- The Palestinian refugee problem was a result of a war that was started by the Palestinian and Arab side in an attempt to wipe out the newborn State of Israel – a situation that prompted subsequent Israeli security measures.
- Similarly, Munayyer never mentions security or terrorism as possible reasons for the status of his wife and other Palestinians.
- Irrespective of the above, every country, including Israel, has the sovereign right to determine its own citizenship rules. After all, marriage does not automatically confer citizenship or residency rights to a non-citizen, which is also the case in the US and many other countries.
Munayyer doesn’t miss the opportunity to bring in the apartheid charge:
Tragically for Palestinians, Zionism requires the state to empower and maintain a Jewish majority even at the expense of its non-Jewish citizens, and the occupation of the West Bank is only one part of it. What exists today between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is therefore essentially one state, under Israeli control, where Palestinians have varying degrees of limited rights: 1.5 million are second-class citizens, and four million more are not citizens at all. If this is not apartheid, then whatever it is, it’s certainly not democracy.
It’s certainly not apartheid and the area that exists today between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is not one state. Munayyer may, instead, be alluding to his vision for the disappearance of Israel as a Jewish state in favor of a Palestinian one by virtue of simple demographics.
Further resources: The Apartheid State Libel
That this particular focus on the rights or otherwise of Israeli Arabs marrying residents of the Palestinian territories has appeared both in The Australian and New York Times in quick succession would indicate a concerted and organized effort by Palestinian activists to use this issue as a stick with which to beat Israel. That the New York Times has consented to be part of this campaign is not a surprise and is yet another indicator of the Gray Lady’s bias towards Israel.
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I have yet to hear of any Israeli Arab deciding to leave Israel and go to live in any of the freedom-
loving Arab states.
They love to rewrite history. They left Israel to fight against Israel and having lost many times
they decide to “return”. They were not then or now “refuges” .
If their own leaders had not stolen the UN monies from them they would be well off today.
Munayyer needs to move with his wife to that bastion of democracy, Jordan. Why not give up his despised Israeli citizenship since he finds it so offensive? This is just one more example of Israel bashing by the NY Times, that biased source of Pro-Palestinian anti-Israel reporting.
“I have yet to hear of any Israeli Arab deciding to leave Israel and go to live in any of the freedom-
loving Arab states.”
Precisely … lol.
The danger is for Israel and in particular the Jewish population. These palis fortunate to be born in the only democracy in the ME, continue to import their cousins from islamic shit holes, to marry them! More trash in Israel. God help them ( the Jews).
Not to mention that once one obtains an Israeli passport hey are free to fly anywhere in the Western world.
I’m an expatriate South African and a proud Zionist. Until Israel clearly declares the lines of it’s sovereign territory, the writer is correct. There is 1 state between the Jordan and the Mediterranean where different people have different citizenship rights. The Palestinian leadership has no incentive to accept a 2 state solution because they know that in time they will be a majority. Staus quo is great for those that want Israel to cease to exist. Conferring different voting rights on different people in this single state is, unfortunately simillar to what happened in South Africa. Restating the historical facts that led to the refugee problem is of little value to the problems on the ground. Netanyahu now has the power to establish the borders along lines that were proposed by Barak in 2000 and Olmert before his departure. This will be painful for some setlements/settlers that invariably will be on the wrong side of the line. But simply waiting for a Palestinian partner is futile. Those on the right that fantasize that Israel should be a single state as far as the Jordanian river are delusional.
Israel is technically at war with Syria with whom no peace treaty was signed. Iran has stated that Israel should be wiped of the map. The Palestinian autonomous Gaza has voted by an overwhelming majority for the party whose sole written and published objective is the destruction of Israel and the murder specifically of its Jewish inhabitants. That is in the Official Hamas Charter: Muslim citizens of Israel are to be spared this fate.
Mrs.Munayyer, of Lod, is to be spared the fate intended for her Jewish neighbors if the wishes of the majority of Arabs in the area are carried out she will be allowed to live. Be happy Mrs. Munayyer.
How stupid for the NYT to constantly criticize Israël (the only democracy in the Middle-East and one of the very few real democracies in the World…) and therefore reinforce Arab antagonism, intransigency and maximalism, so as to remove any possibility for Peace!
As Tony Blair said, Israël should be a model for the whole Middle-East, which is presently engulfed in (Arab…) violence, racism, fanaticism, backwardness and hatred.
The NYT has it 100% wrong! This paper is arrogant and shameful!
yes how true! people never take into account the fact that their words never seem to jive with their actions. where has the flocking from Israel to the Palestinian controlled territories been? or even to any other bastion of freedom in the middle east? yet the complaints keep coming! and the lies keep growing.
Its fascinating to me to hear the Arab prevarications, accusations and attempts to rewrite history from their own warped and fantastic (and often fanatic) perspectives. These very same people are offered nowhere near the same freedoms, benefits or rights anywhere else in the Middle East, as they receive in Israel. Not in any of the multitude of freedom loving and enlightened Arab lands.Yet they constantly cry that they are under an awful apartheid regime, in the only country in the Middle East that allows for their full freedoms of worship as well as equal rights of citizenship.
Only kilometers away, under “their own” regime, non-Muslims, and their holy sites, are routinely deprived of their most basic rights and persecuted or driven out…holy sites vandalized or destroyed. Can one imagine the outcry if the shoe were on the other foot?
In fact, is it not inconceivable that under their own administration, the act of an Arab selling a property to a Jew is punishable by death. Where is amnesty international on that matter? You won’t hear a word from them or from any other bleeding heart unless an Arab is sited for J-walking under his Israeli “oppressors”. Can one imagine the outcry if the roles were reversed? If a Jew selling land to an Arab was to be put to death? Or even ticketed for it?
It has become so typical of Muslims to take the “do as I say, not as I do” approach to politics…and even more amazing than that is that the world accepts it…and rewards it!
Israel is racist because it doesn’t allow for Arabs to terrorize people by stoning them, killing them or kidnapping them, and there-by depriving them of their rights to freedom of expression!!! Israel is racist because it doesn’t allow for Muslims to destroy the holy sites of other religions or to persecute people of other faiths (as is routine under Muslim rule). Israel is racist because it doesn’t allow for the Muslim faith to deprive others of their own rights (as is now being seen more and more in the west due to unabated political correctness to the point of nausea). Israel is apartheid because they take security measures to protect its citizens, both Arab as well as Jew, from acts of terror and those who perpetrate them. Israel is horrible because they institute the same laws as all other civilized societies in our world and doesn’t pander to ridiculous Muslim “sensitivities” as much as they would like it to (and they even do that…try muttering a prayer on the temple mount and see how swift justice is!).
For heaven’s sake, this is the hypocritcally pious NYT we’re talking about – the self-appointed ‘paper of record’ (what record?…a cracked 78?) – whose veneer of respectability and sage opinion is worn so thin any reader with half a brain can see right through to the anti-Semitic, anti-democratic agenda even in sunglasses on a moonless night. Balanced opinion and accurate reporting went out with the dodo – just look at the garbage the Grey Lady’s new Jerusalem correspondent, Jodi Roduren is spewing out…and she’s only been in the Mid East for, figuratively speaking, five minutes. American Jews, with a kernel of understanding for Israel’s plight, ought to vote with their pocketbooks and read a newspaper that doesn’t fall like an love-lorn teenager for every trick a Palestinian plays on them. Ditto those other notorious Zion haters/baiter in the UK, The Guardian,Independent and the holier-than-thou BBC. There’s a whole host of honest, unbiased, balanced opinion out there, so why allow yourself to be spat in the eye by the NYT or any of its camp-followers. Get real and BDS them.
We are not told why this couple are separated- However If and for what ever reason the Israeli authorities will not let her join him in Israel. Then surely LOVE and family being a greater bond than nationality- Why does he not move to her home and take renounce his Israeli citizenship-
I know I would.
By these absurd criteria, that would make the USA an apartheid state and pretty much every country in the West. If that’s what the NYT thinks, I suggest that they are really a fifth column in the service of terrorist organizations hiding under the protection of the First Amendment. They deserve to be treated with contempt. Do not buy this rag and tell their advertisers you will cease doing business with them if they continue to support the NYT.
He should leave Israel and join his wife in Ramallah or Amman. Let them both fly in through Jordan.
One has to wonder whether anyone at the NYT, other than Thomas Friedman – with his endless bias against Israel arising from his hatred of Ariel Sharon (read From Beirut to Jerusalem) – has ever even set foot in Israel.
There are many apartheid states in the Middle East but Israel isn’t one of them. Walk the streets of Jerusalem and you’ll see people from all parts of the world who have found refuge in Israel as well as thousands of Muslims enjoying the same freedoms as everyone else.
As another ex South Africa, Tom, I can tell you that your entire post is based on a huge error. The demographics are simply not what you think they are. The Palestinians have vastly overstated their numbers, in an obvious – and unfortunately, highly successful – attempt to terrify the Israelis. Real demographic studies have shown that that there are far fewer Palestinians than claimed. At the same time, the Israeli birth rate is trending higher than the Arab birth rate, so even looking to the future, the demographic “threat” simply does not exist.
Of course there’s something else you ignore. It takes two to make peace, and Israel has made all the concessions she can realistically make. It’s Abbas who refuses to come to the table and who continues to make completely unrealistic demands, like the bogus Palestinian “right of return”.
As for whether or not Netanyahu can delineate borders for Israel, you can bet that he isn’t going to do anything that even closely resembles the Gaza pull out. We all know how that turned out.
West Bank is paradise compared to rights of Palestinians in Lebanon,Syria and the Gulf states. (remember Kuwait after the Gulf War?) The address for Paestinian grievances is the Palestinina authority, not Israel
I am a South African living in South Africa. I believe that G-d has already deliniated the borders of Israel. There will not be a “One state solution”. Nor will there be a Two state solution. There will be Israel. Of course I’m another one of those religious nutters who just believes everything. Even promises from G-d.
Cancel your subscription to the Times! Biased news is garbage news!
Once again, commenters are ignoring the issue — the issue here is a specific op-ed. So the comments of the three South Africans are pointless because they are not talking about the op-ed. Stick to the subject, guys.
Ester refers to pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel reporting. First of all, this is not reporting at all — it is an op-ed article. Six months in Journalism 101 for you. As to pro-Palestinian — well, yes, the author is a Palestinian — what, do you think that he is going to write a pro-Israeli article? Tell you what, Ester, the author will write a pro-Israel article when you write a pro-Palestinian article for Al-Fajr!
Ditto for Barbara Stone and jmsika.
it is time to publicize and promote the charades of the palistinian causes
and there is one authoratative book printed many years ago-
BattleGround- facts and fantasy in Palestine- by Samuel Katz- (Steimatzky-1985)
the first 40 pages clearly demonstrate how the numbers have been so effectively
fudged and the lies continue to hatch to this day. It is so embarassingly obvious, the entire issue is the big hoax of the last century- perpetuated by the UN and created by the friendly as pitbull brits who created this nightmare from the start.
people can continue to be dopes and dupes or properly informed.
if this book has been out of print, someone should bring it back onto the shelves of civilization.
Stop the palistinian farce and self-imposed tragedy. Israel has to be the first to get out of its
self-imposed leftist inspired guilt trip mode as well.
Cancel suvscription of NYT. Better, yet boycott the newspaper!!!
The problem, David, is that the NYT, the Guardian, etc…will only publish Israël-haters’ opinions.
They always manage to find one, a “palestinian” “victim”(like this Munayyer, etc…), a leftist-utopian-pompous-dogmatic (Friedman & cie..) or a self-hating jew who wants to lecture on morals (Chomsky, Finkelstein & all..).
This is on purpose because they are not practicing journalism at all (i.e. information on the real world and real issues for people’s lives) but instead ideological propaganda according to their prejudiced dogmas.
NYT is a filthy rag which is confusing and distorting issues for the worse!
The New York Post is a more honest paper, by far!
Contrary to what feel-good liberals and post-Zionists believe, the only way that Israel can guarantee that it remains a Jewish country is to make sure that non-Jewish citizens can never outvote Jewish citizens. If that means disenfranchising them when it comes to national elections or limiting them to some kind of quota, so be it.
This is the one absolute maxim that defines Israel.
A pure republic is incompatible with keeping Israel Jewish when secular Jewish Israelis don’t believe in Zionism and the idea of a Jewish homeland.
Tom,
If a “palestinian” state is created anytime soon, with the total removal of Israeli forces, while the Arabs keep teaching hatred of the jews to their kids, this 22nd arab state will become immediately a launching ground for rockets against Tel Aviv, Natanya, Ben Gurion airport, etc…just like what happened in Gaza after the Israelis left…
The Israelis would have to strike back and there would be a blood bath on both sides..
The present Israeli government is right to demand that the “palestinians” stop their hateful anti-jewish incitment as a very first step to anything. He is protecting the Israelis and the Palestinians by the same token.
That is what really matters and not the generous offers made years ago by Barak and whoever else, and hatefully rejected by the Arabs.
Do you understand that?
Curious, who reads the New York Times?
Does anyone know what The Jerusalem Fund/Palestine Center is? They publish the Hamas Charter on their website, with those charming passages about the need to kill all Jews. They also released when Settlers Attack, with its assertion of a mathematically interesting 253% or so rise in settler violence against Palestinians. I couldn’t find actual incidents the figure was based on. That was also written by Munayyer.
It’s time to start pinning the blame on the one individual responsible for the NYT editorial page- it’s editor- Andrew Rosenthal.
A too long letter to NYT editor in response
Munayyer paints a rather dismal picture of Israel finally accusing it of being an apartheid or an undemocratic state, but his polemic is based on a confused and selective misreading of the facts and history. For example, much of his argument centers on Rabin’s memoir and the censured excerpt describing the removal of residents of Lod, which he also refers to as Lydda, and Ramle. Selectively, he fails to mention the circumstances of their removal. Both towns harbored among them substantial armed combatants who were firing on the Israeli soldiers. Furthermore, this all occurred during the 1948 Israeli war of independence what the Palestinians call the Nakba. He mentions the Nakba but doesn’t have the honesty to elaborate on what it would have meant for the Jews if instead of a Nakba the Arabs would have had a victory in 1948. In 1948 the Israelis accepted the UN partition of the British Mandate and had before 1948 even proposed that there be a Jewish sub-state within a Palestinian state. Unlike the Israelis, the Palestinians did not accept the UN partition of the British Mandate. Instead the combined military might of the neighboring Arab countries and many of the Palestinians in the Mandate area declared and waged a war of annihilation against Israel with the expressed intent of driving the Jews into the sea. Israel responded to the aggression and part of this response was the Lod and Ramle affair. Should the Israelis in the heat of a struggle to survive, against what looked like overwhelming forces, have left armed enemy combatants behind their lines? As regrettable as Israel’s actions may or may not have been it pales in comparison to what the Palestinians and their allies would have done had they prevailed.
He also makes the argument personal stating that “The laws conspire to separate” his wife a resident of the PLO administered area and himself an Israeli citizen. He travels via the same roads and arrives at the same airport as any other Israeli citizen and she as a resident of a PLO administered area is prohibited from the same means of travel. Contrary to what he claims these security laws were not put into place to separate him from his wife but instead were put into place for reasons of security to suppress the Palestinian killings of Israeli citizens both Muslim, Christian and Jewish.
No doubt there is discrimination in Israel. But is it worse or unlike other states in the world? Contrary to what Munayyer alleges some discrimination does not make a country undemocratic. If it did there would not be a country that could call itself democratic. The link in the article purporting to show more than 35 discriminatory laws directs the reader to a survey of alleged discriminatory incidents not laws.
It is also worth pointing out that all the countries in the Middle East including Hamas and the PLO have religious mandates built into their national charters.
Munayyer finally comes to rest on a solution that is no solution, for the problems he perceives, one state instead of two. This along with the apartheid meme is now the talking point of the Palestinians and their supporters. Aside from all the other impracticabilities, a one state solution would mean packing warring peoples into the same country. This is exactly what the British did in their colonial empire and this tactic although in the short term beneficial for British rule was a disaster for the inhabitants of the forced combinations. No reasonable person could think that a similar disaster would not befall a forced combination such as Munayyer suggests.
While I read and agree with the vast majority of what Honest Reporting includes in its e-newsletters, I think HR has not handled this issue well.
First, op-eds are just that – opinion pieces that appear on an editorial page. Unless Munayyer has a record as an enemy of Israel or has supported terrorists over, there is no reason that he should not have the right to submit his opinion.
Second, he has been very effective in putting the issue in personal terms and that’s something that readers/ people easily relate to. If it is inaccurate, that’s what Letters to the Editor are for.
Finally, I find the HR rebuttal of Mr. Munayyer’s points to be labored, lengthy and legalistic. That’s not to say that they’re inaccurate only that I believe readers find them boring and unpersuasive.
So the challenge then becomes of how to distill a coherent, persuasive response to Munnayer. I’m not close enough to the situation to offer a better response but I would suggest simple, persuasive, and something that people can relate to.
Mr Munayyer cannot have it all. Since Munayyer identifies himself as a “Palestinian” – not as an Israeli, although in fact he is an Israeli citizen who enjoys all benefits afforded to all Israelis – Jews, Arabs, Muslims, Christians – he should join his Palestinian wife and move to live with her in the Palestinian Territory happily ever after, where he, his wife and future children would be proud and loyal Palestinian citizens, speak their own national Arabic language etc.
And Israel is for Israelis who are proud of their Hebrew language, their laws and national identity. Just like Americans are proud of their identity as Americans and English is their national language..
With the privileges of citizenship also come responsibilities, Mr Munayyer. I don’t know of any country where citizenship is granted only by virtue of marrying a person living in that country.
Why should Israel, or for that matter any country, allows into their country anyone who is hostile to that country and actively seeking for it’s destruction with the declared aim of replacing it with the Greater State of Islamic Palestine? They are not foolish or stupid!
To the best of my knowledge and it is accurate, a certain Jill Abramson an Episcopalian mainline protestant church adherent quasi-antisemite is the editor of the opinion page at this institutionally anti-Israeli fascist trash. Complain to this American antisemite!
Yes indeed- Why should any country allow anyone who is hostile to it be allowed to stay.
This seems to be the “In Thing to do” in Western type democracies- In the UK the US-
We have this masochistic attitude of appeasing those that wish to destroy us.
In the UK organizations sush as (To much Israeli wine!) al-Kalifa, Hizb ut-Taria even banned in Jordan is allowed to operate especially in universities.
In the US C.A.I.R given charity status. Just to name one or two.
Unfortunately this all derives from the “Liberal Left Wing” pseudo humanists-who peculiarly align them self with the Islamic Jihadi whos ideology is diametrically opposite to theirs.
Work it out!
Which people?
I have tried conversing with the likes of Mr Munayyer-
They will not listen , they shout you down. And should you shout louder- they walk away-
How many times on HR chats do we see an anti-Zionist come on and prattle- The minute you ask him questions or put points to which he has no response- He disappears.
Only to return much later and start his rants again.
First he admits his wife is an “enemy alien” to use British jargon so they should be grateful they have been allowed to set up house together in Israel in a time of Arab war on Israel.
Second just try a look throught the Indian Reservation laws of the US and the Australian treatment of the Aborigines.
Third if he is complaining about Israel self-determining itself as a Jewish majority and keeping things that way, why is he so keen to establish a Palestine Arab majority over Israel ? An Arab state that would self-admittedly get rid of all Jews and other kaffirs to create an Arab State in which Islam is the religious establishment – sauce for goose is sauce for gander.
Your last sentence should read “Gray Lady’s bias AGAINST Israel”
theres a glaring error in this report Israel owns the west bank: this man says
QUOTE just to cross into Israel and the West Bank.
the world needs to know truth, the west bank is Israel, it is not a separate entity as this man says.
Now! Now! Robert! Judea and Samaria are indeed parts of the historic Land of Israel and sites of the Biblical monarchies but as things are currently the area is “disputed” and recognised internationally as PA and only (partly) occupied by Israel.
If we do not keep to the current hypocrisies then Mrs M is on a political flying carpet to citizens’ rights in Israel which we do not need as she and hubby drip poison in their children’s ears. One day when there is a clear peace treaty this sort of double talk : now we are in as unfairly treated Israelis; now we are not as independent state seeking PA Arabs will be vapourised.
“PA Arabs will be vaporized”
How right you are. And so they should be. (my warm and fizzy side coming out).
One day hopefully ALL arabs not just the bottom feeders in Judea and Shomron will be vaporized. A cleansed world, not just ME. Yeah!
PS There is no such thing as a palistinian. Even the word is a made up Roman term.And even if there was a “pali” ppl, the Jews have the land now …. period. Lands shift over time, ownership shifts. BUT, Israel (including the Jewish heartland of Judea and Shomron) was MUCH bigger originally. The Jewish land was also all of what we call Jordan (A HEBREW NAME), much of syria, Lebanon and of course the tiny strip the cowardly Brits gave back to the Jews (after sending most back to Europe to be murdered in the Holocaust, and giving away 80% of what they initially promised tot he Jews, to hashemnite a-rab camel jockeys).
What Israel should do is send every filthy pali (who are simply egyptian and arab interlopers …. look at their names) back tot he shit holes that are their origins.
An interesting vid I watched today 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT23HGJYcl8&feature=g-all-lik
I think we forget that these people were originally refugees- and Israel unlike her neighbours , did not drive them out into Egypt and Jordan after the 67 war. I recall how King Hussein drove Arafat and his hordes out of Jordan into Lebanon killing around 20000 of them in the process. Barely an eyebrow was raised.
However , Israel being her worst enemy gave away Gaza- The result of that being clearly visible. And to hoot recogonised the Palestinian Authority.
So its no good harping on what if- The situation is now- Consider Gaza another country-wash your hands of it and close the borders- Let them use Egypt as a border and their finance or create their own-
Eventually the West Bank will have to be split but until one gets a firm peace treaty and a method of controlling that peace-Unlike the UN observers on the Lebanese border who are useless-
Keep up the delaying tactics and squeeze in as many settlements as possible.
Lets face it it matters not which course of action Israel takes- they are still going to be “Painted” the villain , as long as the world needs OIL!.
Operative phrase, “so long as the World needs oil;” so do not rile the World and fight patiently and craftily wait till first the Arabs slip on their own mess as in 48 and 67 or till the World can ignore this phantom if Israel gives it the push; but in the meantime do not gum up the argument with foul language as it obscures or distracts from the argument.
Meanwhile “google” for the best and cheap enough potential system for California, Israel and Australia to make enough electricity and drinking water to do without the Arab oil and so put them o a diet for want of petro dollars to buy graiin with.
Leviathan Gas Field, and Interior Oil Shales are going to be geopolitically interesting and possibly world changing. They should be. Not only will Israel be an energy independent little jewel in a sea of islamic cesspools, but she will be an exporter :)))
I just love Israel and the ppl living there and defending the nation, ESPECIALLY those that live in the Jewish heartland of Judea and Shomron.
First the recommended “google” escaped my last. Try: ZASLAVSKY power tower Israel21c. Israel could and should use its gas wealth to build these power towers for after the gas era.
Second the Leviathan and other gas fields will give Israel undoubted energy and financial independence and so extend her political independence; but nobody can be independent of he planet as the US found the hard way at Pearl Harbour, then the Soviet Sputnik first.
So Israel must be politically astute and cautious even when the Arab oil binge is over. As in other periods of great power influence abbility to be independent at home or n one’s doorstep does not warrant equality in the top league ad eve there on precedent willd moves are risky.
“So Israel must be politically astute and cautious even when the Arab oil binge is over. As in other periods of great power influence abbility to be independent at home or n one’s doorstep does not warrant equality in the top league ad eve there on precedent willd moves are risky.”
I agree, and I think Israel will continue to be a light for all nations, and continue to help others as it does now, and will not take advantage should ISRAEL be in the driver’s seat so to speak. That is simply not their way, not the way of Jewish people.
Of course they will continue to be vilified by leftist imbeciles regardless what they do or don’t do.
I wouldn’t be shocked if the Times gives Assad his own editorial page.
I am a liberal politically but I believe in the right, legally, historically, and ethically for Israel to exist. I cannot understand the complaints about Israel by the “superliberals”. To call Israel an apartheit state when Jews, Christians, and Muslims can live together without government interference.
Where are the cries about the “Islamic Republic of Iran” or “The Islamic Republic of Pakistan”or the dozens of other Islamic theocracies? Any non-muslim risks his life and limb just walking the streets there. Churches are burnt, synagogues razed, non-muslims are really second or third class citizens if they are not ousted from the country.
One would expect that these “superliberals” would have more “superintellectual” thinking. It is obvious that thoughtless emotions are driving their actions.
It is not only “leftist imbeciles ” who vilify Israel. The Moslem Brothers are classic rightwing clerical authoritarians who spent the 1789 to 1945 in Catholic, Russian Orthodox and Lutheran guise objecting to the equalities and opportunities of the Enlightenment as set out by the French and American revolutionaries and supporting Tsars ad Kaisers in rigid authoritarianism.
They changed when the Soviet victory of 1945 dismantled what was left of feudal landlordism, establishments of religion, and non-Soviet dictatorship so finally disgusting EVERYbody with ALL dictatorship. At that point even the Pope (the diplomatic cold fish Pius XII) suddenly felt he had to support democracy and freedom of religion if nothing else to please his US constituency.
The Catholic Church has made a grand effort to clean up its act and mend fences since Vatican II but the Orthodox Eastern churches have not – especially those in the Arab World and are now paying for it in the Arab [Moslem Bros] Spring. Meanwhile the Protestant churches have been the mixed bag they are in all Church matters and US Presbyterians (Calvinists) and UK Methodists have sucked up to Arab tear jerking as have quite a few middle of the road, “useful idiots”.
Martin, being liberal these days is not the same as years gone by. It has been highjacked by leftists and absolute lunatic extremists. Perhaps it’s time for you to rethink and switch teams.
I am liberal in some of my ways of thinking, SMALL CASE liberal, However I a Conservative politically speaking. I’m in Canada though so we can’t necessarily compare our 2 countries.
Liberal these days equates to LEFTIST and they are killing the collective West with their insane pandering and pandering to islam which is nothing more than a Fascist ideology and a misogynistic death cult of hatred and violence.
I sure hope for everyones drake that you guys kick obama to the curb. He is an organ grinder monkey and has amounted to nothing but the biggest failed experiment in affirmative action. And when it comes to Israel he is dysfunctional. He gives with one hand and takes with another. It’s like a woman beater who strokes the cheek of his victim but periodically slaps her. You never know when the slap is coming and cannot trust him.
My problem with your perception- That while the extreme right is anti-Semitic- It at this times prioritises its hate of Muslims.
The extreme right Muslim (As in the Muslim Brotherhood) is now aligned with the extreme Left-
Even though their ideologies are diametrically opposed-
Reason- simple- Its the anti capitalistic sentiment where as Israel is favoured by the US so the Left abhors the US therefore it attaches itself to those that call the US Satan and Israel little Satan.
I’VE STRUGGLED WITH THIS QUESTION FOR A LONG TIME….Being a life long resident of Los Angeles and Jewish…I’ve always considered New York as a “Jewish City”, and the NY Times a Jewish owned (or used to be) newspaper publishing in a “Jewish City”…..SOOOOOO How can they constantly exhibit animosity towards Israel????
SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME!!!!
Simple-
At one time here in the UK- The BBC was so pro-Israel its hard to believe-
The infamous Guardian used to be the Manchester Guardian and likewise pro-Israel-
Then under every ones noses but no one saw it coming- The journalists changed-
The “Manchester” disappeared- The political Ed became a guy named Michael White- of the extreme left- The BBC likewise. Hence because capitalistic USA was the supporter of Israel-
The rot set in-
Go check out the NYT journalists and I bet they are as L.W. as Michael More. And all the other “Holier than thou” pseudo humanists. And these guys have gone to bed with the Islamists- even though their ideologies are diametrically opposed.
As I stated the other day…..
“THE GRAY LADY” has become “THE RED PROSTITUTE”
Very few people with a brain, read the NYT. The Progressives
remain clueless and absorb this opinionated paper.
The NYT has been losing their readership at a rapid rate
and the advertisements continue to decline.
I had read the NYT from my College Days in 1957 until
Jimmy Carter in the late 70’s, when I realized that opinions were being
written instead of facts.
An Anti-Israel and Anti-Capitalism paper should be printed
in Iran, NOT in N.Y.C.
The NYT was never a Zionist paper.
Originally it was 19th century liberal as befitted the German Reform origins of its owners.
The change about Israel of the Manchester Guardian, NYT and other left of centre media was not prime motivated by enmity to the US for which there are enough excuses: Korea, VNam…. The big change was the Begin government’s Greater Israel policy. This was against Wilsonian self-determination of the West Bank and Gaza Arabs; political practicality for lack of Israeli numbers; broke with the Yishuv/Israeli partition policy since 1937 that clothed Israel in reasonability and morality to outsiders. 1967-77 border settlement could pass ff as security, and did.
The NYT WAS a Jewish Paper….
Liberal or Conservative….I don’t give a DAMN!!! If you’re Anti-Israel your just a an inch away from being an Anti-Semite. You can’t separate the Jews of today from Israel….it has become the Motherland!!! I’m a BORN Liberal Democrat and our family has always been PRO Israel….I Cringe when the so called Liberals are blamed for being anti Israel & pro palestinian. It’s the underdog thing …it’s natural to root for poor them…however 6 Million Jews against 200 million arabs ….who’s the underdog???
the Damn palestinian arabs didn’t even exist until the mid 60’s so Who Owns What Land and took It From Whom!!!!
Join the club of those disappointed by the changes of the times we live through.
Chew the carpet on this one: Joe Stalin – admittedly to do down the Brtish in the Middle East – supported partition and allowed the Czechs to send Spits and infantry weapons to the nascent Israel fighting for its life in 1948.
We have reached a situation where most modern Conservatives would be classed as raving revolutionaries by pre-1914 standards and a lot of the Left have abandoned the proletariat as soft to support the Third World led by medieval Moslem clericalists willing to smash the industrialised World – as if that would improve it or still be able to feed 4X the population of 1950 !!!.
LISTEN….back in those days I would have accepted the support of the fuhrer if it would have helped………AND good old Joey….he loved the Jews soooo much that a few years later he was plotting to send them all to the gulag….we were actually saved by the interference of the Angel of Death….HIS!!!!
The only thing the arabs have contributed to modern civilization that I can see is death and destruction….eventually it will probably lead to theirs!!!
Stormin:
“The only thing the arabs have contributed to modern civilization that I can see is death and destruction”
Yes, well, if there was a Nobel categories for expertise in suicide bombs, misogyny, revisionist history or terrorism techniques; I’m sure the arab world would have plenty of prize winners.
See, again proof we discriminate against the arab world.
The Arabs who call themselves “Palestinian” have stolen Jewish identity. On the origin of the names “Palestine” and “Palestinian:” In 135 A.D. the Roman Emperor Hadrian, after defeating the last Jewish rebellion under Bar Kochba, changed the name of Judea to “Palestina” in order to eradicate all memory of Judea and the Jews-he also outlawed Judaism and changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, Aelius being his gens name. From that time on, “Palestine” was synonymous with “land of the Jews” and “Palestinian” with “Jew.” That is why Great Britain was awarded the “Palestine Mandate” after World War I, to be the “homeland of the Jews.”Calling Arabs (non-Jews) “Palestinian” with phony h
(continued) ”Calling Arabs (non-Jews) “Palestinian” with phony history and propaganda are effects of the founding of the “Palestine Liberation Organization” (P.L.O.) by Gamel Nasser, ruler of Egypt, and the Soviet Union in Cairo in 1964.
It is regretable that Arabs are unable to distinguish the truth from untruth. they even believe their own lies. I did not say that but the following by Prof
Philip Khuri Hitti Professor Semitics Columbia University did
“The admitted capacity of the Arabs to manufacture facts, to deceive themselves into accepting them and to work themselves up to a public passion over what is in fact a non existent emotion. ‘What the Arabs believe even if untrue has the same influence over them as if it were true” “
Or JACKO ….as a famous Israeli once said….”they never missed a opportunity to miss an opportunity!!!!”
….and thereby hangs the tale!!!!
“they never missed a opportunity to miss an opportunity!!!!””
And that holds true to this day.
Why should the NY times be any different from any other city rag trying to peddle it’s wares?
If the oped is anti Israel, for whatever reason and by whom ever the author, then that’s news, indesputible truth by all accounts. Why? Because the abysmal ignorance of the authors and their audiences creates this ignorant demand to sell their papers and the more distorted the reporting the more acceptable the distorted news bias is received by the reading public. Why? It’s all a matter of demographics! Who is reading and enjoying this garbage and even worse, who is writing it? Take note of the particular author of this op-ed and his background and origins. Pathetic but real!