Let´s go on examining the references.
What was the use of this weapons made by Britain?
«..In his 1976 study, Britain in Iraq, Sluglett quotes Member of Parliament Leopold Amery as saying, “If the writ of King Faisal runs effectively through his kingdom, it is entirely due to the British airplanes.”
Yet, as [Toby] Dodge points out, the airplane quickly demonstrated its limits, in large part because it depended on raw power and fear rather than on legitimate authority. The British used night bombing and incendiary explosives to destroy villages around Samawah in 1923 as a means of forcing the population to surrender its rifles and submit. While the destruction of six villages and the killing of 100 men, women and children terrified the peasants, they simply dispersed from the area and took their rifles with them. The Royal Air Force high command considered following the fleeing Iraqis, but concluded that further bombing would only be a slaughter. According to Dodge, the high command feared that the British public would discover exactly how they were ruling Iraq. ‘
Indeed, Sir Arthur Harris, who planned large numbers of British bombing raids in Iraq in the 1920s, went on to become the architect of the fire-bombing of Dresden during World War II, which killed at least 25,000…»
Note the part: «According to Dodge, the high command feared that the British public would discover exactly how they were ruling Iraq.» This is exactly the basement of British foreign policy: they fear the reactions among the British citizens about how they conduct issues, but they don´t fear to carry out all those actions, if they are completely covered from the British public and the world. Double moral, that in some ocassions, have led to very big shames to the prime minister, as with the Crabb incident when Khrushev visited Eden at Downing, or when Blair couldn´t stand for the non existence of mass destruction weapons in Iraq. Shames for England due to the double moral foreign policy, that create a very troubled base for ruling every issue, and no moral authority at all even in the smallest issue.
Is highly remarkable that Israel makes this kind of honest and plain recognition, but I ask myself if Britain does the same. Until now, the answer is no. In this aspect, there are several reasons to deal with. But, let´s see Britain involvement.
What was the role of Britain in the region?
«…An uprising of more than 100,000 armed tribesmen against the British occupation swept through Iraq in the summer of 1920. In went the RAF. It flew missions totalling 4,008 hours, dropped 97 tons of bombs and fired 183,861 rounds for the loss of nine men killed, seven wounded and 11 aircraft destroyed behind rebel lines. The rebellion was thwarted, with nearly 9,000 Iraqis killed. Even so, concern was expressed in Westminster: the operation had cost more than the entire British-funded Arab rising against the Ottoman Empire in 1917-18.
The RAF was vindicated as British military expenditure in Iraq fell from £23m in 1921 to less than £4m five years later. This was despite the fact that the number of bombing raids increased after 1923 when Squadron Leader Arthur Harris – the future hammer of Hamburg and Dresden, whose statue stands in Fleet Street in London today – took command of 45 Squadron. Adding bomb-racks to Vickers Vernon troop car riers, Harris more or less invented the heavy bomber as well as night “terror” raids. Harris did not use gas himself – though the RAF had employed mustard gas against Bolshevik troops in 1919, while the army had gassed Iraqi rebels in 1920 “with excellent moral effect”.
Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used “against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment”. He dismissed objections as “unreasonable”. “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ [to] spread a lively terror _” In today’s terms, “the Arab” needed to be shocked and awed. A good gassing might well do the job.
Conventional raids, however, proved to be an effective deterrent. They brought Sheikh Mahmoud, the most persistent of Kurdish rebels, to heel, at little cost. Writing in 1921, Wing Commander J A Chamier suggested that the best way to demoralise local people was to concentrate bombing on the “most inaccessible village of the most prominent tribe which it is desired to punish. All available aircraft must be collected the attack with bombs and machine guns must be relentless and unremitting and carried on continuously by day and night, on houses, inhabitants, crops and cattle.”
“The Arab and Kurd now know”, reported Squadron Leader Harris after several such raids, “what real bombing means within 45 minutes a full-sized village can be practically wiped out, and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured, by four or five machines which offer them no real target, no opportunity for glory as warriors, no effective means of escape.”
In his memoir of the crushing of the 1920 Iraqi uprising, Lieutenant-General Sir Aylmer L Haldane, quotes his own orders for the punishment of any Iraqi found in possession of weapons “with the utmost severity”: “The village where he resides will be destroyed _ pressure will be brought on the inhabitants by cutting off water power the area being cleared of the necessaries of life”. He added the warning: “Burning a village properly takes a long time, an hour or more according to size”…»
Let´s see this other reference:
«…Rebellion against British rule broke out in July 1920. The causes were diverse…The centre of the revolt was the middle Euphrates. By the time British rule was restored in 1921, some 2000 British soldiers and 8000 Iraqis had been killed or wounded…
Arthur “Bomber” Harris, who was to lead the bomber offensive against Germany 20 years later, did not conceal the fact that he aimed at civilian targets.
Harris said in 1924 that he had taught Iraqis “that within 45 minutes a full-sized village can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or wounded”.
Some other British leaders were equally blood-thirsty. After the revolt of 1920, TE Lawrence – Lawrence of Arabia – wrote to the London Observer to say: “It is odd that we do not use poison gas on these occasions.”…»
A quotation on a Churchill photograph say: « I´m strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes»
Yes, Israel used them.
There´s an article apeared at Haaretz and reveals, in fact that Israel used phosphorous bombs in the last war.
The link is as follows:
The article opens with the words:
« Israel has acknowledged for the first time that it attacked Hezbollah targets during the second Lebanon war with phosphorus shells. White phosphorus causes very painful and often lethal chemical burns to those hit by it, and until recently Israel maintained that it only uses such bombs to mark targets or territory…»
By tracing the evolution of this armament, the journalist explained that «…Phosphorus has been used by armies since World War I. During World War II and Vietnam the U.S. and British armies made extensive use of phosphorus. During recent decades the tendency has been to ban the use of phosphorus munitions against any target, civilian or military, because of the severity of the injuries that the substance causes…»
I want to follow this thread:
When did Britain used phosphorous bombs? (obviously, many governments did, but let´s deal with Britain)
This is one reference to this issue:
«The British Army introduced the first factory-built WP grenades in late 1916. During World War II, white phosphorus mortar bombs, shells, rockets and grenades were used extensively by American, Commonwealth, and, to a lesser extent, Japanese forces, in both smoke-generating and antipersonnel roles. The British military also used white phosphorus bombs against Kurdish villagers and Al-Habbaniyah in Al-Anbar province during the Great Iraqi Revolution of 1920…Incendiary bombs were used extensively by the German, British and U.S. air forces against civilian populations and targets of military significance in civilian areas, including London, Hamburg, and Dresden…»
Who ever started he bombing of cities? History is written by the victors so we learn about the Confederate States of Americas mistreatment of prisoners of war (POWs) at Andersonville but for the life of me I don’t recall the names of any Union POW camps… So who started it all?
White Phospherous is not against any laws signed by Israel, Great Britton or The United States and was used during the battle of Falugia in 2004. It’s used to draw fighters out of protected positions where normal heavy explosives (HE) is ineffective. It creates smoke, adds chaos and intensity of action against the enemy. So, the shame is; it is part of modern warfare.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we had learned the lesson from Torah” where is Abel your brother?”. I suppose he used one of those little stones mentioned in an earlier comment criticizing IDF for defending themselves from rocks hurled at them.
One state for the Jewish people, Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River as described by G-d where all peaceable souls can live, study, and pray