They Don’t Like Us – Should We Care?
May 17, 2012 15:09 by Simon PloskerThis op-ed by Simon Plosker, HR’s Managing Editor, was originally published at The Times of Israel.
The latest annual Country Ratings Poll of the BBC World Service makes for grim reading. ThatIsrael finds itself in such dubious company as Iran, Pakistan and North Korea in this global popularity survey is shocking but unsurprising based on the results of previous years.
That unfavorable opinions of Israel have worsened since the 2011 survey should, however, be a cause for concern. The past year has thankfully not witnessed any events of the magnitude of the Mavi Marmara or Operation Cast Lead where Israel was the recipient of a torrent of negative coverage.
Yet, the proportion with negative views of Israel amongst those surveyed by the BBC poll increased by three points to the damning figure of 50%.
Should we care? Absolutely.
Canada, under the premiership of Stephen Harper is considered to be Israel’s best friend in the world at this present time, even more so than the US. Yet 59% of Canadians surveyed in the BBC poll harbor negative opinions of Israel. So evidently, it’s not the Canadian government that is affecting the Canadian public’s perceptions towards Israel.
Likewise, countries such as the UK and Germany that, while sometimes critical of Israeli policies, are still considered to be broadly supportive, show negative polling of 68% and 69% respectively.
If it’s not governments that are influencing public opinion on Israel, then the most obvious probability is that of negative or biased coverage of Israel in the media.
Israel’s enemies, including even terrorist organizations, recognized long ago that the modern battlefield is not only dependent on guns, tanks or aircraft but also on cameras and the written word.
Twenty-seven per cent of those with negative views of Israel answered that “how Israel treats its own people” was the most important factor for them. Israel is certainly not a police state which terrorizes its citizens. So how could the reality of Israel as a democratic society become so distorted?
The drip feed of stories of conflict or on Israel’s numerous imperfections is impossible to ignore while an incident such as that of IDF Lt. Col. Eisner striking a pro-Palestinian activist with his M16 only serves to reinforce this narrow perception of Israel.
Of course, in any democracy, it is the duty of the elected government to represent the will of the people. What will happen, then, if public opinion on Israel continues to be out of kilter with the opinions and policies of the political echelon? It doesn’t bear thinking about. If governments were genuinely representative of their publics, then Israel would be in severe trouble.
At what point will Israel become a political hot potato that no politician would dare express support for at the risk of alienating the voters?
BUTSeriously
1:36 am
May 21, 2012
“This BUTSeriously goof is totally obsessed with Balfour, Brits, Jordan, someone with the initials CC and dead ducks.”
Knock-knock. This dead duck keeps quacking with nitwit goofy maths – not in your radar: how many 2-states = a 2-state? How many species of Palestinians are there? What % of Christians are unaware what the Muslim agenda is? If carving off 80% of a tiny land is a ‘HISTORIC 2-STATE COMPROMISE” – able to promote another state – for the arparthieded Palestinians of course – what % is “NOT” a compromise?This dead duck keeps quaking, no?
I say every single Christian & Muslim know these answers more than they know Jesus or big Mo, peace and love is all you need, yet they continue pursuing it with an obsession. Illegal Jewish occupation of the Jewish motherland is touted more times than they do Jesus & Mo combined.
Liberty is a concept which was introduced to humanity 3,500 years ago in down town Goshen. And yes its the past dead duck which is able to quack in today’s media and sermons and madarassas. Why else is a 3-state a 2-state? I don’t think its doing any favor for Christians by forgetting about these dead ducks.
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BUTSeriously
1:50 am
May 21, 2012
“It is ahistorical and academically unsound of you to make that attribution positive. He is more likely not to have been a Jew. When you find a document in Genoa or elsewhere that shows his ancestry with absolute clarity, and the document is proved authentic”
Why is Jesus given a Latin name?
In medieval Europe every town had billboards listing all the vocations forbidden to Jews. Nothing was left out, so one would have to be braver than Moses, David and Herzl combined to show off about being a yid. By some quirk, money lending was not on the list. And Fagin and the UN Constitution was born. How dare I allocate this to the yids – its a dead duck!
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Denis MacEoin
3:27 am
May 21, 2012
BUTseriously. None of that is evidence for anything. You are making me angry, sticking your nose into debates you don’t have the skills to understand. I’m a former university lecturer in Arabic and Islamic Studies, and I have a PhD in Persian Studies. I know how to do history, you aren’t even an amateur. The further away you can stay from all this, the more favours you will do everyone.
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BUTSeriously
3:47 am
May 21, 2012
Denis. You know nothing about me, nor did you specify anything I said which is A-history. I challenge you to do so. I also challenge you about historical archives of History, including both modern, mid-ancient [Roman & Hebrew archives] and ancient history. Its difficult to respond to abstracts – its not historical. PHD is respected, but chess champs make poor war generals too.
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Denis MacEoin
4:14 am
May 21, 2012
@BUTSeriously: You are becoming embarrassing. You are like a child playing adult games. It’s obvious from your posts that you don’t have the experience, the education, the training to engage in the debate about the matters you bring up. I’m leaving it here. You aren’t worth the time or the effort.
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4:09 am
May 21, 2012
Ms MacEoin;
You wrote
“I don’t wish to seem rude, but those of us who do serious hasbara”
Are yu sure you do not mean ‘taqiyya’?
Out of curiosity, would you dispute that Jesus Christ was not only Jewish but a rabbi. I sure hope not. Oh dear, where are his papers proving it.
PS so nice of you to denigrate my profession. At least 2+2 =4 ALWAYS.
Your a bigot!
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BUTSeriously
2:09 am
May 21, 2012
Does any Christian or Jew understand that Britain is attacking and negating Christianity? Not only is the Pope silent, but all Christians are welcoming Britain’s attacks. One billion Muslims believe there was no Jewish temple, in effect saying the Gospels mentioning one Jesus visiting this temple is a Zionist myth. Jews are hardly impacted – they have prevailed w/o a temple for 2000 years. Can the Gospels?
NON-DEAD DUCK: It was Britain who sold out both Jews & Christians when it created Jordan – and it did so for 30 barrels of oil.
Its not a dead duck. I want to save Christianity – they are the only group that took on the Hebrew bible – they made this book a light unto the nations – even more revered than both the Gospels & Quran, even if by default. Its my duty to assist Christians, and never mind the conditions they took on this Hebrew bible. Point is they did. Today, there is no way Christianity can prevail unless the Balfour is restored. Look at Europe if in doubt. And I don’t care if Jordan is given to the Chinese – this is not about land, nor about saving the Judeo-Christian enterprise. Its only about saving Christianity and its no dead duck.
George Bush’s monumental error was going to the Afghan Hills instead of turning left where the terror factories are located. The 9/11 victims are screaming in their graves. Israel is a light unto the nations.
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BUTSeriously
3:11 am
May 21, 2012
Its not a dead duck.The thing still quacks loud today and its coming at you.
Hebron, not a settlement and legally open to Jews by treaty, is being barred to Jews today. A Muslim who legally sold a house to Jews is slated to have a death sentence. Jordan introduced this criminal law: Jordan says Jerusalem is occupied Islamic soil and changed the name of Samaria to ‘WEST BANK’ in 1960. History becomes a dead duck here – so does Christianity.
Now never mind about the nitwit Jews. But where does it leave Christianity? IOW, is there such a thing as Christianity if Hebron is an exclusively Islamic enclave and Jerusalem is Ul Quds? Will the NT people remove the OT book? Remember that Jordan destroyed 100′s of churches and synagogues when it illegally occupied Samaria – thanks to good old Britain’s dead duck corruption of the Balfour – a pledge made before the world, then flaunted with full immunity as we speak.
Dead duck – or a suicide bomb ticking away in our faces?
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4:28 am
May 21, 2012
Shomron and Judea is the heartland of the Jewish ppl. It’s criminal AND ludicrous that their right to that land is even up for debate. I say FULL SUPPORT for Israel and especially for those Jewish ppl that are back in their ancestral heartland and working their land, and look at what they have made of it. Simply amazing. Whoops, more reason to hate them, I know. The haters get crazy when they see Jewish success. I expect that from leftist and muslims but not Christians, who need to remember that if not for the Jewish nation there would never have been a Jesus NOR Christianity. Whoops another thing to thanks the Jews for and another reason to hate them I suppose.
You may find this vid interesting; quite long but I think worth watching. I watched it this afternoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTdKznTA9iY&feature=g-all-u
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BUTSeriously
3:50 am
May 21, 2012
“BUTseriously. None of that is evidence for anything”
Absolutely it is evident the corruption of the Balfour is a death knell for Christianity. I cited evidences. You did not respond in context.
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4:21 am
May 21, 2012
For ButSeriously …
Ya know what, Europe is quickly committing suicide with political correctness and pandering to islam which as we know, is no more than a misogynistic death cult. Should you be surprised at the pontifications of Maceoin (or should I say moHAMed).
The Brits have whimped out (just look at Londonistan). My English friends are appalled at the changes in the last 5 years and so am I. I was there and in Holland a few years back and it was shocking. Soon the entire continent will be, well you know the story.
Holland all but finished, Belgium down the toilet, France finito, Ireland done, England tata, Sweden lost. And the causalities are mounting. At least Germany is sort of hanging in there but not exactly perfect either.
The USA, under the “leadership” of an organ grinder monkey AND biggest failed experiment in affirmative action, it on it’s way to “exit stage left”. My concern is that what happens down there affects us up here. Thank God we have Steven Harper as our PM, AND a majority conservative government. I think I can proudly say that Canada is one of the biggest allies of Israel at this point.
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BUTSeriously
4:45 am
May 21, 2012
Europe is dying – and only Jews can help them. And we are obligated to do so – even if they are hellbent on destroying the Jewish state. The mad hatters took on the Hebrew bible – we have to save them. There is no one else to do so.
Jews helped before: America became the savior of Christianity – saving it from depraved medieval Europe. ow both need our help.
DON’T WORRY AMERICA AND EUROPE – ISRAEL IS BEHIND YOU.
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BUTSeriously
3:55 am
May 21, 2012
“I’m a former university lecturer in Arabic and Islamic Studies, and I have a PhD in Persian Studies. I know how to do history, you aren’t even an amateur. The further away you can stay from all this, the more favours you will do everyone.”
You mean Hebron should be barred to Jews and that this does not impact Christians – thanks to the negation of the Balfour? A Persian would dispute this – only an Iranian would back you here. Please put forth some Persian history to give any credence of your Arabic & Islamic studies. This enlightenment wil really be appreciated.
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Denis MacEoin
4:11 am
May 21, 2012
@BUTSeriously: I said quite clearly in an earlier post that I favoured Hebron being a Jewish town,but if you’d ever been there you would appreciate just how politically impossible it would be to drive out the Arabs and bring in Jews. It would start an intifada or a war. Perhaps that’s what you would like?
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m
4:33 am
May 21, 2012
Hey Mac
Let them start yet another arab/muslim tantrum intifarta. I say bring it on and then kick their filthy brown butts all the way to mecca where they come from (well some come from egypt too I suppose). Or better still, why don’t those pali bastards just go back to their own country of JORDAN. They should have an orgasm over it since it was once JEWISH LAND.
Isn’t it rich that arab hashemites are living on Jewish and which has been given a HEBREW name …LOL.
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BUTSeriously
4:32 am
May 21, 2012
“Perhaps that’s what you would like?”
If need be, yes, absolutely. Its criminal not to. I say, those who say YES to a 3-state – will not say NO to a 4-state. Nor will they blink about forsaking both Hebron and Jerusalem and justify with 100′s of media manipulations – there is precedent proof of this.
If you pursue the road you are advocating, bets are it will end up where it is pointing. A mad dog is chasing Christians and Jews with the limbs of our loved ones in its jaws. I believe your chess move is a check mate in the negative mode – first for Christianity [the greatsatan or the Sunday people] – then the secondary Jews.
Allow me to give you a small insight into history. The denial of the Jerusalem temple is an atrocity of unimaginable historical proportions: the Pre-Islamic Arabs were in the front rows of Titus’ legions as cheap paid mercenaries. Even the brutal warrior Titus was sickened by the Arabs – he called them savages and a disgrace to Rome – they were disemboweling Jewish corpses searching for gold shekels they suspected the Jews swallowed before being killed. The same A-rabs who deny this temple today. These same Arabs were also present when the name Palestinian was anointed on Judea – not any Islamic or Arab country – they know also that this name was applied specifically to Jews, not just the Jewish land. Nowif you hold that this is all past history – why are the Muslim Arabs themselves, not I, stretching history by recalling this past, dead history today?
The Islamic hatred does not come from the Quran: it is the Quran that comes from this pre-standing hatred.
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BUTSeriously
4:39 am
May 21, 2012
” I said quite clearly in an earlier post that I favoured Hebron being a Jewish town,”
Means nothing. Unless you strongly and actively reject a 3-state. Even to fight to the death for it. Otherwise you are fostering and endorsing a 4-state.
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BUTSeriously
4:50 am
May 21, 2012
“@BUTSeriously: You are becoming embarrassing.”
This I can understand. Why don’t you put your efforts in fostering a Coptic state in Egypt instead – or do I not understand history and becoming too embarrassing again? Just a slither of barre land – the Arabs won’t miss it.
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BUTSeriously
6:53 am
May 21, 2012
“That France does not teach its school students how it served up its Jewish citizens to slaughter by the Nazis”
Very foolish. Better they do teach their children how to serve up Jews for slaughter – but restore the Balfour. Its the same thing – only one is dressed up with a funny mask. Destroying Israel via serial 2-state demands at the UN is slaughtering all Jews. Its akin to not slaughtering all Hindus but negating their homeland to Muslims. Get real.
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BUTSeriously
7:08 am
May 21, 2012
“But I would not suggest that it is a current blueprint for the Jewish National Home.”
Yes it was and remains so.
“That opportunity was lost when the Jewish Agency accepted, in principle the UN vote in 1947.”
Incorrect. They Jews did not accept – they were overwhelmed and under extreme duress [not legal!] with no choices here: the crime of Trans-Jordan was already established at this time. Europe, Muslims and the UN had the choice facilities in this situation, and only they must be held as accountable of its flaunting.
Even the acceptance of this vote did not help. The division of two states in Palestine, when the Balfour allowed for ONLY ONE JEWISH STATE – is now flaunted again with a 3-state demand.
Britain should be included in the Nuremberg Trials for implementing the WHITE PAPER. At least the Nazis were honest about it. And no – I am not exaggerating the atrocity here.
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Robman
7:38 pm
May 21, 2012
Back to the topic of the article…
I don’t buy it. I mean the BBC poll, not the author’s suggested plan of action.
The BBC is nothing but a Saudi front. Our media in the U.S. is not far behind. Of course, they are going to construct the poll in order to make Israel look bad.
I have an Israeli friend who travels all over the world. No one gives him a hard time. No one.
The average Joe or Jane outside of Israel or her immediate neighorhood is not even thinking about Israel. They think about their jobs, familes, communities, and the problems facing their own countries. Only in the Saudi petrodollar whore journalistic community is “everything about Israel”. They’re paid for that. What do you expect? Smearing Israel is Job #1 for them; informing the public is a distant second.
I know this from experience. I’ve been involved in Israel advocacy at the grassroots level for more than a decade. I have fought pitched battles with the local media over Israel; they don’t care about their financial health, their circulation, and least of all, about informing the public. They care about promoting the agenda of their paymasters, which is to trash Israel and to promote Obama. As to their professional duty to inform the public, to hell with that.
Yes, we need to push back against media/PR bias against Israel. HR is doing a great job, along with other organizations (e.g., CAMERA). But we have to get at the roots of the problem, which is all the people in media and government that have literally sold out to the Islamist interests.
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m
9:44 pm
May 21, 2012
Interesting comment you left.
Pandering to islamic cry babies has been going on since WE discovered oil under their filthy islamic shit holes, exploited it and made those camel jockeys rich. Then we’ve home dependent on them. It’s like drugs addiction.
It will be interesting to see how things evolve now that Israel has discovered it’s own hydrocarbon reserves. Leviathan and not to forget the vats oil shales in the interior or little teeny oil LESS Israel. Not only will Israel be energy independent (or seemingly so), they will become an exporter. Can that be our methadone?
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BUTSeriously
4:44 am
May 22, 2012
“The BBC is nothing but a Saudi front. Our media in the U.S. is not far behind. Of course, they are going to construct the poll in order to make Israel look bad. ”
HR can surely conduct its own poll with “TRUTHFUL” [not fictional] questions:
On a scale of 1-10:
Rate the creation of 22 Islamic states to one Islamic family.
Rate if Britain’s crimes were the result of oil deals?
Rate the corruption of the Balfour Mandate.
Was carving off 80% of a tiny land a mark of genocide or a ‘HISTORIC 2-STATE COMPROMISE’?
How about the WHITE PAPER barring Jews fleeing the Holocaust from entering the 20% left?
Etc. etc.
Fact is these facts are fully known. There will be no back-up by Christians and Muslims – they have not inadvertently missed these factors. This is the sad reality of it. Its time to go East and let the truth set Israel free and let it bury the evil ones. The latter appears happening of itself to silent Europe. Keep far away from evil.
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Robman
2:42 pm
May 22, 2012
m:
Yes, but only if some of the proceeds of said hydrocarbon reserves are used to directly push back against what the Saudis & Friends are doing.
That means giving money to universities to establish “Israeli studies departments” that tell the truth about the Middle East. That means investing in media organizations that portray the medieval Arabs/Muslims as they really are – and Israel as she really is (in a positive sense, obviously). That means funding and establishing think-tanks in national capitals – first and foremost the U.S., but others as well – that can hire well-connected and top-notch former government officials who can counter what the Arabs are doing on the lobbying/policy analysis front.
That’s when it becomes “methadone”. It is going to be a long fight.
Our endgame: We wil know we’ve won when the Summer Olympics are held in Tel Aviv, and even the Arabs come to play without complaint. I’d like to shoot for 2048, modern Israel’s centennial. That’s my slogan for my Israel advocacy activities: Tel Aviv in ’48!
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4:39 pm
May 22, 2012
“That means investing in media organizations that portray the medieval Arabs/Muslims as they really are – and Israel as she really is (in a positive sense, obviously). That means funding and establishing think-tanks in national capitals – first and foremost the U.S., but others as well – that can hire well-connected and top-notch former government officials who can counter what the Arabs are doing on the lobbying/policy analysis front.”
Ya know, that is so obvious yet I had not considered that until you wrote it. So true. Then I ask myself, why wait,why has this to been done already? Definitely food for thought.
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BUTSeriously
4:59 am
May 22, 2012
Its going to be a bumpy ride ahead. The better Israel does or the worse her enemies do – the harder they will hit Israel. The 3-state demand will soon graduate to NO RIGHT TO EXIST, demanding Jerusalem be internationalized and how every breakdown is a Zionist plot. They have no way around this – they were initiated in Jew hatreds.
One suggestion is to use their own hatreds against them, because this is also a truth and fact facing Europe and Islam, and it has zilch to do with Israel. Push for a Coptic state in Egypt in the face of their 3-state demand in Israel! Push for a negation of the denial of the Temple [or, the Gospels!]. Push the Saudi fronted Clerics spewing Nazism with Non-Muslim, Non-Christian Asia. Push some Zionist Plots – use their own false charges against them. Boing to the EU & UN does not help.
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andrew o'shea
11:23 am
May 22, 2012
Man are you guys upset or what. I urge you to read the scriptures and seek God in these times as to what His word really says. There are definite verses dealing with Israel’s, idolatry, wickedness, disobedience, transgressions etc, yet, God says clearly He will restore His nation Israel and take back His land of Canaan, He also tells us that the ‘world’ will gather it’s armies against Israel and He, God, will save them. It is time to pray, trust, believe and have faith that God will perform His word regardless of what people do. This is evident in His saving Noah in the beginning, and now He will save Israel and ALL who believe and OBEY in the days of FIRE. I am grateful that He called me and saved me from the grave, blessed be the Lord God of Israel who is able to do exceedingly and abundantly more than men and who declares, nothing is impossible with God, woe to His enemies for they shall enter into utter darkness and destruction and will perish. Those who trust in Him shall enter into His rest, amen
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BUTSeriously
11:37 am
May 22, 2012
“I urge you to read the scriptures and seek God in these times as to what His word really says. ”
Surely great generosity was given to Israel and Jews when the big picture is considered. However, none of the great Prophets were deficient when it came to speaking their minds.
Abraham responded concerning the proposed destruction of Sodom: ‘WILL THE JUDGE OF ALL JUDGE TAKE THE INNOCENT WITH THE GUILTY – THIS EVIL BE FAR AWAY FROM YOU”. Abraham was blessed.
Moses challenged, saying “Remove me from your Torah if that is how you decide concerning Israel.” Moses passed his test.
When a crises hit, as when 400 chariots cornered Israel by the sea cliff, Moses began to pray. He was told, this is no time to pray – its a time for action!
The Torah says, ALL MAY APPROACH IN TRUTH. And the truth is that Britain committed great, grievous crimes which Israel and the world is still paying for – and the worst is yet to come. It is Britain which must do the praying – why blame Israel? Britain is hardly repentant, even as Britainistan is happening, nor is a single Christian seen fronting up of Britain’s crimes against Israel.
THE CORRUPTION OF THE BALFOUR IS THE GREATEST POST-W.W.II CRIME OF ALL.
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5:59 pm
May 22, 2012
““That means investing in media organizations that portray the medieval Arabs/Muslims as they really are – and Israel as she really is (in a positive sense, obviously).”
The problem Israel faces is that Europe and the world at large know what is going on very well and need no such education. Israel’s situation is that Europe in fact fosters the Arab Muslims against her: we see this with 60 years at the UN and today in Europe’s media and rising antisemitism when the reverse should be the case. Israel has been saying ‘yes sir’ to every demand and still comes out as the bad guy. Its a double whammy. One only has to see the atrocities of the BBC to know this.
Israel’s very existence is an affront to the beliefs of two religions, and these factors over ride all politics and national interests. While there appears no way out for Israel as well as European Christianity & Islam here, the fact is that both those religions are mutually exclusive of each other’s reasons for being anti-Israel: this is the factor which will serve the best dividends – keep the at each other, because that is what Europe is doing with Israel and Islam. Israel must high light the denial of the Jewish temple – Christians have to attend to this or have their own Gospels negated.
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6:59 pm
May 22, 2012
“The problem Israel faces is that Europe and the world at large know what is going on very well and need no such education. Israel’s situation is that Europe in fact fosters the Arab Muslims against her: we see this with 60 years at the UN and today in Europe’s media and rising antisemitism when the reverse should be the case. Israel has been saying ‘yes sir’ to every demand and still comes out as the bad guy. Its a double whammy. One only has to see the atrocities of the BBC to know this.”
And you are right as well. And I’m the first today that it mattes little what Israel does or does not do, they continue to be vilified. However, the fact remains that Israel does NOT have a strong presence in American or European universities desire having plenty of Israeli or Jewish professors. I don’t thin it would hurt for Israel AND her supporters tp invest at least some time and energy into the universities just as the filthy islamic garbage does. They would only need a modicum to kick the arabs to the curb as we all know Israelis and Jews do everything better than those camel jockeys could ever dream. In fact the arab lobby in itself is weak and divided despite it’s numbers. The ones that have enabled those slices of excrement are none other than the collective West; yep your and me. WE have pandered to that misogynistic death cult and to arabs to the point of our own society’s suicide. WE need to silence the stinking left before they do us ALL in.
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7:04 pm
May 22, 2012
My fucking computer wants to change what I type so let me have another go at it, this time with the words I WANT.
“The problem Israel faces is that Europe and the world at large know what is going on very well and need no such education. Israel’s situation is that Europe in fact fosters the Arab Muslims against her: we see this with 60 years at the UN and today in Europe’s media and rising antisemitism when the reverse should be the case. Israel has been saying ‘yes sir’ to every demand and still comes out as the bad guy. Its a double whammy. One only has to see the atrocities of the BBC to know this.”
And you are right as well. And I’m the first TO SAY that it MATTERS little what Israel does or does not do, they continue to be vilified. However, the fact remains that Israel does NOT have a strong presence in American or European universities DESPITE having plenty of Israeli or Jewish professors. I don’t THINK it would hurt for Israel AND her supporters TO invest at least some time and energy into the universities just as the filthy islamic garbage does.
They would only need a modicum to kick the arabs to the curb as we all know Israelis and Jews do everything better than those camel jockeys could ever dream. In fact the arab lobby in itself is weak and divided despite it’s numbers. The ones that have enabled those slices of excrement are none other than the collective West; yep your and me. WE have pandered to that misogynistic death cult and to arabs to the point of our own society’s suicide. WE need to silence the stinking LEFT before they do us ALL in.
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BUTSeriously
4:10 am
May 23, 2012
“However, the fact remains that Israel does NOT have a strong presence in American or European universities ”
False. When this fact sinks in, we get closer to the real situation. Americans and Europeans know loads & loads about Jews, Israel and Muslims. Jews & Israel are central to their beliefs & religions, they cannot pray without implicating Jews. Israel is adjacent to Jesus & Mohammed to them as the counter piece. If a Muslim chants Jews are Nazis, there is an immediate inherent concurrence with Christians: they see Jews as flogging their Lord. This even when both of them have totally mutually exclusive beliefs and charges of Jews. Such is the insanity embedded in the two biggest religions. There is no difference between Jews are Lord killers than Prophet killers, nor of anyone who does not accept Jesus is doomed and those not accepting Mohammed are a blessing to kill.
Such are the horrific facts on the table. So what can a Jew say to either of them that that will make any difference? Can we tell them Jews are not beady eyed monsters reveling in the death of their Lord – do they even wish to hear such stuff? Muslims are exploiting 1000′s of years of European Christian antisemitism. Its a double whammy, or Jokers to the left and clowns to the right. Whichever way a Jew turns he becomes the bad guy, and worse if he is neutral and remains a Jew.
While it is true the new generation is bombarded by Saudi paid Jew hatred and a distorted history, the parents of those youth know too well what is going on, so do the priests in their churches. There is no counter other than to turn their hatreds against themselves and move far away from the explosion. Let the Christians deal with a mythical Jewish temple their Gospels declares, and let them deal with 9/11 and the London and Madrid bombings as Zionist plots. These are the issues which Jews must use – they must protest with such slogans that pit Christians against Muslims, rather than try to show how right and good Jews and Israel are. The latter does not work. All the Hasbara videos of ews being the best and theirs is the true God of all Gods only works against us: imagine a Hindu or any other religion with such a premise: would we happily support them?
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7:35 pm
May 23, 2012
What I meant was that compared to filthy muslim/arab based “organizations” like CAIR etc, the Jewish front hasn’t as much. Look at the sheer numbers alone.
OTOH, Jews have brains and should be able to do WAY MORE with WAY LESS than any arab pandering cesspool org.
Just look at HR alone. I tis small but has a fair impact OI would thing but it’s not a university based thing. What Jewish people, Israel, and their supporters need is a university presence that compares to that of the left and I just don’t see it. Mind you I am no expert on the subject.
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BUTSeriously
1:42 am
May 24, 2012
Pres. Bush did nothing to Saudi Arabia & Egypt over 9/11, and this should tell us why nothing is done over the Saudi payola to universities and why those terror regimes are still called as allies. Israel has to use her mind power differently.
Israel is the tiny mouse a tiny hole in the ground – one which cannot be seen on a map w/o multi-zooming. She is faced with two king kongs on a tree beating their chests how they will smash her to oblivion for occupying a hole on the earth. But if the mouse makes the king kong to face each other instead, she will find the king kongs are standing on a twig that is shaking violently. The mouse only has to retreat into her hole when the two king kongs fall with a might thud. But Israel is not making the king kongs face each other – instead she is forever deflecting the arrows each of them is hurling at her. Its a losing strategy that actually makes it worse by empowering the king kongs and weakening Israel.
The world is facing chaos and insanity and it has nothing to do with Israel, occupation of land or invented Palestinians. Its to do with two king kongs who are insane drunk with their own mutually exclusive distortions of history, geography, math & science – and they want to keep it that way. Israel is the problem. If in doubt, check their history or any other nation they invaded and genocided – check out India, the natives of Australia and the Americas. Check out why and how America came into being by escaping medieval Europe and forming the U.S. Constitution – based exclusively on the Hebrew laws.
Israel has the sordid task of being a light unto the nations – there is no one else who can perform this feat. Its a tough job and all of humanity depends on a mouse trapped in a tiny hole.
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m
10:02 pm
May 22, 2012
OK, I just watched this vid about UK anti Jewish/Israel sentiments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wICn0Si3PrE&feature=g-all-u
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Len Rome
4:55 pm
May 23, 2012
Media pressure in support of Israel by American Jews is not sufficiently designed or funded
to be effective. Pro arab/muslim anti Israel media rant is very well designed and strategically
widespread; Repetition of the well worn “outrageous lie” is effective for the pan-arabists but media pressure in support of Israel funding to provide at least a blunting parallell to arabist
investment is absent.
The design, funding and repetitive distribution of pro-Israel propagada will unite silent American Jewry and that will amplify the anti-arab investments.
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5:03 pm
May 23, 2012
:American Jews is not sufficiently designed or funded
to be effective.”
I doubt there will be funding issues for promoting a 2-state in Egypt – a historic compromise, one for the Egyptian Muslim Arabs – and a small one for the Egyptian Christian Coptics. The Christian sectors will support such a drive. It also gives a good platform for putting Israel’s case in the front line.
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2:09 am
May 24, 2012
The two king kongs are bubbling over in their own pot of insanity:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/iran-discovery-will-collapse-christianity/
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Robman
3:02 am
May 24, 2012
The problem is that for many years, Israeli leaders assumed that “the truth will out” and people will naturally see through the obvious Arab/Moslem lies and aburdities. Then, when it became clear that the truth would not always be so obvious, they believed that all they had to do was state the obvious once in a while, and people would say, “Ah hah! Of course Israel is in the right!”, and they wouldn’t have to say anything further.
But the Bad Guys correctly calculated that by taking advantage of greed, cowardice, and latent anti-Semitism in the West, they could in turn bribe, intimidate, and brainwash ignorant Westerners in key positions so that they could be made to accept and repeat that 2+2=5. After a while, if that is all anyone hears, they will come to believe it. And, even if they don’t believe it, they will at least be confused into apathy.
We have the important advantage of NOT having to convince people that 2+2=5. We only have to REMIND people that 2+2=4, a far easier task. It works better in some places than others; America is better because of our pragmatism and historically demonstrated sense of fair play. It is really amazing, in spite of the constant media barrage, how a majority of Americans still support Israel versus the Palestinians.
Europe is another story. They are polluted with bloody-minded romanticism and practically genetically encoded anti-Semitism. They have lost all sense of reason, for the most part, it seems.
If Obama is re-elected, I believe Israel will have little choice but to look east, and align with China at the expense of the U.S. That path holds many risks as well, but at least Asians – apart from Moslem countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia – tend not to be anti-Semites at all. China and Korea have great respect for the Jews; a Korean classmate in college once told me that Koreans call themselves “the Jews of Asia” due to their history of persecution by other Asians (Japan, China), and their toughness and resourcefulness. South Korea has great potential as an ally of Israel, and can form a bridge between China and Israel.
I don’t expect Obama to be re-elected, however. Barring a third party run by Ron Paul that would fracture the GOP vote, or a successful strike on Iran by Obama – neither of which I consider likely at this point – Romney will almost certainly be in office a year from now. And U.S. policy will return to something resembling sanity.
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m
4:19 am
May 24, 2012
Good Lord, it’s a breath of fresh air to read a sane comment. You have restored my faith that there still are those out there that have not totally lost their marbles.
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4:56 am
May 24, 2012
“Romney will almost certainly be in office a year from now. And U.S. policy will return to something resembling sanity.”
All your stuff is spot on. But Israel cannot chance it – much poison has seeped into America’s new generation and her position now is weak, making Israel’s position prone to fluctuations. America points to greater dependency with those hellbent of both Israel and her own demise, and there is no sign of altering this equation. The big far picture is the Islamic regimes set up by Britain have to go and at least 10 non-Islamic states replace them. This is not negotiable.
Bush played the wrong card by not confronting Saudi Arabia with 9/11 – he had to take over that state or eliminate it: 9/11 was far graver crime than Pearl Harbor.The result of this monumental error caused 100′s of Bin Laden dolls to pop up, trillions of dollars lost, America’s youth & Institutions poisoned by Saudi money and many more lives lost. It caused America loss of prestige, absence of detante and super power status. The Islamic regimes are illegal and will cause havoc in the future. Peace and Regimes are a contradiction and a death knell to Israel and America. Its time for little less conversation and a mot more action please.
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9:34 am
May 24, 2012
Its like a war of the worlds with what is going on with Iran and the Vatican. Over 10,0000 Christian bibles have been burnt in Iran with claims Christianity is a false religion. This is after a copy of Barnabus text was found. Fact is, both Islam’s scripture and the Barnabus are most plausibly retrospective writings with no proof otherwise. A cherished lie has overtaken the disdained truth.
As I stated, the world’s real issue is between Christianity and Islam, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel, Jews or Judaism which predates them by 2000 and 2500 years respectively. How long can two mutually exclusive premises pretend so that the two king kongs will not face each other? They will of course implicate Jews [aka Zionists], which is t be expected. Israel need only hide away and let them battle it out till the dust settles.
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