Weekly Question: Should Israel apologize to Turkey to renew relations between the two states?
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August 4, 2011
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jacob t. chachkes, m.d.
9:51 pm
Aug 05, 2011
How do we get these opinions to gain traction in the general media???
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Peter Rice
2:49 am
Aug 06, 2011
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Steve Mann
11:51 am
Aug 06, 2011
Dear Peter-
A good will gesture would be for Turkey to recognise that the men who died on that “Not an aid ship but a political one” where from a terrorist support group- as you and Turkey were fully aware.
Israel has “Eaten enough humble pie”- Has given much only to her detriment-
You apologise when you know you are in the wrong- Not when you are in the right!
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Henry Federman
3:51 am
Aug 06, 2011
To Peter Rice,I don’t think you understand the situation, if Israel apologized to Turkey it would not change the situation, Turkey is going too Islamist with accord with Iran and if they apologized they would use that a tool of propaganda and tell the Arab world that Israel is guilty of murder.Sorry to disappoint you but you are not being realistic.
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Ron Thompson
3:54 am
Aug 06, 2011
It’s the other way round. An apology should have been demanded from Turkey. I don’t recall that anyone from Israel or the United States or Europe demanded or suggested that.
But this would only be part of a far larger struggle to ‘move the goal posts’ back to a rational discusssion of the Israeli-Palestinian situation.
The plight of the Palestinians is real enough, but it is 95-99% their own fault, or that of their
leaders.
If israel is to be criticized for anything, it is for being intellectually passive for so many years while the ‘goal posts’ were successfully moved by the Arabs and all their fellow travelers from sane terms of discusssion of what has been going on for the last 37 (Rabat, Morocco 1974 anointing of Arafat) to 44 years (the Six-day war of course) Ron Thompson.
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Martin Vesole
9:16 am
Aug 06, 2011
I agree with you about the Palestinians Ron. I think Israel should consider annexing the West Bank and make it part of Israel, and that way head off next month’s scheduled UN vote recognizing a Palestinian state.
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jacob t. chachkes, m.d.
5:20 pm
Aug 06, 2011
Peter Rice includes a key word, “might”as reaction of Australian Turks. They “might” also see any version of apology as vindication of Turkey, or “might” sees it as weakness\fear by Israel, etc. And what of the Israeli supporters, of which Australia has many? And what would you suggest Israel should have done about the blockade busters? Diplomacy that you suggest sounds too much like Munich, IMHO!!
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jp6
12:58 am
Aug 07, 2011
No way. TUrkey was complicit – actively involved in sending the flotilla which was anything but a ‘peaceful’ undertaking. That some of their citizens, in the act of attacking Israeli, died is not Israeli’s fault. Turkey should never have been the country instigating this voyage to supposedly deliver goods to Gaza. If that was indeed the purpose, why the armaments and cash on board? Turkey wants rapproachment on its terms because it fears Iran and the so-called Arab spring.
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Roger G. Bensman
8:21 pm
Aug 08, 2011
Why are we having this discussion? I think it is because of the way the conversation question was stated. The correct phrasing of the question of the week:
Turkey owes an abject apology to Israel for sponsoring the hateboats toward Israel, agree or disagree? Followon question: This apology needs to be demanded by Israel now, agree or disagree?
Then see what kind of reader fora answers you get and what will be the content. RB
To answer the question as originally stated: no.
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Barry Jones
4:40 am
Aug 09, 2011
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Steve Mann
10:25 am
Aug 09, 2011
BarryJones-
You obviously have no conception f the “Arab” mind-
If Israel were to apologise for no reason other than to satisfy a political whim. Then the remainder of the Arab world-(Knowing that Turkey is not an Arab State) will jump on this as a weakness.
This in turn will produce the attitude that every time Israel apologises it literally is admitting that it has done something wrong and then imagine the Western press.
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Richard
11:35 pm
Aug 09, 2011
Well, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion,however,you’ll never catch me asking the Germans for forgiveness for the deaths of Germans at the Warsaw Ghetto…ditto the Turks for the deaths caused to the morons on the flotilla.
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Steve Mann
11:42 am
Aug 10, 2011
So all the more reason for Turkey to refrain from asking Israel to apologise for knowing that she has nothing to apologise for.
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Henry Federman
4:51 am
Aug 09, 2011
Barry Jones,are you a Turkish agent?Your propaganda won’t help, you are surrounded 50 to one,give it up,it won’t work!
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Richard
11:37 pm
Aug 09, 2011
Oh common…let the jerk speak…lol
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Ken Maltz
5:04 pm
Aug 10, 2011
Israel should not apologize for protecting its people and territory from an armed incursion in defiance of a publicly announced and internationally recognized blockade. Turkey was openly complicit in aiding and abetting this provocation and any apology to Turkey by Israel would be nothing less than an act of self flagellation. I believe that Turkey’s leadership created this scenario for the purpose of fostering its image as a leader of the Islamic world.
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Tiger
6:19 pm
Aug 10, 2011
I think a conditional apology should be made. We (Israel) will apologise for the unfortunate deaths if you (Turkey) apologise for allowing the boats to set sail from your waters and not checking th true intentions of the flottila.
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Chaim
10:26 pm
Aug 10, 2011
Ho way. Unfortunate deaths is a direct result of a sinister actions Turkey was supporting. All blame belongs to perpetrators, there’s nothing to apologize for.
Hmm… On the second thought, why not make an apology for not torpedoing those ships right away and save the hassle for Israeli soldiers? No, not to Turkey, but to the People of Israel!
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sol
8:11 pm
Aug 10, 2011
i am for making a palistinian state for the arabs and since they love their people so much the state should be in iran,turkey,saudi arabia, egypt,jordan lebanon,yemen,syria,libia,denmark,london or any other place that loves them,but definaitely not ISRAEL! END OF STORY.
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G. Schinkel
7:50 am
Aug 11, 2011
Hello,
Yes, Israël should apologize. With one condition: Turkey should apologize too. Everybody knows what for.
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Steve Mann
9:10 am
Aug 11, 2011
What d you want Israel to apologise for-?
You apologise for doing something wrong- what did they do wrong?
Maybe they should apologise to themselves for not being better prepared for the brutality if the IHH members on board who would have killed the Israeli team given half the chance!
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Vivian Warshaw
8:02 pm
Aug 15, 2011
In the spirit of the High Holydays which are rapidly approaching, Israel should use the time-honored formula: “if I offended you in any way, I apologize, and I forgive you for any offense
you have given me.”
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Steve Mann
10:51 am
Aug 16, 2011
To Israel’s enemies that would be just a sign of weakness-
My philosophy is- Do unto others as they do to you.
When they kick your ar*se -kick theirs right back!
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Chaim
9:23 am
Aug 22, 2011
Steve, no my friend, that’s not enough. The formula has got to be:
“When they kick your ar*se -kick theirs with a sledgehammer!”
Peace through superior firepower that is.
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Peter Rice
8:31 am
Aug 22, 2011
My view is that it may be good policy to appologise if an oportunity arises. Particularly when you are talking about two closely linked trading partners. Little is known here that Israel and Turkey completed “an all time high” in their trade relations during 2010, The choice of trading partners is quite separate from the Israel-bashing that continues from her neighbours and much of the western world.(Ref. “Israel My Glory” July/August p12)
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Chaim
9:25 am
Aug 22, 2011
Peter, you’re either on an Erdogan’s payroll or on Obama’s.
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Peter Rice
8:33 am
Aug 22, 2011
See comment above
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Barbara Dagen
1:52 pm
Aug 24, 2011
Never!
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Steve Mann
6:41 pm
Aug 24, 2011
Peter haven`t you written this before- and a load of answers ensued- Sorry it was a Vivian Warshaw-
And I ask you what I asked her-
What do you want Israel to apologise for-?
You apologise for doing something wrong- what did they do wrong?
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Steve Mann
6:43 pm
Aug 24, 2011
And Peter please do not tell me- They killed 9 IHH personnel who were attacking them and attempting to kill the IDF soldiers.
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