To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
One might continue to ask: How did the photographer, at that scene in Hebron, knew
• what to search for?
• How long to remain there?
• At what stage start to make the photography?
• … Especially one can add:
• What parts of the scene have been NOT photographed? And how much of that has been edited, cut out, ignored, and changed?
You, of course can become irritated by these questions, ignore them and let my comments go unread, un-answered.
But I do believe that these are some key questions to pave any type of way to investigate your honest request.
Can you, Gloria, imagine, what is the philosophy of Is
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
Can you, Gloria, imagine, what is the philosophy of Islam, behind throwing STONES, at members of other religions?
Can you answer why those “Ruthless Youngsters” throw stone only on “others”, and not at their “own” Moslems?
Will you kindly, ask yourself, if the phenomenon of “Stoning” foreigners is so common within the Moslem “Shabab” (= restless youngsters) and children, who is responsible for it (Fathers? Mothers? Imams? Educational system? Value system? Mass Media? Writers? …) Who?
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
Let me share with you some of my conjectures, based on my personal experience, and some other people whom I have asked, during my past several decades of life:
• The wholly book of their religion, compares Jews (and Christians, as they are perceived in Islamic Studies as a late brunch of Jews) with Apes, Monkeys, Pigs, and of course, see them as SATAN (devil).
• All non-Moslems, even in their own homelands, are labeled as “FOREIGNORS”, and as such are perceived to be “SINFULL” and impure, which must be chased away.
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
• So it is not an accident, nor a new phenomena to label America as the “Big SATAN”, and Israel as the “Small SATAN”.
• At Moslem Hajj, in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, the pilgrims are obliged to STONE the SATAN, by circling the Black Stone of Kaabe, and throwing stone inward to the center. They believe that by throwing stone they expel the devil.
• During past 1,300 years, Many “Akhund”s and even “Imam”s, have adopted to call “foreigners” evils, devils, traitors, spies, etc. etc. whose punishment is humiliation, torture, stoning, beheading, and torching. Millions of “foreigners” have so far been expelled as refugees.
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
• Not only Millions of “foreigners” have so far been expelled as refugees from the Moslem world, but millions have been slaughtered.
• In their Fundamentalist Mosques, almost everywhere, they do preach for such inhuman treatment, not only towards infidels (pagans), but also against the founders of Monotheism, the “Beholders of Devine Books”: Jews, Christians, and Zoroaster’s.
• May fundamentalist Adults, encourage their young children to attack verbally and physically, “foreigners”. They achieve several goals
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
• By encouraging the “Restless Youngsters” to Stone “foreignors” they gain several goals:
o They fulfill their Religious duty, to humiliate non-Moslems
o They wait for reaction. If you, the foreigner, go away without any reaction, then they praise themselves for expelling the devil. If, on the other hand, you dare to react, then they have good excuses to blame you as assaulting Islam, and cooperate to kill you (lynch).
o By this practice, they train their next generation, to actually gain practice and experience in carrying out the wholly war of Jihad:
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
o For Jihad, the youngsters need to learn: How to dare, how to overcome shame and fear, how to take position, how to plan attack and refuge, how to gain military power and leadership. Very soon, these children become excellent Gorilla Warriors.
o All of those thousands of Moslem Terror organizations, spread over the whole world, are flourishing by this type of in-house training. Did you ever know that?
o Nowadays, by this type of education and filming, they hope to rage a new form of war (Media Jihad).
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
Once I read, a saying: “Nobody has ever measured how many accidents have been prevented, due to high velocities”. Weird as it may sound, in some sense it is true…
Would you, dear Gloria, agree to join in, and say: “Nobody has ever measured, how many Palestinian films have been shot, in the hope to blame Israelis, but never found any violence, thus never published!?”
How many favors have the Israeli Arabs and Moslems have been granted by Jews in Israel, or outside, during these 200 years. In Health, Agriculture, Sciences, Technology, Democracy, etc. Have they ever mentioned any? No Gratitude. All critic.
Israel is our religious,historical and national land. Global anti-Semitism is personified by not one country recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Israel should give notice to all who have diplomatic relations with it,unless you move your Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, Israel shall move its embassy from their capitals to another city! Watch and weep! Every Wednesday New York Time 10;00am & 6:00PM GO TO bcat.tv when it populates click on “BCAT TV network’. When new page opens scroll to channel 2, and click on arrow in black box, and click beneath it,’watch now.’ On Thursday 12:00 PM, go to mnn.org ,when it populates go to number 4,click beneath it, ‘watch now’.
Regarding exact details of JUDAISMairings: Every Thursday 12:00 noon,New York Time, go to mnn.org when it populates on top half ,go to number 4 and click beneath it ‘watch now’. In addition, Every Wednesday New York Time go to bcat.tv, after it populates , click on small window “BCAT TV network” Next page opens, scroll to channel 2, and click on arrow in black box.
Honest Reporting’s comments section has gone the way of that section in so many media including The Jerusalem Post.
It has become a soapbox for people who in their own minds must be heard and are willing to monopolize the comments section of a particular medium.
Their multiple and usually lengthy battles with other soapbox orators degrades the medium which they are abusing and abuses those who want information about a particular subject.
The blatherskites have become epidemic because the moderators of the afflicted media are failing to do their jobs.
Why not limit the posting in any thread to three letters per person and if they get vulgar cut them out completely.
I totally disagree with you- Yes sure there are those who like to hear their own voice or see their name in print- Those with really nothing to say are soon filtered in ones own mind and disregarded.
But free speech should mean just that-
First you soon become aware of their agenda. Then, regardless of language you can determine their intelligence or whether they are just prejudiced liars.
And as long as one has the opportunity to counter any allegation which is spurious then all is fair in “Love and War”.
When freedom turns destructive it becomes anarchy.
Those back and forth, back and forth, tennis ball letters destroy the original intent of a particular thread and, ultimately, if left unchecked and unmoderated, will destroy the very medium that carries them. They do nothing but give voice to over inflated egos who do nothing at all to address the subject matter of a thread.
As long as one keeps their cool- You simply ignore them- they become a bore and you stop reading them- I wonder how many follow such a to and fro conversation that leads no where-
Anarchy ! “1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.”
1- That happens when a country goes into disarray-
2- In most governments -
3-I often wonder whether the political world is at that stage now!
However I shall now end otherwise this to and fro will become one of those conversations that you you call a “Soap Box” – for philosophy!
These are the first lines from the only report I could find on the terror attack in Bulgaria in the Melbourne Age, by Ruth Pollard:
“Israel has threatened to “settle the account” with those responsible for an attack that left at least six people dead and dozens wounded, most of them Israeli tourists…..”
She then describes the responses of Netanyahu, Ehud Barak, and Hillary Clinton. Only then, does she give a description of the events of the attack.
Instead of focusing on the fact that innocent people, holidaymakers, were murdered, for being Israelis, the article starts with bringing up the image of the vengeful, blood-thirsty Jews.
Please, Cema dont take it to heart-
This “Old Fart” is an oldtime Soviet supporter- he hates America as much as Israel- Never forgiven Israel for befriending the US instead of the USSR-
He even has said that the attack on Osama bin-Laden in Pakistan never took place and bin-Laden died in 2001-
He just never says how he knows this-
Same camp as Finklestien and Chompsky- So dont lose any sleep- he should die very soon!
Every day that we fail to “get the message out clear and loud” more killings will occur on both sides. Yes, Palestinian Arabs suffered losses, but their losses have only been multiplied and prolonged for generations by the relentless Arab League itself. A greater number of Arab Jews who had lived in the Arab world far longer and suffered far greater losses in expropriated lands, homes, and businesses but we NEVER hear about them. That’s one of the essential differences between the Arab and Jewish mentality: an obsession with honor. Israel could have created camps for the Arab Jewish Mizrahim and insisted on UNRWA aid and the humiliation of its refugees, but they are now half of Israel.
The Islamic concept of honour is so far removed from the Judeo/Christian concept that even speaking of it is completely futile.
One can not appeal to an honour that does not exist and that is incomprehensible to those being addressed.
Islamic honour consists of people/individuals dominating, ruling and making life or death decisions over others. That “rule” extends from the head of a country or religion (Islam) all the way down to the tribal leaders and, indeed, the family members and its head, the father.
Islamic honour considers anything done by or said by its founder, that murderous, lying, pedophiliac Mohammed and by his later interpreters, to be honourable and acceptable.
It’s just that every time they, as a group or as individuals, lose face, their vindictive rage expresses itself in generally subversive and unproductive ways that are savagely cruel and only beget more unrelenting savagery from others. The cyclic of violence and the everlasting enmity that it invokes makes any extended peace unlikely. A poor, uneducated man has nothing but his pride, his honor for himself, his family and his tribe. How do you deal with him as required by modern societies? So far, in most cases, you just can’t. And certainly, outsiders or colonialists are suspect now more than ever. It’s not necessarily hopeless, but requires boldly new thinking and solutions.
Jay Marcus
11:02 pm
Jul 08, 2012
I happened to have seen this posted to Youtube and the moment I saw it, I knew it was drivel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq1LK2qMwLA&feature=player_embedded
It’s five parts and gets things severely incorrect.
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Avi
12:36 am
Jul 09, 2012
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
One might continue to ask: How did the photographer, at that scene in Hebron, knew
• what to search for?
• How long to remain there?
• At what stage start to make the photography?
• … Especially one can add:
• What parts of the scene have been NOT photographed? And how much of that has been edited, cut out, ignored, and changed?
You, of course can become irritated by these questions, ignore them and let my comments go unread, un-answered.
But I do believe that these are some key questions to pave any type of way to investigate your honest request.
Can you, Gloria, imagine, what is the philosophy of Is
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Avi
12:41 am
Jul 09, 2012
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
Can you, Gloria, imagine, what is the philosophy of Islam, behind throwing STONES, at members of other religions?
Can you answer why those “Ruthless Youngsters” throw stone only on “others”, and not at their “own” Moslems?
Will you kindly, ask yourself, if the phenomenon of “Stoning” foreigners is so common within the Moslem “Shabab” (= restless youngsters) and children, who is responsible for it (Fathers? Mothers? Imams? Educational system? Value system? Mass Media? Writers? …) Who?
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Avi
12:44 am
Jul 09, 2012
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
Let me share with you some of my conjectures, based on my personal experience, and some other people whom I have asked, during my past several decades of life:
• The wholly book of their religion, compares Jews (and Christians, as they are perceived in Islamic Studies as a late brunch of Jews) with Apes, Monkeys, Pigs, and of course, see them as SATAN (devil).
• All non-Moslems, even in their own homelands, are labeled as “FOREIGNORS”, and as such are perceived to be “SINFULL” and impure, which must be chased away.
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0 
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Avi
12:47 am
Jul 09, 2012
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
• So it is not an accident, nor a new phenomena to label America as the “Big SATAN”, and Israel as the “Small SATAN”.
• At Moslem Hajj, in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, the pilgrims are obliged to STONE the SATAN, by circling the Black Stone of Kaabe, and throwing stone inward to the center. They believe that by throwing stone they expel the devil.
• During past 1,300 years, Many “Akhund”s and even “Imam”s, have adopted to call “foreigners” evils, devils, traitors, spies, etc. etc. whose punishment is humiliation, torture, stoning, beheading, and torching. Millions of “foreigners” have so far been expelled as refugees.
Agree or Disagree:
0 
0
Avi
12:53 am
Jul 09, 2012
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
• Not only Millions of “foreigners” have so far been expelled as refugees from the Moslem world, but millions have been slaughtered.
• In their Fundamentalist Mosques, almost everywhere, they do preach for such inhuman treatment, not only towards infidels (pagans), but also against the founders of Monotheism, the “Beholders of Devine Books”: Jews, Christians, and Zoroaster’s.
• May fundamentalist Adults, encourage their young children to attack verbally and physically, “foreigners”. They achieve several goals
Agree or Disagree:
0 
0
Avi
12:59 am
Jul 09, 2012
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
• By encouraging the “Restless Youngsters” to Stone “foreignors” they gain several goals:
o They fulfill their Religious duty, to humiliate non-Moslems
o They wait for reaction. If you, the foreigner, go away without any reaction, then they praise themselves for expelling the devil. If, on the other hand, you dare to react, then they have good excuses to blame you as assaulting Islam, and cooperate to kill you (lynch).
o By this practice, they train their next generation, to actually gain practice and experience in carrying out the wholly war of Jihad:
Agree or Disagree:
0 
0
Avi
1:03 am
Jul 09, 2012
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
o For Jihad, the youngsters need to learn: How to dare, how to overcome shame and fear, how to take position, how to plan attack and refuge, how to gain military power and leadership. Very soon, these children become excellent Gorilla Warriors.
o All of those thousands of Moslem Terror organizations, spread over the whole world, are flourishing by this type of in-house training. Did you ever know that?
o Nowadays, by this type of education and filming, they hope to rage a new form of war (Media Jihad).
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0 
0
Avi
1:11 am
Jul 09, 2012
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
The Media Jihad is the War over the Image in Media and International Public Relations.
In the ME it is carried forcefully against: The “Small Satan” (Israel the sole Jewish State), and
In other parts of the world, it is carried out firmly against: The “Big Satan” (USA, as the leading power of the Christians).
So, dear Gloria. Let us ask, together, again: What is the truth behind the scene?
Are all “documentary films” indeed, honestly, DOCUMENTARY? From the beginning to the end? Are they all “innocent” as they want us to believe?
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Avi
1:23 am
Jul 09, 2012
To Gloria Lenon, HR, 2012–07–08
“I need to know if this is true or not”
Once I read, a saying: “Nobody has ever measured how many accidents have been prevented, due to high velocities”. Weird as it may sound, in some sense it is true…
Would you, dear Gloria, agree to join in, and say: “Nobody has ever measured, how many Palestinian films have been shot, in the hope to blame Israelis, but never found any violence, thus never published!?”
How many favors have the Israeli Arabs and Moslems have been granted by Jews in Israel, or outside, during these 200 years. In Health, Agriculture, Sciences, Technology, Democracy, etc. Have they ever mentioned any? No Gratitude. All critic.
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rabbim.friedman
8:47 pm
Jul 11, 2012
Israel is our religious,historical and national land. Global anti-Semitism is personified by not one country recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Israel should give notice to all who have diplomatic relations with it,unless you move your Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, Israel shall move its embassy from their capitals to another city! Watch and weep! Every Wednesday New York Time 10;00am & 6:00PM GO TO bcat.tv when it populates click on “BCAT TV network’. When new page opens scroll to channel 2, and click on arrow in black box, and click beneath it,’watch now.’ On Thursday 12:00 PM, go to mnn.org ,when it populates go to number 4,click beneath it, ‘watch now’.
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rabbim.friedman
8:49 pm
Jul 11, 2012
RE; WEDNESDAY SHOW, THERE IS NO ‘WATCH NOW.’ LOL
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rabbi m friedman
6:14 pm
Jul 20, 2012
Regarding exact details of JUDAISMairings: Every Thursday 12:00 noon,New York Time, go to mnn.org when it populates on top half ,go to number 4 and click beneath it ‘watch now’. In addition, Every Wednesday New York Time go to bcat.tv, after it populates , click on small window “BCAT TV network” Next page opens, scroll to channel 2, and click on arrow in black box.
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Mickey Oberman
7:16 am
Jul 21, 2012
?????
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Mickey Oberman
9:53 pm
Jul 11, 2012
Honest Reporting’s comments section has gone the way of that section in so many media including The Jerusalem Post.
It has become a soapbox for people who in their own minds must be heard and are willing to monopolize the comments section of a particular medium.
Their multiple and usually lengthy battles with other soapbox orators degrades the medium which they are abusing and abuses those who want information about a particular subject.
The blatherskites have become epidemic because the moderators of the afflicted media are failing to do their jobs.
Why not limit the posting in any thread to three letters per person and if they get vulgar cut them out completely.
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steve mann
11:04 am
Jul 12, 2012
I totally disagree with you- Yes sure there are those who like to hear their own voice or see their name in print- Those with really nothing to say are soon filtered in ones own mind and disregarded.
But free speech should mean just that-
First you soon become aware of their agenda. Then, regardless of language you can determine their intelligence or whether they are just prejudiced liars.
And as long as one has the opportunity to counter any allegation which is spurious then all is fair in “Love and War”.
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Mickey Oberman
4:16 pm
Jul 12, 2012
Steve,
When freedom turns destructive it becomes anarchy.
Those back and forth, back and forth, tennis ball letters destroy the original intent of a particular thread and, ultimately, if left unchecked and unmoderated, will destroy the very medium that carries them. They do nothing but give voice to over inflated egos who do nothing at all to address the subject matter of a thread.
Unlimited freedom is anarchy.
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steve mann
6:33 pm
Jul 12, 2012
As long as one keeps their cool- You simply ignore them- they become a bore and you stop reading them- I wonder how many follow such a to and fro conversation that leads no where-
Anarchy ! “1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.”
1- That happens when a country goes into disarray-
2- In most governments -
3-I often wonder whether the political world is at that stage now!
However I shall now end otherwise this to and fro will become one of those conversations that you you call a “Soap Box” – for philosophy!
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Mickey Oberman
7:04 pm
Jul 12, 2012
“However I shall now end otherwise this to and fro will become one of those conversations that you you call a “Soap Box” – for philosophy!”
Agreed.
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Seth Abrahams
11:16 am
Jul 13, 2012
Neo-Nazi aided Palestinian perpetrators of 1972 Munich massacre, report says
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/neo-nazi-aided-palestinian-perpetrators-of-1972-munich-massacre-report-says.premium-1.436875
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rivka
6:52 am
Jul 18, 2012
are you aware of this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/countries/palestine
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Inessa
7:19 am
Jul 19, 2012
These are the first lines from the only report I could find on the terror attack in Bulgaria in the Melbourne Age, by Ruth Pollard:
“Israel has threatened to “settle the account” with those responsible for an attack that left at least six people dead and dozens wounded, most of them Israeli tourists…..”
She then describes the responses of Netanyahu, Ehud Barak, and Hillary Clinton. Only then, does she give a description of the events of the attack.
Instead of focusing on the fact that innocent people, holidaymakers, were murdered, for being Israelis, the article starts with bringing up the image of the vengeful, blood-thirsty Jews.
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Cema
5:22 pm
Jul 20, 2012
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/07/20/18717893.php
Please, can you read this? This wen paper is telling Israel is behind Bulgaria attack. Ican not handle this. Thanks
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steve mann
5:29 pm
Jul 20, 2012
Please, Cema dont take it to heart-
This “Old Fart” is an oldtime Soviet supporter- he hates America as much as Israel- Never forgiven Israel for befriending the US instead of the USSR-
He even has said that the attack on Osama bin-Laden in Pakistan never took place and bin-Laden died in 2001-
He just never says how he knows this-
Same camp as Finklestien and Chompsky- So dont lose any sleep- he should die very soon!
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M.Otero
4:57 am
Jul 21, 2012
Every day that we fail to “get the message out clear and loud” more killings will occur on both sides. Yes, Palestinian Arabs suffered losses, but their losses have only been multiplied and prolonged for generations by the relentless Arab League itself. A greater number of Arab Jews who had lived in the Arab world far longer and suffered far greater losses in expropriated lands, homes, and businesses but we NEVER hear about them. That’s one of the essential differences between the Arab and Jewish mentality: an obsession with honor. Israel could have created camps for the Arab Jewish Mizrahim and insisted on UNRWA aid and the humiliation of its refugees, but they are now half of Israel.
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Mickey Oberman
5:00 am
Jul 22, 2012
M. Otero,
The Islamic concept of honour is so far removed from the Judeo/Christian concept that even speaking of it is completely futile.
One can not appeal to an honour that does not exist and that is incomprehensible to those being addressed.
Islamic honour consists of people/individuals dominating, ruling and making life or death decisions over others. That “rule” extends from the head of a country or religion (Islam) all the way down to the tribal leaders and, indeed, the family members and its head, the father.
Islamic honour considers anything done by or said by its founder, that murderous, lying, pedophiliac Mohammed and by his later interpreters, to be honourable and acceptable.
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M.Otero
8:05 am
Jul 22, 2012
It’s just that every time they, as a group or as individuals, lose face, their vindictive rage expresses itself in generally subversive and unproductive ways that are savagely cruel and only beget more unrelenting savagery from others. The cyclic of violence and the everlasting enmity that it invokes makes any extended peace unlikely. A poor, uneducated man has nothing but his pride, his honor for himself, his family and his tribe. How do you deal with him as required by modern societies? So far, in most cases, you just can’t. And certainly, outsiders or colonialists are suspect now more than ever. It’s not necessarily hopeless, but requires boldly new thinking and solutions.
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