Weekly Question: What will it mean if the UN declares support for an independent Palestinian state?
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April 13, 2011
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Henry Federman
10:39 pm
Apr 13, 2011
It won’t mean anything,because the UN cannot dictate borders or recognize a government
If the PA wants to be legitimate they have to deal with Israel to define borders. Polls show that 1/3 of Palestinians do not want to recognize Israel,can Israel make peace with the other 2/3? As of today they want to borrow 5 billions$ to keep going,is the west stupid enough to
give it to them,maybe yes,it won’t help because they would have to come back for more,they
can’t sustain themselves. Let the UN recognize them and let them support them, they can’t live without Israel!
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BH
11:22 pm
Apr 13, 2011
So let me see if I have this right. The combined nations of the world vs. the tiny state of Israel. Ooops forgot something. The tiny state of Israel plus God. I don’t know about everyone else but I’m putting my money on Israel. Not really a fair fight.
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JAKE
11:26 pm
Apr 13, 2011
A newly recognized Palestinian can only lead to confusion greater than exists now. Which country or group of countries is going to tell ISRAEL where the new borders start or end.
The entire problem is one without a solution.
Nobody has yet devised a way where a cripple can attempt to throw a brick at a healthy person without the cripple paying dearly. In any other setting persons like the Palestinians would receive no sympathy whatsoever. Only because they are throwing the bricks at the JEWS are they permitted to do so with impunity too much of the time. Whether it be the P.A.. Hamas, al-aksa brigade or any other, they are all the same.
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Dieter Doneit-Henderson
5:07 am
Apr 14, 2011
It will mean that Israel loses yet MORE land, which was historically OURS, not that of the Palestinians!
We know that they won’t simply give the land back which is ours, nor is the Sinai Peninsula and Israeli’s gift of it to Egypt get ANY recognition for the fact that Israel gave its own historical lands to Egypt to end hostilities.
What are we to do now? Migrate out of Israel and re-locate all over the world as so many empires have forced us to do over the last 4,000 years? FORGET IT! We WILL NOT!
Never Again! Long live the Israeli Promised Land
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Carole
5:04 pm
Apr 14, 2011
It is God`s land and He gave in to the jews as an everlasting covenant, in fact much more than they have at present!
It is just incurring the wrath of God by giving away more land!
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Steve Mann
11:21 am
Apr 14, 2011
It means that there will then be 58 Muslim countries, with yet another to have written unto its criminal justice system – punishments of-
Stoning of women for adultery- execution of homosexuals by hanging- the death penalty for heresy, apostasy and blasphemy. The amputation of limbs for lesser crimes and as far as Hamas are concerned- The penalty of crucifixion for Christians assisting Israeli`s.
Is this what the “Humanitarian” countries in the UN are voting for!
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Michael Dar
11:25 am
Apr 14, 2011
Since the Arabs and the Fakestinians seem to get away with virtually everything in our nowedays decadent and morally bankrupt world, that “state’ will be born after all and anyway, be put in incubator and on international life-support. They may even perhaps get 2 states one in Jewish Judea and Samaria and the other in Gaza! Temporary solution until the Jewish state of Israel come to disappear. The reasons are simple! First, as I always maintained is that the world didn’t really wanted a Jewish state from the very beginning, the Arabs have the oil, blackmails the (morally ill) western industrial nations at will and the world at large is still overwhelming anti-Semitic. We have the historic, spiritual, moral and legal rights as well as rock-solid arguments but lack the “leadership” to stand up and fight for them against all ods.
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Ismael Gomberoff
2:11 pm
Apr 14, 2011
yes you are right, the world would like Israel and the Jews to dissapear, this is all a lie,no to a Palestinian State, send them all were they should be JORDAN that is really the Palestine they seek, if Arabs want to stay in Israel must abide by Israeli laws the rest is truly irrelevant
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Matt, London, UK
1:41 pm
Apr 14, 2011
Any two-state solution must be on Israel’s terms. Anything else is a capitulation to terrorism, which will cost the free world dearly.
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saul aptekar
2:31 pm
Apr 14, 2011
To suport a unilateral decision from one side of the negotiatiating party will lead a bad precedent in the world, UN should under no terms interfere in an on going dialogue but push both the sides to sit and chalk the course of action. But since majority of the nations feel Israel is the oppressor, hence they will go ahead and take this wrong step of giving recognition to a faceless / stateless nation built on the principles of terrorism and hatred against the Jews and Israel. Israel should make all efforts to improve its PR image in the world. I strongly believe Israel will survive, with or without the support of the world but only with the blessings of Hashem.
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m
4:59 pm
Apr 14, 2011
How is Israel supposed to “improve” it’s “image”? The only thing that will make the haters and Israel deniers happy is the utter destruction of Israel, the humiliations of Jews worldwide, and then their systematic annihilation.
Israel has been THE biggest humiliation to the surrounding arab losers. The arabs have tried to gang up and destroy Israel; it is on the agenda of every single terrorist run shit hole. The fact that teeny Israel has kicked arab ass around the block every time, INFURIATES the islamic world.
Just look at what Israel does to help the world time and again. It is well documented. Just check out YT for one source. They even provide aid to their God damn enemies. Do they get ANY credit at all? What about all the medical care they give worldwide; Haiti, Turkey Japan etc etc. What about all the kids from all over that go to Israel for open heart surgeries (free of charge). What about all the rescue missions during natural disasters? What about the fact that the Israelis have literally gone to search for, and rescue Darfurians, bring them to Israel, and protecting them (including muslims!!)?
How much more are they supposed to do?
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Carole
5:11 pm
Apr 14, 2011
Thankyou for bringing out the truth about the wonderful things Israelis do for the world!
This needs to be said more often, instead of demonizing them we should all be praisung them for what they do against all odds!
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Loretta
8:22 pm
Apr 14, 2011
The courage to stand up and do what is right and kind in the face of such hate is admirable and there are still people who see this.
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Nathan Zafran
2:39 pm
Apr 14, 2011
Until this day the so-called Palestinians have received 18 billion US dollars in aid with commitments for an additional four billion. This is more aid than any country in the world has received, including the hungry and starving two billion people in this world. Yet they haven’t been able until now to pull their act together. These funds are still unaccounted for. The Gaza strip is run by the Hamas terrorists and a myriad of smaller, yet worse, terrorist organisations. It’s no secret that if Israel were to abandon Samaria and Judea, as demanded, the place would fall like ripe fruit to the Hamas. Now along comes the corrupt and distorted UN and declare that the Palestinians are ripe to establish their state. Many South American countries have already recognised “Palestine” in the 1967 borders, even though they have no control over these territories. The UN is poised to do the same in September 2011 and Fayeed is attempting to raise five billion dollars “to help the establishment of the new state”. If this wasn’t so serious it would be hilarious. How exactly does one declare a state in what is now a crazy circus?
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saul aptekar
6:28 pm
Apr 14, 2011
The Palestinians’ steady march toward unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state at the United Nations in September is a disaster-in-waiting for Israel. Right now, Israel is seen, almost universally, as the main obstacle to peace.
In fact, one of the absurd aspects of this peace process is that Israel is acting like the buyer when it should be acting like the seller. If peace is the “product,” then Israel owns it and should be selling it. Because it can control its army, it can deliver peace.
The first thing is not to expect the Palestinians to return anytime soon to the negotiating table. They won’t. They’ve got their eyes fixed on the U.N. and the world community, where they are treated like kings and never have to compromise. They want a lot more than what Israel could offer, and they think the U.N. will give it to them.
The only way for Israel to regain the initiative is with real, dramatic action.
Israel should present a plan based on Clinton parameters not because it believes the PA will sign it, but because Israel desperately needs to present a credible alternative to the unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state at the U.N., a diplomatic disaster that Ehud Barak said would bring a “tsunami” of further pressure and isolation on the Jewish state.
If Palestinians say no to this Clinton plan, they then automatically become the “major obstacle” to peace.
We now need to be more pro-active to find a solution that creates a situation in which we do not lose the big picture….
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sue
10:57 pm
Apr 14, 2011
the people of ISRAEL were established in the state of ISRAEL long before it was a state. the bible, which is thier FIRST law, plainly tells them NOT to divide the land. who are they to obey? YAWEH, or the UN ? in any country that has a god of any kind, they put his laws above anything else.why cant the ISRAELI’S do the same. i pity the person or persons that make them disobey GOD.i know that there are many of the posts that leave religion out of the discussion, but we have to know that this is also a very big part of thier identity.
i pray that they stick to thier guns or belief in the creator , instead of listening to others and caving in to thier wishes , when they have no control whatsoever about what happens over there.
GOD will help them to fight thier battles , just as he always has. they win over countries 3 or mor times thier size. how do you think this happens.? its because its a HOLY LAND,controlled by a HOLY GOD! i pray for the peace of JERUSALEM. shalom.
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Henry Federman
11:23 pm
Apr 14, 2011
Israel gave up the Sinai,pulled out of Lebanon and Gaza,and what did it get?Peace? Heck,no! A generation which ignore history has no past and no future! Consider the past and you shall know the future! Israel,remember the past!
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m
12:03 am
Apr 15, 2011
Henry, you are correct. Whenever Israel has given away land for peace all it gained them were bombs in return. Ppl need to realize that there is NOTHING Israel could do to gain peace. There is NOTHING they can broker, that their enemies want. The only thing that will make their “partners in peace” happy, is the destruction and entire dismantling of the state of Israel. What does it take to get this through the heads of so many moronic leftist bleeding heart liberals on this planet. I’m very weary from all this.
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Nathan Zafran
10:30 am
Apr 15, 2011
We have just learnt that Arab terrorists in Gaza have killed an Italian “pacifist”, Vittorio Arigoni. This particular character came on a flotilla to Gaza and has been there for over three years. In this period he has accused Israel of every possible crime under the sun, including racism, genocide, ethnic cleansing (from Gaza?), Nazism and every vile allegation derived from Arab propaganda. If this is their sign of gratitude toward him what can Israel expect if it is (G-d forbid) defeated? This doesn’t bother all those who are so keen to establish a “Palestinian” state with such sick inhabitants. In any case Arigoni got what he deserved for licking Arab boots (I was about to say something different but decorum forbids), and thus shouldn’t be mourned, for he was a depraved hypocrite, liar and antisemitic spreader of blood libel. GOOD RIDDANCE.
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m
4:57 pm
Apr 15, 2011
Thanks for the info. I’d call that KARMA. May he rest in hell.
I wonder what the “pacifists” AKA Jew haters and Israel deniers, will concoct to somehow blame this on Israel. Wait for it ….. wait for it.
After all, they are blaming the recent Itamar murders basically on the Jews themselves. I ask what could a 3 month old infant possibly do to merit being essentially beheaded in her crib? What type of twisted pieces of human waste can knife small children and their parents to death just because they happen to be Jews.
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Loretta
6:33 pm
Apr 15, 2011
Unfortunately, many of the blindly emotive supporters of the Palestinian cause will not be able to see the irony of his death. They will not understand that they are just being manipulated to support things that are inherently morally wrong.
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Jim Kvitfjell
7:00 pm
Apr 16, 2011
The philestine state will be established on the foundation of terrorism. When they have their state they will declare East-Jeursalem their capitol and even the westbank must be given away to satisfy their hunger for independence. I beleave Un will blow dust from old resolutions and help the palestine state in their stribe to get back East-Jerusalem. I’ve heard high rank politician saying that Israel must vithdraw back to borders from before 1967, and it seems to be a general idea that Israel does not have a legitime right to proclaim Jerusalem as their capitol.This can only mean that Jerusalem is a high priority issue. This is proven by the fact that many countries including my own (Norway) refuse to move their embasy to Jerusalem. What can come out of this if Un ar willing to admit palestinian this unrightful justice? If i understand this correkt, Israel are not willing to discuss any other status of Jerusalem than it beeing capitol of Israel. Is it a slightly possibility that Israel will give away any controll of Jerusalem including the temple mount to Palestine state jurisdiction? If not, on must consider the possibility that confrontation between Un (or Nato) and Israel is going to take place.
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m
7:28 pm
Apr 16, 2011
For some perverse reason, the leftists of the world have grabbed us all by our balls. Do they not understand that siding in the muslim world (that is what is going on) they are killing us all of, not just Israel. The same ppl the left sides with would just as soon cut the throats of those leftists (look at what just happened to Vittorio Arigoni – GOOD).
The UN is an arab pandering joke, we all know it. It should be folded up and thrown in the garbage where it belongs. It has been highjacked. A for NATO countries attacking Israel …. on what grounds?
We all need to take a good look at Europe, including Norway and especially Sweden, Holland, UK, France and Belgium (to name a few). They are finished because of pandering to islam and being afraid to call a spade a spade and being referred to as racists.
As for Israel, it was once a country MUCH bigger than it is now. Historically it encompassed much of the regions now referred to as Syria and Lebanon. ALL of what is called Jordan was once Jewish land. In an attempt to appease the arabs and make life easier for Britain, it was handed over to hashemite arabs. It’s ironic that even the name of that so called “arab country” is a JEWISH word that has zero meaning in arabic.
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Rosenhek Esther
7:31 pm
Apr 16, 2011
as an Israeli i wouldn’t mind giving up territories if i knew, for sure, that we would get peace in return! the big problem is that i KNOW we will get bombs in return.
Hamas (as well as other Palestinias leaders) teach their children to hate Israel and Israelis. their map of the State of Palestine is the WHOLE State of Israel. including EVERYWHERE, not only Jerusalem but also Tel Aviv, Haifa, etc….
So please can somebody tell me how can peace be possible if our neighbors hate us more than they love their own children??????
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m
7:48 pm
Apr 16, 2011
Esther, I am no expert and I do not live in Israel BUT, that is exactly what I think too. Whenever Israel gave up land, it ALWAYS got bombs in return. Maybe not with the Sinai; perhaps that is the exception.
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JAKE
9:48 pm
Apr 16, 2011
VELL,VELL, YUMPIN YIMMINIE CRICKET, AN HEPPA DEG
ALLOW ME PLEASE TO BRING YOU UP TO THE FACTS OF LIFE.
I got to know a lot of norwegians and each and every one of them that came from a certain district was a JEW HATER. If that rings a bell raise your hand or better still stick it up your arse. Jerusalem may be construed in the norske bible as you cite it but not in the OLD TESTAMENT or NEW one for that matter. Jerusalem and Greater Israel was given by GOD to the Jewish People not to the norwegians and surely not to the moronic arabs. One day, when you smarten up and allow that grey mass in your head, you do have that, no?, to do its job
then and only then will you be able to absorb something without it filtering down into your stinking bladder. I really wish i had more time to talk to you. As a doctor i find you an interesting case study. Write back as soon as you can, dearie, and i will be more than happy to meet with you and give you lessons.
Mannymac.com@mac.com
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Jim Kvitfjell
5:15 pm
Apr 17, 2011
Please read what i said before drawing sword against me! I said “unrightful justice” didnt i? That is my view and i do not side along vith those conspiring against Israel. My honest intention was to give a personal analysis of how things can happend if world leaders agree to vote in Un parlament over the issue to bring alive a Palestinian state. I am fully able to meassure the temperature on the publick opinion here in Norway, and what i see and hear worries me a lot. From beeing close friend and pro Israel, Norwegians seem to have change to the opposite. Why?? Biased media might be one explenation. Those still being warm friends and supporters of Israel are the christians, those outside the state shurch. You will find them among those at the christian embasy in Jerusalem. And you would of course find surch support in me. God bless Israel, and peace i pray for Jerusalem.
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Jim Kvitfjell
1:46 am
Apr 18, 2011
Now listen you who misinterp my intentions. My wiew is this: Why has the northatlantickthreathy organisation NATO, suddenly become a tool in the hand of UN? When was the charter shanged? Is it possible to think that UN when and if palesine state are beeing declared would demand that Israel withdraw back to borders from before 1967? Will this happen? I dont think so! Why? Jerusalem is forever the eternal capitol of Israel. One must remeber the words from the prophet Zechariah “Behold I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling un to all the people round about..” and further he say “and in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.” My analysis was just trying to messure the temperatur of the time we are living in.
I very often find my self in a situation defending Israel. At work among coworkers spewing out their hate against Israel. I defended Israels legal action against Mavi Marmara. I wrote debate forum in newsartickle and i heard people say terrible things like Hitler should have done them all. Antisemitism spewd out of their mouth. I defend Israel in the midst of hateress and all the lie beeing served in the newspicture. I know where i stand. So if you have a desire to lecture me i am listening, but please understand first that i consider my self a supporter of Israel when everybody else around me hate Israel. Do i then support the dying of inocent lives? No, ofcourse i dont! I defend Israels legal right to defend themself, and i feel very bad for the situation of those sivilians, women, shild, elders and all the bloodshed in your region. palestinian as well as israelites. It greeves my heart and it sadens me a lot. But what should Israel do then, when rocket missiles are beeing fired against their sivil population? Why does the international community alow this to happend?
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Mazin Qumsiyeh
9:14 am
Apr 19, 2011
I am not going to chat on politics. I just happened to pass by this site and I am always amused by websites like this. Talking to each other and patting each other on the back can “feel good” but is extremely dangerous. I urge those of you who really want to see what is really going on to just come visit us in Palestine. I give tours in the Bethlehem area to Jewish Israelis and to many others (on average some 5 groups every week for the past three years). Those who would really want to know should email me mazin@qumsiyeh.org and come visit. If you want, we can also arrange meetings with Palestinian farmers and Israeli settlers. We are also ready to discuss politics face to face but I prefer actually simply letting you see what is going on. Those who came found it life-changing in a very positive way. Even those who did not change their views, found the experience critical for their understanding and changed the way they approached their own activism for their cause (whether it was Zionism or mesianic Christianity etc).
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m
4:27 pm
Apr 19, 2011
This is a response to Mazin Qumsiyeh.
I find his comment nothing more than a blatant commercial for his tourist business. But since he brought it up, I am going to Israel next winter to volunteer with Sarel (an organization that volunteers to help out the IDF in non combatant roles). I’ll be posted on an IDF military base and will be able to see Israel, including those areas occupied by jordanians masquerading as “palis”.
Further, I have a good friend that DID go to see Bethlehem and told me that the differences between the Israelis and the palis was like night and day. The palis would not allow the Israeli tour leader (who was excellent) go in, so they had to switch to another bus. He said it was like going from heaven to hell. In addition, he found how the palis neglected the area was a shame (and very disturbing to a Christian). He was glad to get back to Israel proper. AND he is planning to join me in Sarel next winter.
I think Mazin Qumsiyeh’s comment should be removed.
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Loretta
7:08 pm
Apr 19, 2011
I would love to see the ancient Jewish city of Bethlehem, but at this time what I would love to see even more would be people like you rising up and demanding an end to the violent and hateful incitement against Israelis that is so embedded within your culture. Until that happens I would not support your economy.
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Larry the Infidel
10:39 am
Apr 19, 2011
Won’t happen. The muslims would have to actually support their citizens. They have never had to do anything of the sort and wouldn’t know where to start. They are getting fat on Israel’s and the world’s charity.
Suppose they did get a country of their own, how long would that government stand after it attacks Israel? It would fall or go underground and the status-quo would be maintained.
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Ben Adam Shemang
1:25 pm
Apr 25, 2011
If the UN does recognise PA as an independent nation, the two sides should come together and resolve their boundaries amicably. The war or wars have been there for too long. I’m sure each side needs peace, exchange ambassadors, have confidence on both sides.
But I fear for Jerusalem! Whose capital will it be?
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m
6:17 pm
Apr 25, 2011
The arabs were given a chance to have their state a long time ago. They were offered 99% of what they wanted and arafart, the aids ridden criminal bastard, flatly refused. The whole damn region was Jewish land historically. If the “palis” want a state of their own, let their brothers the Jordanians carve it out of Jordan (which incidentally was historic JEWISH LAND too).
And the reason there are wars is purely because of arabs. Do you think for a minute that 18 year old Jews enjoy military duty on weekends? They’d rather be at the beach drinking beer but they have to defend their country. The ONLY thing that will make peace is the utter destruction of Israel and the Dhimitude of Jews (and Christians). It matters little how much land Israel gave away or the UN would steal from Israel, the arabs will NEVER be happy. It’s not about land; it’s about a deep hatred and jealousy for Jews. It’s about a constant reminder and humiliation that Jews are winners and arabs are perpetual losers. AND worse of all, the arabs lose to a teeny tiny nation with a teeny tiny population. AND the entire world bears witness to that.
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Mazin Qumsiyeh, PhD
1:42 pm
Apr 25, 2011
Recognising Palestine?: The efforts of the Palestinian Authority to push for statehood are nothing more than an elaborate farce, writer says. http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/2011413152522296883.html
Instead, let us call for human rights which includes the rights of refugees and full equality. Racism has no place in our shared homeland.
PS I am author of a book called “Sharing the Land of Canaan” and have long welcomed visitors to my home in Beit Sahour from all backgrounds.
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Gary Sullivan
2:35 pm
Apr 25, 2011
There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass. But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today: Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. What about Islam’s holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem. Shocked? You should be. I know what you’re going to say: “Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam’s third most holy sites.” Not true. In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammed ever visited Jerusalem. So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Koran, the seventeenth Sura, entitled “The Night Journey”. It relates that in a dream or a vision Mohammed was carried by night ”from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs…” In the seventh century some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that’s as close as Islam’s connection with Jerusalem gets–myth, fantasy wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham. So once again no matter how many concessions Israel make it will never be enough & the fighting will carry on, until Israel no longer exists.
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Gary Sullivan
6:51 pm
Apr 25, 2011
Just calling back for a quick look to see what if anything had been posted & I see that someone has posted a thumbs down on what I posted a few hours ago. I find that really funny & the reason is, as I am sure any person who does there research will know. What I posted is historically correct, it is what happened between the UN & within the Balfour agreement. As a matter of fact Israel should have got a lot more land at the time, that land is the now Jordan. But the Arabs made such a fuss so Jordan was born, but people like Mr Arafat did not like that & so what you now see is the result. So anyone can disagree as much as they like but history is history & so a fact & nothing in this world will change that fact.
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m
7:28 pm
Apr 25, 2011
Gary, you hit the nail on the head and is the truth, in your posts.
It’s not just my opinion that the arabs will be happy ONLY when Israel ceases to exist, and every Jew on the planet is dead. And that is not the end of it. Then comes “Sunday” if you get my drift.
If we in the West do not cease our arab/muslim pandering political correct bullshit we are doomed. If we do not support Israel much more openly and strongly, it will only serve to bite us in the butt and I am not saying this to be pro Israel (although I am) but because it is NOT only about Israel and Jews.
As for the UN; it is an antiquated grossly corrupt entity used purely for arab pandering. It’s a fascist organization by definition. It is a joke but no laughing stock, and should quickly be overhauled OR, dismantled rolled up and tossed in the trash.
I sit here shaking my head at what is going on and how the “left” is killing us with political correctness. The left is so concerned about making the islamic world think we love them and if we would only be nice to them, they would like us back. The funny thing is they fail to remember that the “left” would be the very first to be persecuted. Truth is islam views an olive branch as a sign of weakness to be exploited and that is does very well thank you. But although islam is large, it is a weak and divided fascist ideology steeped in misogyny, hatred and death. It hates everything including itself. The only way it could hurt us is if WE enable it, and that is what the western political left is doing.
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Loretta
9:08 pm
Apr 25, 2011
Hi m. Actually I don’t completely follow what you mean by “then comes Sunday”. Could you explain it to me?
Thanks.
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